Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[Puggle]

They obviously aren't. I know the ends may justify the means to a lot of people, but I'm not comfortable with it........though kinda entertained all at the same time. MOO

I felt uneasy earlier on...when it appeared BS was alone and victimised by the media....but the inclusion of Mr Jones and Mr Bickford and the links established...independently and subsequently confirmed in the media has put my mind at rest that the screws are being applied justifiably and for a reason...

If BS is innocent....then a total injustice has been done...and I agree....

The other two TJ and PB.... convicted...and PB is seriously a joke...what a complete twat of a human....he has a low libido for molesting little girls......shucks...that's a relief...

Derek is my only question mark....but as he already had form as a child molester....so I have NO apprehensive feelings of his name being mentioned in the media...as far as I am concerned he is lucky to be a named a rock spider in this decades generation - at his age...he may just fade into oblivion till his death.......Any other common garden variety paedophile like him in the coming generation will find themselves...with their days of their unacceptable pervasion numbered.... as society is now more open to the discussion.....our children are now more aware...it's acceptable discussion that this behaviour goes on and that it's NOT acceptable and victims will NOT remain silent!!!

 

[bearbear]

looking for an example of how paedophiles get together socially, i found this article by dan box from the australian printed april 23 2015 titled "sex ring assaults of sisters alleged"
written from the court case regarding the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

its probably pay walled so i have paraphrased....
court documents show there was evidence bs shared the girls he allegedly raped with other men and was there with these other men when the girls performed sex acts with each other, and police allege the investigation involves numerous child victims and evidence of other adult offenders
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4

 

[deugirtni]

This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Quite frankly, in all of the cases I have followed on WS, I have *never* seen a case so full of contradictions as this one. And it really really bothers me, because in there, amongst all of the various contradictions, I feel like there is a lot of room for something to have not been quite caught. I feel like they need to start all over from square one (again). Why on earth, if there were weird vehicles seen, would they not have been highlighted RIGHT AWAY, while things were fresh in the minds of people? Instead, all we heard at the time, was that nothing was seen nor heard. Nothing at all makes sense in this case.

For me, starting at square one would be to verify certain basic things that may not have been investigated as fully as possible, and as fully as they may have been in other cases.

And when has there EVER been the exact perfect case, where all of these various peoples' schedules were changed by chance on this one particular day, to allow this opportunity for a sickoperve to come along out of nowhere and pluck a toddler without a sound or a sight, and nobody anywhere ever witnessed anything? Usually there are little trinkets of information of things seen and things heard and things noticed that come in to police, like a puzzle, which over time, can be put all together, whereas this one seems to be running solely on ... nothing. They have received thousands of tips, but nothing. Just *everything* bugs me about this case, and it just feels wrong.

Judy Wilson, whose fence sits just 10m from where William was taken, heard him and his sister playing earlier that morning before she headed into town to run some errands.

When she returned, the street was in chaos.

“I wasn’t home and my husband wasn’t home. The only thing I was able to tell police was that I heard the children playing but didn’t see them … I just heard kids laughing and you could tell they were little children,” Mrs Wilson said.

“I don’t think it was an opportunistic grab from someone who just happened to be here *because we don’t get strangers wandering around.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c

Mrs Wilson said she heard the two children playing in the neighbouring yard before she left to run errands in the township about 90 minutes before William disappeared, just metre’s from her home.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/46b94ee67cf7e7c2cb4ba6a276388da8

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.

It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.

"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

 

[Puggle]

Police have the power to suppress information in the media, right? A lot of the information that has come out surely had to come from police. How many times have we heard, "The Daily Telegraph can reveal that...", "The Daily Telegraph has learned that..."

HOW have they always "learned" of these things?

The only information I think hasn't come from police is what has been said in media interviews with the POIs.

Angeline....

You are spot on...I didn't...never have really... ....It has been a proven strategy from day one...most memorable for me was the "bush search"...

Simple research of photographer/reporter.......lol...so very lucky to scoop a drive by...by the only then named POI....and then shucks...same reporter/photographer captures a casual walk around the POI home by the lead detectives at the time...

amazing...

 

[SouthAussie]

looking for an example of how paedophiles get together socially, i found this article by dan box from the australian printed april 23 2015 titled "sex ring assaults of sisters alleged"
written from the court case regarding the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

its probably pay walled so i have paraphrased....
court documents show there was evidence bs shared the girls he allegedly raped with other men and was there with these other men when the girls performed sex acts with each other, and police allege the investigation involves numerous child victims and evidence of other adult offenders
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4

Yes, and they can evidently also get together socially and have a few drinks at the pub, perhaps collect scrap metal, perhaps watch a footy game, maybe catch up in the street for a chat, if they are mates too.

 

[Angeline]

Is it just me or does one of the POIs come across as a textbook psychopath? I'd love to know what the profilers think.

 

[frogwell]

looking for an example of how paedophiles get together socially, i found this article by dan box from the australian printed april 23 2015 titled "sex ring assaults of sisters alleged"
written from the court case regarding the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

its probably pay walled so i have paraphrased....
court documents show there was evidence bs shared the girls he allegedly raped with other men and was there with these other men when the girls performed sex acts with each other, and police allege the investigation involves numerous child victims and evidence of other adult offenders
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4

but they have no evidence of any of this, just allegations!!!!!!!!!

