Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #17

[Bohemian]

I'm finding it hard to solve this crime without all the facts. Might flick Jubes a text to ask for the files.

My opinion changes regularly on what happened, and I find all the posts very helpful. It must be torture to the families not knowing.

BS had a pawn shop probably loaded with old mobile phones. Would be easy to set one up on wifi and use internet messages to contact others without a trace (no SIM card needed, use a FB alias).

Just a brain dump while I'm on the train. Thinking of WT always. ☔️

Clever thinking 99!

(btw Give Jubes my number &#9829

 

[Acamelia]

I saw that too, Acamelia. Like everything on social media it could be 100% BS (and I don't mean Spedding).




I think the police would have access to all information. The suppression orders apply to information in the media, not information given to police. I doubt that we as the general public really need to know anything outside of what we already know. We all know what WT looks like - I'd say he's the most recognisable missing person in Australia right now - he's probably got a better chance than any other missing person of being found based on that alone. Everything else is good for curiosity value alone. If the police really need our help they'll ask for something specific (e.g. like identifying the cars)

lol...crackbook is full of BS these days

Geez, I hope people aren't jacking around on these LE pages, they should get pulled up for it

 

[Bohemian]

Wasn't the pawn shop already closed down though?

Doesn't mean there wasn't 'valuable' leftover stock. Remember his visit to the 'warehouse' not so long ago?

 

[frogwell]

I saw that too, Acamelia. Like everything on social media it could be 100% BS (and I don't mean Spedding).




I think the police would have access to all information. The suppression orders apply to information in the media, not information given to police. I doubt that we as the general public really need to know anything outside of what we already know. We all know what WT looks like - I'd say he's the most recognisable missing person in Australia right now - he's probably got a better chance than any other missing person of being found based on that alone. Everything else is good for curiosity value alone. If the police really need our help they'll ask for something specific (e.g. like identifying the cars)

Respectfully disagree. Although police have sought help for specific information they have asked for any information that people might think is relevant to this case. I don't agree that people are frustrated by the suppression orders only because they can't sate their curiosity. We do not know fully what has been suppressed, therefore we do not know if anything relevant to the investigation is being suppressed. I am also under the impression that the MSM is actually reporting lies. The lying seems to have been adopted as a way to circumvent having to explain to the public that suppression orders are in place. I see the intention as good as MSM want to keep the story alive and yet they have crossed a line as far as ethics of their profession go. I think that is a dangerous precedent as they are compromising the integrity of their profession. IMO

 

[Karo]

I thought the warehouse visit was part of his customer list that day, he wasn't wealthy by any means and would be unlikely to keep any pawn stock in a warehouse, imo.

Doesn't mean there wasn't 'valuable' leftover stock. Remember his visit to the 'warehouse' not so long ago?

 

[blefuscu]

No police force ever released ALL the information they have on a case. I think NSW police are doing everything they can to find William. I've said from the start that they have only ever released to the public what they want the public to know and have kept a very tight grip on the media. It was said from the start that certain elements of the case couldn't be released because William and his sister are fostered.

Showing the family's photos won't do anything. Whoever took William will know they are distraught and desperate to have him back. A photo isn't necessary and could put his sister at risk. Children aren't taken from their birth parents for no reason. It could be that police want to ensure she is safe too.

I have faith in the NSW police investigating this case. They are cracking a paedophile ring that might have gone unpunished had William not disappeared, and I never give up hope that William will be found one day

 

[crabstick]

If I lived remotely close to Kendal I would be putting up some well designed posters with the 60 minutes identkit of the 2 cars on them. Maybe at the cafe etc.
I just dont think television has the same public penertration it once had. Sure, those that want to watch it will. But many people dont watch general news media.
There is so many channels these days.
At the end the day someone must have seen those two cars.
Posters around town may encourage someone to come forward who initially didnt want to be involved.

 

[Bohemian]

I thought the warehouse visit was part of his customer list that day, he wasn't wealthy by any means and would be unlikely to keep any pawn stock in a warehouse, imo.

I am not talking about the day William went missing but on the day of the Long Point Drive search by LE. Links to MSM have been posted ad nauseum on this thread about that day. It's not known why he visited the warehouse and I didn't say old stock from the pawn shop was stored there. My reply was an exercise in logic or lateral thinking.

Here's another one for you. Why have a mattress in the room above your pawn shop?

