Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[Eloise]

Yeah. Something weird about this case even beyond what we already know is weird IMO.

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[1968]

I agree, tgy, the Court Suppression Orders and subsequent media ban doesn't help. What leaves me a little cold is that you hardly hear anything regarding William's continued disappearance from Bravehearts other than via SM or online. I have no qualms about the grassroots 'Where's William?' campaign.

How long is it now since anyone spoke out publicly on behalf of William and his family? Surely you can't tell me the mere mention of his name, that it's coming up to his 5th birthday, or the fact that he's still missing and it's almost the second anniversary of his disappearance, is going to see anyone face a hefty fine and/or be thrown in prison. If so, most of us are liable to be arrested at any time. I, for one, would be up for that, if that's what it takes to bring William home to his family.

Maybe it is about time someone such as Bruce Morecombe, Caroline Overington, or even Derryn Hinch, took up the baton on behalf of William and his family and made a helluva lot more noise.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe that those orders are doing little in the way of protecting 'anyone' other than the government of the day; via the department concerned and their agents. You only have to read recent newspaper articles, totally unconnected to William's disappearance, to realise that it's still a broken system.

good post Bo.

Hinch would know first hand what happens to people who defy the authorities and name protected persons in public. I note with interest his Justice Party is fielding a candidate for the Senate in my electorate. Ahh my pen might be tempted to place a big fat number 1 right there, given one of their platforms is a public register for convicted sex offenders. Not sure how it would have helped in this case except if one of the players who has no name could have been on that register IMO

 

[they'll get you]

Thinking out loud.....

A covert operation like the Morcombe's would have been unlikely so early on.

Or maybe a case or custody battle was already in the courts and could not be spoken about publicly. :thinking:

CIRCUMSTANCES ? meant any offers to help were not pursued?

A spokesman for NSW police said they had “received many offers of support in the months since William’s disappearance. While they have been appreciated and were considered, circumstances meant they were not pursued”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

I JUST DON'T GET IT.

 

[they'll get you]

Do any WSers know a cop or a journalist who might know something?

I'll ask a couple retired cops who might have some knowledge.

I'll definitely remain in Websleuths rules.

 

[Makara]

Thinking out loud.....

A covert operation like the Morcombe's would have been unlikely so early on.

Or maybe a case or custody battle was already in the courts and could not be spoken about publicly. :thinking:

CIRCUMSTANCES ? meant any offers to help were not pursued?

A spokesman for NSW police said they had “received many offers of support in the months since William’s disappearance. While they have been appreciated and were considered, circumstances meant they were not pursued”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

I JUST DON'T GET IT.

Yet the official Where's William Facebook and Braveheart's are out there front and centre soliciting money and selling tacky merchandise! And that is something that really burns my biscuit! I wonder if there is an audit of the finances and if these details are available to the public? That would be good IMO.

 

[louisepiglet]

Yet the official Where's William Facebook and Braveheart's are out there front and centre soliciting money and selling tacky merchandise! And that is something that really burns my biscuit! I wonder if there is an audit of the finances and if these details are available to the public? That would be good IMO.

Reminds me a lot of the McCanns fundraising.

 

[louisepiglet]

Thinking out loud.....

A covert operation like the Morcombe's would have been unlikely so early on.

Or maybe a case or custody battle was already in the courts and could not be spoken about publicly. :thinking:

CIRCUMSTANCES ? meant any offers to help were not pursued?

A spokesman for NSW police said they had “received many offers of support in the months since William’s disappearance. While they have been appreciated and were considered, circumstances meant they were not pursued”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

I JUST DON'T GET IT.

I dont get it either. Do they want to find William or not?

 

[Bohemian]

Daniel Morcombe’s dad critical of gag on William’s parents

The father of murdered teenager Daniel Morcombe has criticised the NSW government’s refusal to allow William Tyrrell’s parents to speak publicly about their son’s disappearance for seven months before this week.

Many, including Daniel’s *father, Bruce, fear the decision may have hindered the police investigation during the crucial weeks following William’s dis*appearance from his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the NSW mid north coast, last September.

Mr Morcombe — whose son Daniel was abducted and murdered in 2003 — said he understood there were rules “but in extreme circumstances … it is time it was opened up”.

He and his wife, Denise, conducted thousands of media interviews about their son after he disappeared, and believe this was vital in helping to generate information that was then followed up by police.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

Bruce Morcombe's genuine offer to help was ignored!

Mr Morcombe said he had also in February contacted police based close to where William disappeared, offering to help support the boy’s family or generate publicity for the case, but had not heard back since. “It was a genuine offer,” Mr Morcombe said. “It wasn’t for me to gain publicity or notoriety, but to offer my assistance in whatever way I could, *either to the family or the police.”

Detective Inspector Gary *Jubelin, who took over the case in February, said he was not aware of Mr Morcombe’s offer and would follow it up. He declined to comment on the decision not to allow William’s parents to speak publicly before now.

