Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

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  • #821
To me, that is different.. why? Because although it isn't great for relationships, infidelity is something that happens ALL the time, always has, always will.. and it isn't a crime really, not a criminal offence, you don't get your name put on a hit list, if 2 adults are willing partners, it is more a matter of ethics and morals, as opposed to physical and mental injury that is felt by victims of pedophilia.. and it's not something that is so abhorrent that it is a secret that nobody can know...

Whereas.. a pedophile, is considered a sick f@ck, by any standard (well let's say at least 99.99% of the population, even amongst most of the criminal population), despised by virtually everyone, it is a criminal offence, it hurts the victims physically and mentally, it is something that must by law be reported to authorities by teachers, counsellors, etc. To me, it is very very different.

A pedo's sex life would not include other pedos, it would be a hideous private act.. so I'm just not getting why there would ever be reason for these sick buggars to get together in the flesh in real life. Their online dealings on the deep dark web are presumably very anonymous, and likely include all kinds of people who may be our neighbours.. officials in our towns and schools.. people we would likely never suspect. To think there is a 'club' type of thing.. is not only even more sick, but I can't understand the reasoning. I am not a psychologist for sure, but I would hazard a guess that your typical pedophile is someone who doesn't admit to his sickness, and denies what he does, even to himself... let alone having get togethers with other sick f@cks who also do the things that are too sick to accept in oneself. It just doesn't make sense to me. When the cops bust a pedo ring, aren't the players all anonymous.. and when their names come out, everyone is shocked - even amongst themselves?

i think there are varying degrees & 'levels', sadly. As I indicated in an earlier response, this is an area that we just will never ever be able to get our heads around, because it is totally out of our realm of thinking.. IMO.

Do I recall some comments by the scum who murdered Daniel Morcombe's - that he wished he was a member of a 'ring', and 'it's all ok because these kids don't know any different' - OMG
 
  • #822
The extra allegations on top of the charges, although the police described it as evidence, an appeals judge described it as not evidence but unsubstantiated allegations. This upcoming court case for BS (if we ever get there) will determine the outcome. We do not know if adult children came forward or if the police pursued these victims and strongly persuaded them and we don't know how they feel about any of it. We do not know if they want to go down this path or if they have been strongly manipulated by the police who want to achieve their own end. Although it's great from a sleuthers end to be given information to pursue in this case, it does bother me that not many care that you can say all this sh#t about someone in the media without one piece of evidence to back it up and people think that is fair. I'm surprised other media outlets who aren't getting the scoop don't call this behaviour out in their own news outlets, I for one have never seen this level of hinting before around a case.

I'm off to bed..late here...tired..so please excuse me if I misunderstood your post.....are you suggesting the alleged victims..approached as adults were in some way cohered into making statements to implicate BS???

Adult victims.....what pay off would they have??
 
  • #823
I'm off to bed..late here...tired..so please excuse me if I misunderstood your post.....are you suggesting the alleged victims..approached as adults were in some way cohered into making statements to implicate BS???

Adult victims.....what pay off would they have??

Why people make up false allegations I don't know but it does happen and a judge has questioned the authenticity so although we can all be about supporting victims etc it's not being realistic to say they are always true. And the details are sketchy.


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  • #824
I felt uneasy earlier on...when it appeared BS was alone and victimised by the media....but the inclusion of Mr Jones and Mr Bickford and the links established...independently and subsequently confirmed in the media has put my mind at rest that the screws are being applied justifiably and for a reason...

If BS is innocent....then a total injustice has been done...and I agree....

The other two TJ and PB.... convicted...and PB is seriously a joke...what a complete twat of a human....he has a low libido for molesting little girls......shucks...that's a relief...

Derek is my only question mark....but as he already had form as a child molester....so I have NO apprehensive feelings of his name being mentioned in the media...as far as I am concerned he is lucky to be a named a rock spider in this decades generation - at his age...he may just fade into oblivion till his death.......Any other common garden variety paedophile like him in the coming generation will find themselves...with their days of their unacceptable pervasion numbered.... as society is now more open to the discussion.....our children are now more aware...it's acceptable discussion that this behaviour goes on and that it's NOT acceptable and victims will NOT remain silent!!!

