Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[bearbear]

interesting tech info .....

And if you see a photo online for example on someone’s Facebook wall, you can download it and it will still have the EXIF data that you can then run through the viewer to find out lots more details.

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-determine-where-a-picture-was-taken/

 

[Eloise]

I totally agree, Eloise, and you have every right to suspect whoever you want.

To clarify I'm talking very generally and with respect to all cases. In this case, I do not personally suspect the FPs. I sideeye the Where's William campaign a bit but I do not suspect them of wrongdoing as regards William's disappearance.

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[Bohemian]

<modsnip> especially after this statement by Sarah Yule; the forensic profiler who is assisting the investigation into William's disappearance:

'She said if no-one but the child's parents and grandmother knew about the visit, then the kidnapper would have had to have another reason to be there &#8212; either visiting, living or working in the area.

She added there was also only a narrow window of opportunity to take the child from outside the property, which is in a dead-end street.

"It does seem that this was an opportunistic crime and when somebody makes that kind of impulsive decision, mistakes are made and it's those kind of mistakes that the investigation is focusing on," she said.'

Source:

William Tyrrell: Forensic profiler reveals details about three-year-old's suspected kidnapper
ABC News (online)
By Dijana Damjanovic (staff)
Updated Sun 13 Sep 2015, 11:54 PM AEST

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

AFAIK investigators have yet to find any evidence that William wandered into the bush, became lost and perished, or was abducted by a 'local paedophile gang'.

I know it's been reported that BS 'knew' William would be at his FGM's former home but thorough searches of his residence, business and vehicles have not yet yielded any conclusive evidence that he abducted William AFAIK. Likewise, anyone connected with him by varying degrees of separation. Therefore, I can only agree with Sarah Yule's initial assessment; at this stage.

I hope everything that can be done to answer the question; 'Where's William?', is being done. Someone saw something. Someone knows something. The questions we're left with are; 'Who?' and 'Why don't you come forward?'.

 

[Eloise]

interesting tech info .....

And if you see a photo online for example on someone’s Facebook wall, you can download it and it will still have the EXIF data that you can then run through the viewer to find out lots more details.

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-determine-where-a-picture-was-taken/

Really? Because I experimented with this and found pics uploaded to FB had their exif data stripped. It's been a long time since I Facebooked though.

Exif data can also be falsified apparently. Not sure how useful it is.

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[Bohemian]

To clarify I'm talking very generally and with respect to all cases. In this case, I do not personally suspect the FPs. I sideeye the Where's William campaign a bit but I do not suspect them of wrongdoing as regards William's disappearance.

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I know you are, Eloise, and I agree with you after all the years I've been interested in, and studied, aspects of crimes.

I must say the Braveheart's/'Where's William?' campaign leaves me a little cold too. I would much rather see more the Morcombe's, and their foundation's, style of activism in relation to William's disappearance; quite frankly.

 

[Eloise]

I know you are, Eloise, and I agree with you after all the years I've been interested in, and studied, aspects of crimes.

I must say the Braveheart's/'Where's William?' campaign leaves me a little cold too. I would much rather see more the Morcombe's, and their foundation's, style of activism in relation to William's disappearance; quite frankly.

Yes. Activism > fundraising.

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[frogwell]

https://www.facebook.com/whereswilliam/

Just had a look at those 1st 2 posts and the rest of the posts that are entered for the 24th of June 2015.
On 24/06/15, there were 23 posts loaded onto that page with that date, from 1.28 pm - 1.53 pm.
Then there were 2 posts entered at 2.48pm and 2.59pm. They are dated 24/06/14 for 7 pm and 25/06/14 for 12pm
On 24/06/15 was the last posting on to that page for the day at 4.57 pm

I can certainly give weight to the idea that when the 1st 2 posts in question were typed in, they were scheduled and the wrong year was entered. Upon seeing the mistake and the result, the user decided to no longer schedule posts to the page. That scenario does seem most likely. Apologies for the protracted scrutiny however it fed into an idea that I just can't shake. You all make perfect sense and as I have stated on previous pages, I can be a Wiley Coyote sometimes. MOO.