A spokesman for NSW police said they had “received many offers of support in the months since William’s disappearance. While they have been appreciated and were considered, circumstances meant they were not pursued”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c

CIRCUMSTANCES ? meant any offers to help were not pursued? WTF ?!?!
Unless there is a covert operation going on, otherwise I cannot fathom their reasoning to ignore the Morcombe's or anyone else's help. :gaah:

Thanks tgy. I'm glad you were able to read and post those two MSM articles. The Australian is resisting all of my attempts to circumvent their @#$&* paywall at the moment. I also remember reading an old online article recently where DI Jubelin said he wasn't aware of Bruce Morcombe's offer of assistance. If I could have anyone in my corner raising a ruckus, it would be Bruce and Denise Morcombe.

 

[Hbayne]

There must be hundreds of people out there who know the identity ect of the families involved. Surely they can't all have a gag order on them. I'm surprised that someone hasn't spoken up ?

 

[Bohemian]

I agree, tgy, the Court Suppression Orders and subsequent media ban doesn't help. What leaves me a little cold is that you hardly hear anything regarding William's continued disappearance from Bravehearts other than via SM or online. I have no qualms about the grassroots 'Where's William?' campaign.

How long is it now since anyone spoke out publicly on behalf of William and his family? Surely you can't tell me the mere mention of his name, that it's coming up to his 5th birthday, or the fact that he's still missing and it's almost the second anniversary of his disappearance, is going to see anyone face a hefty fine and/or be thrown in prison. If so, most of us are liable to be arrested at any time. I, for one, would be up for that, if that's what it takes to bring William home to his family.

Maybe it is about time someone such as Bruce Morecombe, Caroline Overington, or even Derryn Hinch, took up the baton on behalf of William and his family and made a helluva lot more noise.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe that those orders are doing little in the way of protecting 'anyone' other than the government of the day; via the department concerned and their agents. You only have to read recent newspaper articles, totally unconnected to William's disappearance, to realise that it's still a broken system.

It seems Bravehearts' focus is currently on the crisis regarding child protection in family law. While certainly admirable, this does precious little to advocate for William or other children in 'out-of-home' care.

Bravehearts call for royal commission into 'dysfunctional' family law system
ABC News online
By Louisa Rebgetz
Posted Tue (21/06/2016) at 9:41am
Updated Tue (21/06/2016) at 9:50am

'The Family Court system has sent children to live with convicted sex offenders in Queensland, a report by child safety group Bravehearts reveals.

The 277-page report dubbed Abbey's Project in memory of a young girl allegedly driven to suicide by the family court system, examines 15 case studies and calls for a royal commission into the nation's "dysfunctional" system of child protection.

Founder Hetty Johnston said private funding had enabled Bravehearts to compile the report to highlight a system in crisis.

She said many lawyers were reluctant to raise issues of child sexual abuse, because the accusing parent was viewed as vindictive by the Family Court.'

'"We've produced this report to demand that the Federal Government, no matter who is elected, conduct a royal commission into the family law court system," she said.'

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...-sexual-offenders-breavehearts-report/7527776

External link to Abbey's Report:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2866727-Abbey-s-Project-Family-Law-Discussion-Paper.html

Sidebar:

Without wishing to take the focus away from William myself, the following articles go some way to explaining the how I formed the opinion I expressed at the end of my previous post (above). You know a 'system' is in crisis when politicians start throwing money at the 'problem' IMO.

NSW budget 2016: What we know so far
ABC News online
By Andrew Griffits
Updated Mon at 10:40am

'Foster care

The budget will include $560 million to help repair the state's foster care system, which the Government admits is delivering poor outcomes for vulnerable children.

It will be part of a $1 billion package for the state's child protection and Out of Home Care systems.

Minister for Families and Communities Brad Hazzard said the money would fund reforms such as the use of intensive intervention programs aimed at preserving and restoring at-risk families.'

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/nsw-budget-what-we-know-so-far/7509882

Foster care system set for $560m funding boost in NSW budget
ABC News online
Updated Sun at 12:20pm

'Minister for Families and Communities Brad Hazzard said programs would be rolled out which borrow techniques aimed at keeping families together from US states including New York and Illinois.

"The numbers of children in foster care have gone up from around about 6,000 around 15 years ago to around about 20,000 now," he told the ABC.'

'The Government admitted that the number of children in state care is unsustainable, and said $190 million would go towards funding the changes while another $370 million would go towards meeting the growing demand on the system.

But the Opposition said the Government is contributing to a breakdown of the system by privatising foster care services.

"The Government has decided to put child protection into the too-hard basket and completely outsource its statutory responsibility to care for children in the state," Shadow minister for family and community services Tania Mihaluk told the ABC.'

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...tem-set-for-560-million-funding-boost/7523764

 

[they'll get you]

Apr 22, 2015

What the police are unwilling to say publicly is that their investigation has also included those closest to William. Privately, it is known that all family members have been checked and eliminated from the investigation.

And this is yet another baffling aspect of this case. Legal reasons prevent his family being identified. The most that can be said is that William’s family history is complicated. What that means is no press conferences by desperate family members, no call-outs via the media to ask the community to bring home their little
boy – the law simply doesn’t allow it.

“There is a reason for that, but we are bound by the legislation,” says Superintendent Fehon, who is unwilling and unable to go further. “We have to respect that.”

Whatever the reality, such restrictions make reporting a story such as this difficult. It also makes it difficult for the people of Kendall to understand what is happening in their town and gives rise to fear, rumour and innuendo.

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/crime/the-boy-no-one-can-find-20289

 

[Hbayne]

What would be the consequences to ff of speaking out ?

 

[Violet77]

What would be the consequences to ff of speaking out ?

I think it would jeprodise having William's sister in their care.

 

[Eloise]

What would be the consequences to ff of speaking out ?

I'm going to make an assumption that the main consequence would be losing custody of William's sister. Then potential legal action of some kind, but I'm sure the loss of custody would be enough to silence them.

 

[Eloise]

Do any WSers know a cop or a journalist who might know something?

I'll ask a couple retired cops who might have some knowledge.

I'll definitely remain in Websleuths rules.

I mentioned it to a cop (family member) but he just said nah, didn't know anything.
Who knows if true or not? I guess even if he did he isn't going to say.

Also I would trust Dennis Morcombe with my life, so I find it hard to believe Jubelin "didn't know" about his offer (by that I mean I believe Morcombe made the offer, so I don't believe Jubelin really didn't know about it, and if he didn't then the people that should have told him didn't).

Something is definitely weird.

 

[JLZ]

I read an article within the last few days about sexual abuse within the Brethren religious group. Two girls who flouted group rules by reporting the crimes to police were appallingly treated by about everybody they knew or could know. If William's sister was a victim of sexual abuse, perhaps the family and media are trying to protect her from this sort of vilification. If, further, there was a self-contained religious sect involved, the danger could be worse still.

About the 'tacky, commercial' media campaign--it appears that the publicity options are limited for one reason or another and perhaps this is just the best they can do under the circumstances. It also occurred to me that perhaps the foster family have an advertising/marketing background and that when they think of raising awareness about something, these are the methods that naturally occur to them and fit with their habitual strengths.

 

[bearbear]

the morecombes are both publicly known and admired for their fearless determination in finding the truth, with their search for daniel, could that be why their offer of help was declined, in case they unearthed something that needs to be kept secret?
its strange with so many people knowing the truth, according to caroline overington, that nobody has let it slip, even anonymously, what the truth is?

 

[Hbayne]

the morecombes are both publicly known and admired for their fearless determination in finding the truth, with their search for daniel, could that be why their offer of help was declined, in case they unearthed something that needs to be kept secret?
its strange with so many people knowing the truth, according to caroline overington, that nobody has let it slip, even anonymously, what the truth is?

You are bang on there. I can't believe it has managed to be contained without so much as barely a rumour (besides fostering situation) there are so many that would know circumstances. Then again maybe not ????

 

[Karinna]

I'm going to make an assumption that the main consequence would be losing custody of William's sister. Then potential legal action of some kind, but I'm sure the loss of custody would be enough to silence them.

Is "custody" relevent to a fostered child? I would think FP's would be known as "carers" not custodians, which i think refers to people's biological or adopted children? I stand to be corrected though.
Is it a known fact that the FP's still have WT's sister in their care? I was wondering what the legal implications would be in this situation as to how the bio parent/s would feel considering William is still a missing child? Not that from what we have read it is any fault of the FP's but it's a situation nonetheless for the bio parent/s that they may not be comfortable with regarding William's sibling? And if it is even their call i don't know, but they could go through legal channels to find out what their rights would be i would imagine if they wanted to do that?
It's a horrible situation all round no doubt.
And if the bio. mother has a new life i wonder why she wouldn't try to get her children back as that is usually encouraged because fostering is usually only a temporary situation i would think? There is so much not known about the dynamics in this case, and probably never will know.

 

[Eloise]

Is "custody" relevent to a fostered child? I would think FP's would be known as "carers" not custodians, which i think refers to people's biological or adopted children? I stand to be corrected though.
Is it a known fact that the FP's still have WT's sister in their care? I was wondering what the legal implications would be in this situation as to how the bio parent/s would feel considering William is still a missing child? Not that from what we have read it is any fault of the FP's but it's a situation nonetheless for the bio parent/s that they may not be comfortable with regarding William's sibling? And if it is even their call i don't know, but they could go through legal channels to find out what their rights would be i would imagine if they wanted to do that?
It's a horrible situation all round no doubt.
And if the bio. mother has a new life i wonder why she wouldn't try to get her children back as that is usually encouraged because fostering is usually only a temporary situation i would think? There is so much not known about the dynamics in this case, and probably never will know.

I was referring to custody with regards to the colloquial meaning of the term. I believe children in foster care are technically in the custody of the state, and foster parents are acting on behalf of the state.
However, children in long term foster care (where adoption is being looked at) then I think it's a bit different. Being in their care for so long, it wouldn't surprise me if adoption was going to be the eventual outcome of their situation. That's neither here nor there as regards William's situation though I suppose.

Yes, they definitely still have his sister, or did recently. They mentioned in the MSM how they had to talk to her about William.

Yes, it's normal for foster children to be returned to their bio parents even under what many of the general public would see as not ideal circumstances. However some bio parents will altruistically relinquish their children if they believe it is in their child's best interests.