Hey Puggle, shame the Thanks button doesn't allow multiple presses. Thank you
 
  • #825
i think there are varying degrees & 'levels', sadly. As I indicated in an earlier response, this is an area that we just will never ever be able to get our heads around, because it is totally out of our realm of thinking.. IMO.

Do I recall some comments by the scum who murdered Daniel Morcombe's - that he wished he was a member of a 'ring', and 'it's all ok because these kids don't know any different' - OMG

Many pedophiles think their behaviour is acceptable. So I guess he wound of felt some kind of support has he not acted alone.


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  • #826
This is really bugging me. The other day, I made reference to a newspaper article wherein it stated that the neighbour woman had only departed ONE minute prior to the time when WT disappeared. (see below reference). Then... when I looked back because I had not remembered ever reading that before, there are 2 things that conflict. First, the husband was supposedly ALSO not home, but yet in the third quote below, he seems to have been an eye witness to the EXACT time when his wife left the house, so that would assume that he WAS indeed home at the very time he disappeared. Meanwhile, the woman is quoted as saying she left her house 90 minutes before he disappeared, and that her husband *wasn't* home.

Quite frankly, in all of the cases I have followed on WS, I have *never* seen a case so full of contradictions as this one. And it really really bothers me, because in there, amongst all of the various contradictions, I feel like there is a lot of room for something to have not been quite caught. I feel like they need to start all over from square one (again). Why on earth, if there were weird vehicles seen, would they not have been highlighted RIGHT AWAY, while things were fresh in the minds of people? Instead, all we heard at the time, was that nothing was seen nor heard. Nothing at all makes sense in this case.

For me, starting at square one would be to verify certain basic things that may not have been investigated as fully as possible, and as fully as they may have been in other cases.

And when has there EVER been the exact perfect case, where all of these various peoples' schedules were changed by chance on this one particular day, to allow this opportunity for a sickoperve to come along out of nowhere and pluck a toddler without a sound or a sight, and nobody anywhere ever witnessed anything? Usually there are little trinkets of information of things seen and things heard and things noticed that come in to police, like a puzzle, which over time, can be put all together, whereas this one seems to be running solely on ... nothing. They have received thousands of tips, but nothing. Just *everything* bugs me about this case, and it just feels wrong.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/46b94ee67cf7e7c2cb4ba6a276388da8



http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

I hear you for sure Day, and IMO, this will be echoed by many on this forum.

This is the most inexplicable situation. Our minds travel to all directions looking for an answer for this little boy. The challenge is that we sit on the outside of the puzzle box, just thrown a few chips here and there (maybe not even from the same box)

all I can personally do, is to have faith.
 
  • #827
I'm off to bed..late here...tired..so please excuse me if I misunderstood your post.....are you suggesting the alleged victims..approached as adults were in some way cohered into making statements to implicate BS???

Adult victims.....what pay off would they have??

I am suggesting that after 20 odd years police may have approached and said your evidence is vital right now and could help in preventing this man hurting anyone ever again and we will back you up all the way to get him convicted if you want to pursue it. Maybe....MOO
 
  • #828
The thing is Found.....it was through BS that the connection to TJ and AJ became known.....

BS's mutal Friends associated through the GAPA group and the subsequent grandparents kinship group.....groups that TJ was a member and AJ (Past President)......the fact that AJ Lived in the same previous town (wellington) as BS...and his daughter bought a washing machine from BS....is so not...the only connection between these two..IMO

Will provide links soon.... American Idol is on...lol...

ETA: I can't see how Derek is involved either.....but it's been suggested....wondering if a link between him...and the Grandparent group somewhere would provide the AHA..moment... He lived in Kendall out behind the preschool when he was picked up on his way to church following the complaint of a neighbour that he was paying way too much unwarranted attention to her grandson...subsequent search - USB with child exploitation/abuse material of the worst kind...

Jones previously lived across the road from his friend Bill Spedding.

Paraphrased since paywalled. I think in the end Spedding will be just as guilty as the others.

Not sure how Nichols fits in but I think BS and DN both claiming to be in Dunbogan that day may be relevant.....



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  • #829
I have no evidence that my uncle molested me as a child......so it must not be true......but he did...

Frog...there are medical records.....the only question is the timing of the offence....was it before Hillsley was sent to prison...or after....shall be interesting to see those reports..

I can't fathom as an adult...having experienced those childhood trauma's....making up ****....it's hard enough to discuss as it is.....if you haven't been a recipient of childhood sexual abuse I would suggest your not qualified to comment...unless it's a IMO based on your own experience of being abused sexually as a child...I appreciate we may all experience things differently and express them differently... obviously...

I can't see that there is a pay off...no motivation...for adults...some obscure defence in parental request for custody for sure.....but when adult children come forward.....there is no payoff... something worth thinking about...

100% Puggle - if it happened, then it happen.

These children are victims - the question here, maybe, is 'of whom'?

and this is where, perhaps, influence can come to play, depending on age etc. a child can be coerced from a very very early age to believe something.

I struggle to understand how it all came to court with all the evidence etc (on record ) but then suddenly it stopped 'due to the age of the child / children' I think I read.

Was that perhaps because LE wanted to bring them to open court to give evidence? I must admit, it's tough today, in those days it was totally to the shame of the victim, and it took massive strength to weather the storm from every angle.
 
  • #830
It's pretty well known that if you have a case against you and show remorse, plead guilty and agree you are in the wrong you will get a lighter sentence. I myself if I was innocent of a crime would fight to the death but a scearnario def exists where you are told you have no chance so just go for the lesser sentence.


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why do you have no choice ? Just my thoughts ..
 
  • #831
Have we ever heard anything from his wife?

Copied and pasted from Thread 17 post 133
From Germany


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ll-investigation/story-fni0cx12-1227516873702 Today PAYWALL

Bickford pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting an 11-year-old girl who suffers from Asperger’s syndrome during a drive to the shops to buy her lollies.

“He’s a bloody fool (for pleading guilty),” his wife Sandra said.

“He didn’t want to go to jail … he’s innocent.


Seemingly all the old men charged have wifes. If the wifes are thinking like Ms B, then there is little hope for the future, IMO.


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  • #832
looking for an example of how paedophiles get together socially, i found this article by dan box from the australian printed april 23 2015 titled "sex ring assaults of sisters alleged"
written from the court case regarding the violent sexual assault of two sisters, aged three and six, in Sydney in 1987.

its probably pay walled so i have paraphrased....
court documents show there was evidence bs shared the girls he allegedly raped with other men and was there with these other men when the girls performed sex acts with each other, and police allege the investigation involves numerous child victims and evidence of other adult offenders
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4

To me, that isn't a good example of how 'pedos get together socially'. That article is based on allegations only. Personally, I find a number of issues with that story. But that is another topic.
 
  • #833
That would stand out a mile away, but I think it's a different neighbour.

I'm sorry, you are correct.. there is NO indication in that article that states that it was Mr. Wilson. Which neighbour would it *be*? In the one news article, it lists piles of residents from the street and what they were doing at the time .. Judy Wilson is the *only* one noted, who had left the street, so this means that a resident LEFT the street one minute prior to WT's disappearance, while another neighbour arrived home JUST before his disappearance and was unloading groceries at the time of his disappearance. How likely IS it that someone/anyone could have come and just snatched him without ANY residents noticing or hearing or seeing a thing? It just doesn't sit right for me!

I looked at the properties, and their home (the Wilsons') does NOT have a pool. One might assume that whoever was quoted in the article does have a pool, since he referred to using a pool net to go through the dam and waterholes. 27 Benaroon Dr does have a pool, so perhaps it was that resident. By the way, just as a matter of interest, it appears that the Wilsons sold their home privately in December last.
 
  • #834
Beautiful ....an inconsistency ..and so close to the time and events....

As far as info being kept from the public -such as the vehicles seen on the day....if the police already have their own suspicions...backed by POI's priors...I can't fault them for keeping that info private if they feel for whatever reasons...???....private undercover investigation..tapping..etc???....three year old child..understandable..

