Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #21

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BS probably just wants to speed up proceedings. He also has the option of applying for the prosecution against him to be permanently stayed due to a lack of credible evidence. Such an application can more easily be made once the trial process is under way.

A stay of proceedings is a ruling by the court in civil and criminal procedure, halting further legal process in a trial. The court can subsequently lift the stay and resume proceedings. However, a stay is sometimes used as a device to postpone proceedings indefinitely.

If an accused person is discharged, or the matter is withdrawn, or if committed for a different offence to that originally before the court, costs in favour of an accused person may be awarded:
 
  • #543
I will try to give better examples. When WT went missing he was away from home in a different town. If a child that young was viewed in public he would most likely have been seen with 1 - 3 family members. He was a part of a group. It is unlikely he was seen on this occassion in Kendall by anybody outside of his family that we know of. That leaves the only time he may have been seen, on the trip, to the stop at MacDonald's which is very busy. He may not have had his spider man suit on then or stood out to anybody however, interactions between his parents and other people may have been observed or noted by other people and probably dismissed. When WT's FF went to Lakewood, someone might have noticed a person observing him whilst on his skype conference for example, however not knowing who they were looking at, did not think anything more of it. And that is just the trip up, it cuts out all manner of things that may have been observed by others in the lead up to the disappearance. With investigators weighing the pros and cons of whether to have the family's identity revealed, I think they have cut out a good chunk of information that may be relevant through other sources. Of course eyewitness statements can be wrong. I saw the appeal by Keisha Abrahams mother and her partner only once on the news. A few months later I saw the partner cycling down a street a few blocks from where I live. I would have known him anywhere. The power of getting someone's face out there is inestimateable. IMO Sorry, what is against WS TOS?

Please don't think I'm having a go at you froggy. Truly I wasn't. I was just thinking out loud about the reasons no one from William's FF has been identified and, I agree in principle, that their identification may have helped; in the beginning. With all the machinations by, I presume, powers-that-be, the time for that strategy has passed IMO.

I was just stating what I think is the obvious regarding the unreliability of witness statements; especially about the people who were in or around Benaroon Drive that fateful day; given that it is almost two years since the crime and everyone has been bombarded with images of anyone connected with the case. Our minds are amazing things but they are highly subjective rather than objective (and that includes mine) and can cinvince ourselves of just about any suggestion. I don't doubt that you recognised RS. There are some people's faces that are almost burned into your brain. I just know I wouldn't be able to pick someone in a line-up of similarly looking people if I'd only seen them once at a crime scene (unless, of course, there was something distinctive about their appearance). Quite frankly, I'd trust my ears (aural cortex) before I'd ever trust my eyes (visual); but that's me.

I wasn't chipping you about breaking WS TOS (Websleuth's Terms of Service/Rules) just reiterating that I wasn't accusing William's FF (or Madeline's parents) of anything to do with his disappearance; just as you're not, because we are a supposed to be a supportive forum for 'victims of crime' which includes their families (at least, unless we find out otherwise).
 
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Hmm whilst Sonny Day is almost certainly a fictitious name....I wonder if it is his actual surname?

Another internet troll name. No doubt he spent countless hours in the dark of his elderly mother's basement making up hundreds of them. Pathetic people he and his fellow 'RIP trolls' are.
 
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Must say I'm surprised at BS waiving his right to a committal hearing. MOO

You're not on your Pat Malone there, froggy. Gobsmacked!
 
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I wonder why he waived his right too. He might feel very confident that he will be found not guilty and wants to get it over ASAP.

Maybe Froggy.
Or maybe there is a risk that further evidence may be uncovered at a committal hearing.
IMO
 
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Please don't think I'm having a go at you froggy. Truly I wasn't. I was just thinking out loud about the reasons no one from William's FF has been identified and, I agree in principle, that their identification may have helped; in the beginning. With all the machinations by, I presume, powers-that-be, the time for that strategy has passed IMO.

I was just stating what I think is the obvious regarding the unreliability of witness statements; especially about the people who were in or around Benaroon Drive that fateful day; given that it is almost two years since the crime and everyone has been bombarded with images of anyone connected with the case. Our minds are amazing things but they are highly subjective rather than objective (and that includes mine) and can cinvince ourselves of just about any suggestion. I don't doubt that you recognised RS. There are some people's faces that are almost burned into your brain. I just know I wouldn't be able to pick someone in a line-up of similarly looking people if I'd only seen them once at a crime scene (unless, of course, there was something distinctive about their appearance). Quite frankly, I'd trust my ears (aural cortex) before I'd ever trust my eyes (visual); but that's me.

I wasn't chipping you about breaking WS TOS (Websleuth's Terms of Service/Rules) just reiterating that I wasn't accusing William's FF (or Madeline's parents) of anything to do with his disappearance; just as you're not, because we are a supposed to be a supportive forum for 'victims of crime' which includes their families (at least, unless we find out otherwise).