 

[crabstick]

You need a sim to transfer data via wifi? If you dont it probably puts your NIC or MAC address in the metadata.
I would have thought any transmission that day would have been triangulated although remember FD went into town because mobile data and wifi was not available for skype transmission.
Im sure data records would have been kept if someone had used a messaging service.
Why would you have loads of mobile phones if you had no cash? Thats a lot of ongoing outlay in hope for a return?
Asset rich cash poor by the sound of it. Whats the rent on a warehouse each week? Sounds like a bit of vertical integration, unfortunately another attribute to crime away from the house.

Did she have stock Richie?

BS had a pawn shop probably loaded with old mobile phones. Would be easy to set one up on wifi and use internet messages to contact others without a trace (no SIM card needed, use a FB alias).
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[tracecomp]

BBM.

I hope you don't mind me commenting on your reply to another poster.

I absolutely agree with you, Ms Dee.

This is the fear I hold; that NSW Police have had a difficult battle releasing relevant information to the public, in a timely manner through MSM, due to restrictions placed upon them by another government department. In any case, Strikeforce Rosann, under DI Jubelin, is more than capable of doing whatever it takes to find William. If they, William's family, or the NSW Coroner, have decided that certain information needs to be suppressed from the media; without pressure from any other 'stakeholder', then all well and good.

When this is all done and dusted; whatever the outcome for little William and his loved ones, I too would want an inquiry into what occurred after the fact in regard to the machinations of Government and non-Government organisations; other than LE. William's abduction, in the mere fact he was a fostered child, is unprecedented and as a NSW constituent, I want to know if it was handled properly by those organisations; if not, why not; and the lessons that can learned if, God forbid, there is another case like William's in the future.

If it is found that being a foster child and because of that the implications of a suppression order issued by a Govt Department impeded the police investigation and prevented catching the "low life" who took William then fostered children in Australia may become the primary targets of pedofiles. The suppression orders preventing family and media giving information give pedofiles a "head start" by suppressing the release of the family and childs name etc. A review/inquiry is a must in my opinion.

 

[Eloise]

I am also under the impression that the MSM is actually reporting lies. The lying seems to have been adopted as a way to circumvent having to explain to the public that suppression orders are in place. I see the intention as good as MSM want to keep the story alive and yet they have crossed a line as far as ethics of their profession go. I think that is a dangerous precedent as they are compromising the integrity of their profession. IMO

Well, one person on that ABC report into women and crime claimed the MSM are printing lies.
How can any of us confirm the truth of that? Unless we have MSM journalists in our midst.

If they ARE printing lies, then they're just further muddying the reputation of their profession which is already generally on the level of politicians and used-car salesmen.

 

[Eloise]

You need a sim to transfer data via wifi? If you dont it probably puts your NIC or MAC address in the metadata.

You do not. We use old phones with no SIM cards for the kids to play with, just have them connected to wifi. You can still use a program like Hangouts to make calls.
You are correct about the MAC address.

 

[inkpink]

When a child is fostered is it usual for the child to call the foster parents Mummy and Daddy?

I would have thought so with adoption but not necessarily with fostering. I think of fostering as a temporary arrangement.

Not asking for any particular reason, just curious.

 

[crabstick]

Is this the same media involved in phone tapping here? Lets not trust media taking the moral high ground. The thing to watch with media is what they dont print mostly to cause a public argument which sells newspapers.

Wasnt it last year prominent morning breakfast show hosts dragged into court for criminal actions?

A judge must make a decision on a suppression order. Criminals cant file for suppression of their name in a newspaper. There must be good reason although not always the real intention of the suppression.

I have enough faith Joobylin will work slowly and metciously through this to get the best outcome for all of us, not just the media.

Looking forward to more developments as it goes a little quiet. Could mean it ends with a big bang.
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Well, one person on that ABC report into women and crime claimed the MSM are printing lies.
How can any of us confirm the truth of that? Unless we have MSM journalists in our midst.

If they ARE printing lies, then they're just further muddying the reputation of their profession which is already generally on the level of politicians and used-car salesmen.

 

[sosocurious]

When a child is fostered is it usual for the child to call the foster parents Mummy and Daddy?

I would have thought so with adoption but not necessarily with fostering. I think of fostering as a temporary arrangement.

Not asking for any particular reason, just curious.

Samaritans kinship care co-ordinator Karen Lizasaoin said kinship care had increased by 45 per cent in NSW in the past five years, and many more grandparents took on the role without any contact with the authorities or the courts.
In doing so they saved the public purse millions.
“The difference between kinship care and foster care is the children stay there; there are no further placements,” she said.

http://development.thesenior.com.au/News/The-Senior-News/They-re-grand-all-right

 

[Alex1906]

Well, one person on that ABC report into women and crime claimed the MSM are printing lies.
How can any of us confirm the truth of that? Unless we have MSM journalists in our midst.

If they ARE printing lies, then they're just further muddying the reputation of their profession which is already generally on the level of politicians and used-car salesmen.

I've been thinking about this also. What could the lies be?

 

[Eloise]

Is this the same media involved in phone tapping here? Lets not trust media taking the moral high ground. The thing to watch with media is what they dont print mostly to cause a public argument which sells newspapers.

Wasnt it last year prominent morning breakfast show hosts dragged into court for criminal actions?

A judge must make a decision on a suppression order. Criminals cant file for suppression of their name in a newspaper. There must be good reason although not always the real intention of the suppression.

I have enough faith Joobylin will work slowly and metciously through this to get the best outcome for all of us, not just the media.

Looking forward to more developments as it goes a little quiet. Could mean it ends with a big bang.
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Ya. I don't trust the media. I don't trust them less because one person says on a radio forum they're printing lies about WT. I still trust them the same which is not at all, tbh.
They misinform all the time, both deliberately and out of simple negligence in the rush to get a story out first. (This is where I think the misspelling of Tyrrell came from btw - simple negligence)

A good test to see how bad the media is? Just watch or read a story about something you personally know a lot about. Your profession, for example, or a hobby that you have been involved in for a long time. Even if they don't deliberately try and misinform, they will get details wrong, or put a weird slant on things, or they will miss out important details. It makes you realise that nothing coming from the media is truly, 100% trustworthy - even when they are reporting without any attempt at deceit, they can't possibly EVER tell the full story.

I can think of an example. A friend of mine wrote an article for a magazine - one circulated nationally - about something she is very qualified on (has a relevant degree and experience). The article they printed, they had cut a lot out of what she'd written and swapped a lot of stuff around. She wasn't too upset about it, it didn't become full-on wrong and she knew there would be some editing, but she said that it did change the article enough that it didn't really say what she'd wanted it to say. From my own personal interest in science and science communication, I know just about every academic article or scientific study that gets reported on in the media gets twisted around, turned into bite-size chunks for a tasty headline that really misses the mark most of the time and doesn't really reflect the truth about the scientific endeavour.

Anyway, it's getting off-topic. It's not really about WT per se, but basically I don't trust the media. I don't trust what we read in the MSM to be the actual truth. It may be a version of the truth that may or may not be any more true than what we read on social media. The only difference is you have to an extent trust that they wouldn't print anything they don't want to get sued for, something random Facebook posters probably don't worry too much about (though, they probably should, to be honest). But I think things have to get pretty extreme for that to happen.

I trust the cops. I trust Jubelin and every other cop on this case. Other countries might have dodgy cops, but I know NSW Police and I know they are 100% legit. The real deal. They'll get to the bottom of this case no matter what.

 

[stormyseas]

I've been thinking about this also. What could the lies be?

Possibly lies by omission? For example, I think his foster parents have always been referred to as his parents (with no mention of his biological family), so the natural conclusion would be that his foster family are his biological family?

 

[crabstick]

If the media are telling blatent lies then they wiĺl have to be consistent across the board or be caught out.

Is there is a bigger play here we dont know about? Is it for the greater good?

Do you mean immediate bio family stormy? Treading a fine line here.
For clarity, not implying family involvement.

Possibly lies by omission? For example, I think his foster parents have always been referred to as his parents (with no mention of his biological family), so the natural conclusion would be that his foster family are his biological family?

 

[Karo]

Neither am I, I was talking about the day of the search when he went to do several jobs (according to the reporter's assumption that they were clients)
The mattress, well, my assumption is that it was a flat or type of accommodation above the shop, I am not certain if it was but I have a recollection of an MSM report that said it was, so no surprise if there was a mattress and other furniture.

The Laurieton unit is above a number of shops, and locals said forensic police had spent most of Tuesday searching the apartment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-nervous-breakdown-thanks-family-support.html

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I am not talking about the day William went missing but on the day of the Long Point Drive search by LE. Links to MSM have been posted ad nauseum on this thread about that day. It's not known why he visited the warehouse and I didn't say old stock from the pawn shop was stored there. My reply was an exercise in logic or lateral thinking.

Here's another one for you. Why have a mattress in the room above your pawn shop?