But at the time, remember that they were asking people .. what did you see.. what did you hear.. if they were looking for ANY vehicle, which they were, they indicated that, but if they also knew of a potential specific vehicle, I can't see them keeping that a secret, since just hearing the description may have sparked a memory in someone, perhaps not even someone on Benaroon Drive, but someone on a neighbouring street.. or further.. or someone who might even know the people who own the vehicles, etc. Too hard to believe. My opinion only.
 
  • #835
He doesn't seem to be in MSM as much, but I just can't rule him out. Of course that's only my opinion. Too many connections on many levels in many places. I also wondered if he's been spilling a few beans (post #765) to get some leniency, etc.

Probably out of the media spotlight so it doesn't jeopardise the current matter before the courts, p&g. I know what you mean about the degrees of separation from other POIs and the coincidences that have just kept on occurring between this particular circle of 'not friends'. I suspect at least one rat has deserted the sinking ship.
 
  • #836
i think there are varying degrees & 'levels', sadly. As I indicated in an earlier response, this is an area that we just will never ever be able to get our heads around, because it is totally out of our realm of thinking.. IMO.

Do I recall some comments by the scum who murdered Daniel Morcombe's - that he wished he was a member of a 'ring', and 'it's all ok because these kids don't know any different' - OMG

Yes, like I said.. I don't know.. I just can't imagine having that conversation, one pedo to another, CAN'T imagine. But I do know there is the group NAMBLA, I believe based in the USA, but not sure. I suppose if I had the stomach to look into what their beliefs are, I would be in for some shockers. Not qualified at all to speak on this subject. I only know what I read in the news, mostly local... whenever there is a bust for some kind of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 ring.. they tend to be men from all over, who get together anonymously via the internet, and their identities once known, are sometimes shocking.

That said....

Okay so the sun and moon and the stars all got together to provide this magical minute of opportunity for a person who just happened to be in the area of dead end streets and expansive semi-rural properties, with potentially neighbours with watchful eyes who are usually out and about at that time of day, on any other day but that one. That is bad enough. But add to the mix, that the person is ALSO a pedophile, ALSO must be a murderous pedophile at that, and also inclined to steal a child upon a moment's sighting.

Then add to the mix that nobody saw or heard ANYthing, even with the whole world hearing about this story.. all the publicity.. nobody knew anything. Hundreds, maybe thousands of tips brought forward, but not one of them good enough to bring the investigation to a new level. So not only did this murderous pedophile have all of this luck, but he also somehow had the ability to hide everything he did SO well, from EVERYONE he knows, since surely to God, if someone knew something, they would call Crimestoppers.

And then even further........ he took the body and did something with it, to conceal it for at least one and a half years (up to this day, so far). All of this without a moment's planning, and yet sooooo *lucky*. Do pedophiles who steal toddlers and murder them normally hide the bodies? Is that part of the MO for that type of killer? Why hide it? Why not do your disgusting deed, and then at least let the child have a funeral, let his family have closure? Let the public stop looking. He already got away with it, why not let it go?

If the body were found, would it somehow lead back to the guilty party? If so, how? In my mind, given the exposure of this particular case, it wouldn't be that simple to hide a body for this length of time, with nobody noticing a thing? Again my perhaps naive opinion only.
 
  • #837
I'm off to bed..late here...tired..so please excuse me if I misunderstood your post.....are you suggesting the alleged victims..approached as adults were in some way cohered into making statements to implicate BS???

Adult victims.....what pay off would they have??

I feel like this happened: Police decided on day one that the families were cleared; Police decided on... I'm not sure which day, perhaps day 3(?), that WT did not wander off and get lost, etc. According to Jub, he has revisited, and the only alternative is for the sun and earth and stars and heaven to move in harmony for a minute, to provide an opportunity to some sick buggar who happened to be on the dead end street for some reason unknown. Police try to think.. could it have been a repair person on the street.. and voila, FM tells police about the washing machine repairman who would have come that day, but was told not to.