 

[Warshawski]

BBM
The man across the road from me went to jail for two years for molesting a child. He and his wife say that it was a malicious accusation that didnt happen. I dont know what is true. But he said he pled guilty to the charges because he was told by his solicitor that if he was found guilty by the court he would most likely be sentenced to 10 years +. Maybe this is what PB is getting at.

Uuummm..... My kids grew up to the mantra "tell the truth and we'll work it out; tell a lie and the punishment will be many times worse". .. Reminiscent of the LE advice it seems.

 

[frogwell]

This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Quite frankly, in all of the cases I have followed on WS, I have *never* seen a case so full of contradictions as this one. And it really really bothers me, because in there, amongst all of the various contradictions, I feel like there is a lot of room for something to have not been quite caught. I feel like they need to start all over from square one (again). Why on earth, if there were weird vehicles seen, would they not have been highlighted RIGHT AWAY, while things were fresh in the minds of people? Instead, all we heard at the time, was that nothing was seen nor heard. Nothing at all makes sense in this case.

For me, starting at square one would be to verify certain basic things that may not have been investigated as fully as possible, and as fully as they may have been in other cases.

And when has there EVER been the exact perfect case, where all of these various peoples' schedules were changed by chance on this one particular day, to allow this opportunity for a sickoperve to come along out of nowhere and pluck a toddler without a sound or a sight, and nobody anywhere ever witnessed anything? Usually there are little trinkets of information of things seen and things heard and things noticed that come in to police, like a puzzle, which over time, can be put all together, whereas this one seems to be running solely on ... nothing. They have received thousands of tips, but nothing. Just *everything* bugs me about this case, and it just feels wrong.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/46b94ee67cf7e7c2cb4ba6a276388da8



http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

That would stand out a mile away, but I think it's a different neighbour.

 

[Puggle]

This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Quite frankly, in all of the cases I have followed on WS, I have *never* seen a case so full of contradictions as this one. And it really really bothers me, because in there, amongst all of the various contradictions, I feel like there is a lot of room for something to have not been quite caught. I feel like they need to start all over from square one (again). Why on earth, if there were weird vehicles seen, would they not have been highlighted RIGHT AWAY, while things were fresh in the minds of people? Instead, all we heard at the time, was that nothing was seen nor heard. Nothing at all makes sense in this case.

For me, starting at square one would be to verify certain basic things that may not have been investigated as fully as possible, and as fully as they may have been in other cases.

And when has there EVER been the exact perfect case, where all of these various peoples' schedules were changed by chance on this one particular day, to allow this opportunity for a sickoperve to come along out of nowhere and pluck a toddler without a sound or a sight, and nobody anywhere ever witnessed anything? Usually there are little trinkets of information of things seen and things heard and things noticed that come in to police, like a puzzle, which over time, can be put all together, whereas this one seems to be running solely on ... nothing. They have received thousands of tips, but nothing. Just *everything* bugs me about this case, and it just feels wrong.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/46b94ee67cf7e7c2cb4ba6a276388da8



http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

Beautiful ....an inconsistency ..and so close to the time and events....

As far as info being kept from the public -such as the vehicles seen on the day....if the police already have their own suspicions...backed by POI's priors...I can't fault them for keeping that info private if they feel for whatever reasons...???....private undercover investigation..tapping..etc???....three year old child..understandable..

 

[Warshawski]

A pedo getting 10 years? That would be an unusually long sentence for a first time offender ... historically. imo

Who knows the details - of this or any prior that got suspended or otherwise .. IMO

 

[Warshawski]

On Wednesday Bickford said the last time he spoke with Jones was at Wauchope's Hastings Hotel, though the two had not been in contact on the day of William Tyrrell's disappearance or since.
The 2009 Mid-North Coast senior volunteer of the year said while police had questioned him twice, they had "never searched" his Port Macquarie home.
He also appeared to cast doubt on the investigation of the disappearance.

"There's something very strange about the whole business," he said.
"I'm only a layman but I'm telling you now there's more to it than meets the eye, definitely more to it."
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/3676395/person-of-interest-very-sorry-for-william-tyrrells-family/

IMO, this guy loves to be in the limelight - let's arrange a spot for him on the breakfast show and see how quickly he provides a solution!

Have we ever heard anything from his wife?

Was the story they aren't living together due to his conviction, that he can't be living with the child in their care?

 

[Found]

This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Quite frankly, in all of the cases I have followed on WS, I have *never* seen a case so full of contradictions as this one. And it really really bothers me, because in there, amongst all of the various contradictions, I feel like there is a lot of room for something to have not been quite caught. I feel like they need to start all over from square one (again). Why on earth, if there were weird vehicles seen, would they not have been highlighted RIGHT AWAY, while things were fresh in the minds of people? Instead, all we heard at the time, was that nothing was seen nor heard. Nothing at all makes sense in this case.

For me, starting at square one would be to verify certain basic things that may not have been investigated as fully as possible, and as fully as they may have been in other cases.

And when has there EVER been the exact perfect case, where all of these various peoples' schedules were changed by chance on this one particular day, to allow this opportunity for a sickoperve to come along out of nowhere and pluck a toddler without a sound or a sight, and nobody anywhere ever witnessed anything? Usually there are little trinkets of information of things seen and things heard and things noticed that come in to police, like a puzzle, which over time, can be put all together, whereas this one seems to be running solely on ... nothing. They have received thousands of tips, but nothing. Just *everything* bugs me about this case, and it just feels wrong.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/46b94ee67cf7e7c2cb4ba6a276388da8



http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

Is it the same husband though? Could be another resident of the street? Re last link


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[Warshawski]

I would like to know what is the precise legal reason either by reference, statute, criminal code or common law principle that the government is relying upon and why has this administrative decision not been appealed in this case????? MOO

Pardon Tiddles - I don't understand? To what are you referring please?

 

[Puggle]

but they have no evidence of any of this, just allegations!!!!!!!!!

I have no evidence that my uncle molested me as a child......so it must not be true......but he did...

Frog...there are medical records.....the only question is the timing of the offence....was it before Hillsley was sent to prison...or after....shall be interesting to see those reports..

I can't fathom as an adult...having experienced those childhood trauma's....making up ****....it's hard enough to discuss as it is.....if you haven't been a recipient of childhood sexual abuse I would suggest your not qualified to comment...unless it's a IMO based on your own experience of being abused sexually as a child...I appreciate we may all experience things differently and express them differently... obviously...

I can't see that there is a pay off...no motivation...for adults...some obscure defence in parental request for custody for sure.....but when adult children come forward.....there is no payoff... something worth thinking about...

 

[Found]

Uuummm..... My kids grew up to the mantra "tell the truth and we'll work it out; tell a lie and the punishment will be many times worse". .. Reminiscent of the LE advice it seems.

It's pretty well known that if you have a case against you and show remorse, plead guilty and agree you are in the wrong you will get a lighter sentence. I myself if I was innocent of a crime would fight to the death but a scearnario def exists where you are told you have no chance so just go for the lesser sentence.


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[asac]

This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Mrs Wilson said she heard the two children playing in the neighbouring yard before she left to run errands in the township about 90 minutes before William disappeared, just metre’s from her home.

The way that I've read this is that she heard the two children playing 90 minutes before William disappeared. And that this was simply something that occurred at some period before she left to run errands. As in, she stepped outside 90 minutes before he disappeared and she heard the children. I didn't read it to mean that she heard the children playing AS she was leaving and that she was leaving 90 minutes before he disappeared.

 

[Puggle]

That would stand out a mile away, but I think it's a different neighbour.

Totally worth checking out and sleuthing to the end degree if there is any inconsistency IMO.....

 

[Warshawski]

I'm happy to be ignorant in the ways of pedophiles... but for the life of me, I cannot imagine why they would get together in real life, or know the true identities of one another, or meet in person to review photos, or whatever they do when they are together. I can see how there can be massive pedo groups doing online stuff... acting independently, then posting to a specific audience.. I can see how a name would get announced in a newspaper, or some pedophiles might come to know of one another's crimes while doing time together..

Pedophiles who belong to groups where they can access/purchase(?) videos and photos.. there have to be tons of them where the minors were not murdered, correct? If a pedo murders his victim during the course of his pedo assault, how is that looked upon by other pedos? Are they a bunch who will say, oh no prob, as long as you got the video/photos? Or is there a 'code' even amongst pedophiles?

I am getting to this only because I find it confusing when people talk about pedos getting together in person, in real life. Like for what purpose? I seriously would have thought all of the sharing part of their disgusting ways would be done via online or by mail, etc.

Absolutely I hear you Deugirtni, and IMO all wholesome human being will be posing the same questions.
In our minds, this whole scene is absolutely abhorrent and therefore how would you ever get to the point in a conversation with another 'oh hey, let's go grab a kid to play with'.

The sad reality is the Other side - the side that we cannot comprehend (and nor do I want to!)

We have seen so many examples of inhumane behaviour (don't get me started) and more appalling are the examples of child victims of these warped personalities. I can't help thinking of Sian Kingi who was prey to a stupid woman trying to satisfy her sick partner.

Why..why...why

 

[frogwell]

The extra allegations on top of the charges, although the police described it as evidence, an appeals judge described it as not evidence but unsubstantiated allegations. This upcoming court case for BS (if we ever get there) will determine the outcome. We do not know if adult children came forward or if the police pursued these victims and strongly persuaded them and we don't know how they feel about any of it. We do not know if they want to go down this path or if they have been strongly manipulated by the police who want to achieve their own end. Although it's great from a sleuthers end to be given information to pursue in this case, it does bother me that not many care that you can say all this sh#t about someone in the media without one piece of evidence to back it up and people think that is fair. I'm surprised other media outlets who aren't getting the scoop don't call this behaviour out in their own news outlets, I for one have never seen this level of hinting before around a case.