 

[Bohemian]

https://www.facebook.com/whereswilliam/

Just had a look at those 1st 2 posts and the rest of the posts that are entered for the 24th of June 2015.
On 24/06/15, there were 23 posts loaded onto that page with that date, from 1.28 pm - 1.53 pm.
Then there were 2 posts entered at 2.48pm and 2.59pm. They are dated 24/06/14 for 7 pm and 25/06/14 for 12pm
On 24/06/15 was the last posting on to that page for the day at 4.57 pm

I can certainly give weight to the idea that when the 1st 2 posts in question were typed in, they were scheduled and the wrong year was entered. Upon seeing the mistake and the result, the user decided to no longer schedule posts to the page. That scenario does seem most likely. Apologies for the protracted scrutiny however it fed into an idea that I just can't shake. You all make perfect sense and as I have stated on previous pages, I can be a Wiley Coyote sometimes. MOO.

No worries. I get it Froggy.

 

[asac]

so a photo could be taken in july at a location with a phone, then in september a photo taken of that photo with another phone, in the same location, which would show when checked as photo being taken at that time and date and location? would this be possible? or would it show straight away as false?
this photo seems to be one of the key pieces of evidence william was there that day, and at the beginning verified this, im sure its since been thoroughly investigated and we dont know whether or not any discrepencies have been found, police strategy to leak tiny bits and keep everything close!
where are you little william?

Whether you're taking a photo of a physical printed photo or trying to take a photo of a photo on the screen of another phone (I think that makes sense...) - yes it's going to be obvious. The light will be all messed up because you'll have the light contained within the original photo and then on top of that you'll have the light interactions with the printed photo or the screen of the camera. It won't look 'right'. And if you're talking about taking a screenshot of a photo on a phone and trying to sell it off as an actual photo - it will also be obvious because the pixels will be off.

From what I've seen I'm quite certain that the roaring photo is the original photo with a child in front of a lens.

 

[wewillgetyou]

I just have a question - why is everyone so suspicious of the Where's William fundraising, that's linked to a VERY reputable organisation ( Bravehearts ) when the Morcombes also did fundraising and it's not frowned upon ? I just don't understand
Both are fundraising to raise money to enable them to continue searching.

Edited to add that obviously the Morcomes arent fundraising for a search now.

 

[they'll get you]

A reminder of what we, the public, are up against.


"Hundreds of journalists, hundreds of police, plenty of people in the community know more than that, but it&#8217;s against the law for any of them &#8211; for any of us - to explain it to you.

It&#8217;s frustrating.

It frankly feels wrong."

Caroline Overington.

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...ver-hear-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-22122

 

[they'll get you]

RSBM

I must say the Braveheart's/'Where's William?' campaign leaves me a little cold too. I would much rather see more the Morcombe's, and their foundation's, style of activism in relation to William's disappearance; quite frankly.

A media ban doesn&#8217;t help.

It makes people think: hey, there&#8217;s something funny going on here. Why can&#8217;t we hear the whole story? What&#8217;s really going on?

It prevents many of the people who love William &#8211; and there are dozens of them - from organizing a proper campaign to bring him home.

The ban means that the public is hearing only part of the story.

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...ver-hear-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-22122

 

[Bohemian]

A reminder of what we, the public, are up against.

"Hundreds of journalists, hundreds of police, plenty of people in the community know more than that, but it&#8217;s against the law for any of them &#8211; for any of us - to explain it to you.

It&#8217;s frustrating.

It frankly feels wrong."

Caroline Overington.

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...ver-hear-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-22122

A media ban doesn’t help.

It makes people think: hey, there’s something funny going on here. Why can’t we hear the whole story? What’s really going on?

It prevents many of the people who love William – and there are dozens of them - from organizing a proper campaign to bring him home.

The ban means that the public is hearing only part of the story.

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...ver-hear-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-22122

I agree, tgy, the Court Suppression Orders and subsequent media ban doesn't help. What leaves me a little cold is that you hardly hear anything regarding William's continued disappearance from Bravehearts other than via SM or online. I have no qualms about the grassroots 'Where's William?' campaign.

How long is it now since anyone spoke out publicly on behalf of William and his family? Surely you can't tell me the mere mention of his name, that it's coming up to his 5th birthday, or the fact that he's still missing and it's almost the second anniversary of his disappearance, is going to see anyone face a hefty fine and/or be thrown in prison. If so, most of us are liable to be arrested at any time. I, for one, would be up for that, if that's what it takes to bring William home to his family.

Maybe it is about time someone such as Bruce Morecombe, Caroline Overington, or even Derryn Hinch, took up the baton on behalf of William and his family and made a helluva lot more noise.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe that those orders are doing little in the way of protecting 'anyone' other than the government of the day; via the department concerned and their agents. You only have to read recent newspaper articles, totally unconnected to William's disappearance, to realise that it's still a broken system.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Couldn't agree more, Bo. Very well said. I wish I could hit the thanks icon several times.