Not offended in the slightest.So to put it in a nutshell, the parameters of the investigation were reduced based on the choice of the potential to endanger a child and an actual endangered child. That would have been a hard choice to make. MOO
 
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Not offended in the slightest.So to put it in a nutshell, the parameters of the investigation were reduced based on the choice of the potential to endanger a child and an actual endangered child. That would have been a hard choice to make. MOO

Zactly :)
 
  • #553
Hmm whilst Sonny Day is almost certainly a fictitious name....I wonder if it is his actual surname?

Oh my ha ha
Sonny Day and Just in Time.
I also wonder.
 
  • #554
Maybe Froggy.
Or maybe there is a risk that further evidence may be uncovered at a committal hearing.
IMO

*sings* 'Wouldn't that be luv-verly, luv-verly, luv-verly?'
 
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It is a small town. The house across the road had just a television and a lack of furniture suggesting people who hadn't long term intentions. Probably to some degree transient with a few visitors. The abduction point was classic multiple exits with plenty of cover.

While I was told to cease and desist from connecting Kharlies incident with NSW it was soon realised that the case was very interstate. The one common denominator here is Cessnock where prisoners network, and they all know why they are there. A man with a 100 mobiles phones, all with different unique identifiers still easily used to access communications via Cafe WIFI etc. I'm not saying Khandalyce case is connected, but my very real point is the capacity for networks to communicate in a dynamic way in this day and age with those that meet and connect out of prison.

While someone may not have directly abducted someone, they had the ability to communicate with others using dozens of discarded devices without detection of who they are. There is no reason why a target couldn't have been communicated to another being anyone from say example Cessnock prison to carry out a task, whether they are a child predator or not.
Lets face it, desperate people will do anything in order to acquire drugs these days. Once spotted, it would have been easy to communicate that William had arrived.

The street was a soft target for abduction. Houses set back from the street, lots of cover, and multiple exits. The cemetery being one. It would not have been hard to lead William away through open yards into several options of escape. It was a prime abduction location. The risk was much lower than that in areas of higher density housing, higher population.

I don't think William went back down the main street. I think William went through the cemetery exit, or down a forest track. To drive straight back up the street was a period of low traffic, and residents at home. But driving down the street would be immediately identifiable. People do tend to ignore service vehicles though, especially if seen prior.

These guys know each other, hundreds of them. A prime example is, the six men in Perth busted last year working together.

This was preplanned, and executed with precision when the time was right. It is why we haven't seen William again.

tyrrell.jpg

Image source: Google Earth
 
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I wonder why he waived his right too. He might feel very confident that he will be found not guilty and wants to get it over ASAP.
That is what I am thinking. If he is found not guilty I will probably be throwing things!

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It is a small town. The house across the road had just a television and a lack of furniture suggesting people who hadn't long term intentions. Probably to some degree transient with a few visitors. The abduction point was classic multiple exits with plenty of cover.

While I was told to cease and desist from connecting Kharlies incident with NSW it was soon realised that the case was very interstate. The one common denominator here is Cessnock where prisoners network, and they all know why they are there. A man with a 100 mobiles phones, all with different unique identifiers still easily used to access communications via Cafe WIFI etc. I'm not saying Khandalyce case is connected, but my very real point is the capacity for networks to communicate in a dynamic way in this day and age with those that meet and connect out of prison.

While someone may not have directly abducted someone, they had the ability to communicate with others using dozens of discarded devices without detection of who they are. There is no reason why a target couldn't have been communicated to another being anyone from say example Cessnock prison to carry out a task, whether they are a child predator or not.
Lets face it, desperate people will do anything in order to acquire drugs these days. Once spotted, it would have been easy to communicate that William had arrived.

The street was a soft target for abduction. Houses set back from the street, lots of cover, and multiple exits. The cemetery being one. It would not have been hard to lead William away through open yards into several options of escape. It was a prime abduction location. The risk was much lower than that in areas of higher density housing, higher population.

I don't think William went back down the main street. I think William went through the cemetery exit, or down a forest track. To drive straight back up the street was a period of low traffic, and residents at home. But driving down the street would be immediately identifiable. People do tend to ignore service vehicles though, especially if seen prior.

These guys know each other, hundreds of them. A prime example is, the six men in Perth busted last year working together.

This was preplanned, and executed with precision when the time was right. It is why we haven't seen William again.

tyrrell.jpg

Image source: Google Earth

That image .... white somethings parked on the road opposite nana's house.
imo
 
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This was preplanned, and executed with precision when the time was right. It is why we haven't seen William again.

I would totally have no problem accepting that if William was a local child but he wasn't. He wasn't even a frequent visitor. It's not like they knew he was going to be playing outside without direct adult supervision at all moments that morning.

Why William? Why not a child more closely connected to the pedo ring? Doesn't seem like they've had trouble getting access to children a lot easier in their past offenses.

the only way that makes sense is if there are much closer connections to the pedo ring involved, somewhere along the line ...
 
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