They set their sights on BS.. perhaps because in addition to FM telling of a would-have-been visit, they also later got a call from perhaps the mother of the grandchildren that BS was caring for. A mother who felt she should have custody of her children, perhaps. Perhaps she made some kind of allegation to FAS about him as well, perhaps after hearing through the family grapevine that he was supposed to have visited the by-then almost-famous house from where WT was taken.

Then it all fits for police, has to be him, so they fully look into him.. find these historical charges that for some reason, were not pursued at the time, almost 30 years prior. After looking into the matter, they felt it would boost their case for BS abducting WT, if he was already a proven child molester, since it is mostly unlikely that a first-timer would do such a bold abduction, get completely away with it, with the ability to completely hide the body. So they interview the participants of the historical case, lose some notes in the process.. ask them to renew the case with the prosecution. Simple as that.

The ex wife I'm sure, was all too willing to revisit the case. By now, 30 years later, the children have surely hold whatever believes the exwife wanted them to hold 30 years earlier. Police renew the charges, arrest BS, he is incarcerated, perfect. But then he applies for bail, when a judge looks at the case, and determines that it isn't such a strong case as the police are presumably thinking it is, and allows BS to go free on bail until his day in court.

When it comes to children, I know that investigators have to be specialized in how to approach them and get information from them, withOUT putting preconceived thoughts in their head ahead of time. It is important because they need to ensure they accuse the correct person. Young children are impressionable. Even if a child is pre-verbal, I believe it is possible, with the right qualifications, to determine who the perp was. To now bring the case to trial some 30 years later, it is really too late to get the right person, and do the investigation properly from the beginning. So they have notes from the past, but according to the judge, portions of them conveniently seem to be missing.

Sometimes police *do* get tunnel-vision in a case. If they have ruled out other possibilities, and 'snatched by a pedophile' is the only one remaining, it would not be difficult to get tunnel-vision. The man's life is ruined.. he has lost custody of his grandchildren, he has lost his business, he may have had to move into a smaller, less expensive home by now. If they have something on him, or on a pedo ring, then get to it, and lay charges, lay the cards on the table to allow him to defend himself. Some say police are in no hurry since they must believe WT is already dead... but what about the next victim? If there is a murderer on the loose, or a ring that harms children, and perhaps even kills some of them, there is a huge hurry, I would think. If WT was taken by some kind of pedophile, or pedo ring, I doubt, imo, that it would be just a one-off. How could they live with themselves if they took their sweet time, sat on evidence, postponed an arrest(s), and another child dies in the meantime?

Nobody is saying the girls were not abused. It is not clear who the abuser was. Could have been the mother, for all we know, nevermind her criminal pedophile brother.
 
  • #838
I had a look and couldn't see anything, but my apologies if this has already been posted.

More officers deployed to William Tyrrell Strike Force

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There are now 12 officers permanently attached to it, a number Superintendent Willing attributed to Det Insp Jubelin approaching him and the command.

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Mrs Johnston backed police calls via a statement issued on February 16 for the community to consider William alive and to not give up on him.

"NSW Police maintain the position that until they have conclusive evidence that William Tyrrell is deceased, they will continue to investigate the matter on the basis William could still be alive," the statement read.

"However, we do not have evidence he is deceased so any commentary in this regard is speculation."
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/3747506/tyrrell-strike-force-numbers-boosted/?cs=257
 
  • #839
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that this thread was primarily created to help find clues in the abduction of a vulnerable 3 year old boy, William Tyrrell, who has probably been violently abused and/or murdered by now, and to comfort his loved ones; not to 'Support X who has been Charged with and/or Convicted of Child Sex Offences'.
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btw If anyone is of the opinion that individual(s) in this matter are being portrayed in the press in a biased manner, you can send your complaint(s) to the Australian Press Council, eg:

http://www.presscouncil.org.au/document-search/adj-1651/
 
  • #840
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that this thread was primarily created to help find clues in the abduction of a vulnerable 3 year old boy, William Tyrrell, who has been probably been violently abused and/or murdered by now, and to comfort his loved ones; not to 'Support X who has been Charged with and/or Convicted of Child Sex Offences'.
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