I agree, tgy, the Court Suppression Orders and subsequent media ban doesn't help. What leaves me a little cold is that you hardly hear anything regarding William's continued disappearance from Bravehearts other than via SM or online. I have no qualms about the grassroots 'Where's William?' campaign.

How long is it now since anyone spoke out publicly on behalf of William and his family? Surely you can't tell me the mere mention of his name, that it's coming up to his 5th birthday, or the fact that he's still missing and it's almost the second anniversary of his disappearance, is going to see anyone face a hefty fine and/or be thrown in prison. If so, most of us are liable to be arrested at any time. I, for one, would be up for that, if that's what it takes to bring William home to his family.

Maybe it is about time someone such as Bruce Morecombe, Caroline Overington, or even Derryn Hinch, took up the baton on behalf of William and his family and made a helluva lot more noise.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe that those orders are doing little in the way of protecting 'anyone' other than the government of the day; via the department concerned and their agents. You only have to read recent newspaper articles, totally unconnected to William's disappearance, to realise that it's still a broken system.

 

[Puggle]

Just curious if anybody else whilst researching Williams case....ever looked into any possible connection of the Victorian "Mr Cruel" case......Vic Police 2nd suspect lived in various spots in Melbourne, before moving to a caravan park in Lake Cathie in June 2014. He was said to have married a Canadian lady and has since moved to Canada....

Just curious..as we were lead to believe our POI may have committed crimes in Victoria with Associates.

 

[Puggle]

Ahhh too late to edit above...correction...

This person was said to have left the caravan park in June 2014.

 

[louisepiglet]

The secrecy around William's family situation has done nothing but hurt the chances of him ever being found IMO. From what Caroline Overington said it seems like the secrecy is about something more than the fostering situation. People who only read/listen to only MSM are thinking "its always the parents" because it is usually, and the secrecy makes them think that is the case. They are thinking "why are they hiding their faces, if it were me I would be shouting from the rooftops and getting my face out there". These people lose interest immediately.

 

[Eloise]

I just have a question - why is everyone so suspicious of the Where's William fundraising, that's linked to a VERY reputable organisation ( Bravehearts ) when the Morcombes also did fundraising and it's not frowned upon ? I just don't understand
Both are fundraising to raise money to enable them to continue searching.

Edited to add that obviously the Morcomes arent fundraising for a search now.

I wouldn't say I was suspicious at all. More that something about the tone feels wrong to me and I cant quite articulate why. It might not even be something that can behelped given the rules about what people can say in the media.

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[they'll get you]

RSBM


I must say the Braveheart's/'Where's William?' campaign leaves me a little cold too. I would much rather see more the Morcombe's, and their foundation's, style of activism in relation to William's disappearance; quite frankly.

Daniel Morcombe’s dad critical of gag on William’s parents

The father of murdered teenager Daniel Morcombe has criticised the NSW government’s refusal to allow William Tyrrell’s parents to speak publicly about their son’s disappearance for seven months before this week.

Many, including Daniel’s *father, Bruce, fear the decision may have hindered the police investigation during the crucial weeks following William’s dis*appearance from his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the NSW mid north coast, last September.

Mr Morcombe — whose son Daniel was abducted and murdered in 2003 — said he understood there were rules “but in extreme circumstances … it is time it was opened up”.

He and his wife, Denise, conducted thousands of media interviews about their son after he disappeared, and believe this was vital in helping to generate information that was then followed up by police.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

 

[they'll get you]

Bruce Morcombe's genuine offer to help was ignored!

Mr Morcombe said he had also in February contacted police based close to where William disappeared, offering to help support the boy&#8217;s family or generate publicity for the case, but had not heard back since. &#8220;It was a genuine offer,&#8221; Mr Morcombe said. &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t for me to gain publicity or notoriety, but to offer my assistance in whatever way I could, *either to the family or the police.&#8221;

Detective Inspector Gary *Jubelin, who took over the case in February, said he was not aware of Mr Morcombe&#8217;s offer and would follow it up. He declined to comment on the decision not to allow William&#8217;s parents to speak publicly before now.

A spokesman for NSW police said they had &#8220;received many offers of support in the months since William&#8217;s disappearance. While they have been appreciated and were considered, circumstances meant they were not pursued&#8221;.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

CIRCUMSTANCES ? meant any offers to help were not pursued? WTF ?!?!
Unless there is a covert operation going on, otherwise I cannot fathom their reasoning to ignore the Morcombe's or anyone else's help. :gaah: