Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[ParaK]

I bet this happens alot......

I think the courts do set some safeguards.......ahhh.... my memory on this isn't to clear...but I think Mr Speding has bail conditions around contact with children. Im certain his grandchildren weren't allowed to reside with him since the time charges were brought up against him. ...

I'm agree, I'm sure there are safeguards and conditions set... Is it enough though? Especially given he is a POI in poor Williams case as well.... Better safe than sorry would be my policy.

 

[Puggle]

I'm agree, I'm sure there are safeguards and conditions set... Is it enough though? Especially given he is a POI in poor Williams case as well.... Better safe than sorry would be my policy.

The laws an arse.....

But I have a hinky feeling he's probably being watched all the time...well I certainly hope he is....

if not physically...... at least electronically through surveillance measures.

 

[crabstick]

I think you are right. I think there is a whole range of reasons that police obviously don't share with the general public as to why he is where he is.

I wonder if someone still has a big bag of mobile phones somewhere?

The laws an arse.....

But I have a hinky feeling he's probably being watched all the time...well I certainly hope he is....

if not physically...... at least electronically through surveillance measures.

 

[Pepper77]

Possible sightings of William in New Zealand:

New Zealand police have investigated two sightings of missing Australian boy William Tyrrell.

Police confirmed on Monday they had been contacted twice regarding sightings of the boy, who was aged 3 when he disappeared in New South Wales in 2014.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...ngs-of-missing-australian-boy-william-tyrrell

 

[Bohemian]

Possible sightings of William in New Zealand:

New Zealand police have investigated two sightings of missing Australian boy William Tyrrell.

Police confirmed on Monday they had been contacted twice regarding sightings of the boy, who was aged 3 when he disappeared in New South Wales in 2014.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...ngs-of-missing-australian-boy-william-tyrrell

Geez, this is news in NZ and not here in Oz? I hope the sighting around New Year's Day was truly genuine. Poor little William. His poor family. This is like Maddie McCann all over again. I don't know whether to get my hopes up or cry.

 

[Bohemian]

Geez, this is news in NZ and not here in Oz? I hope the sighting around New Year's Day was truly genuine. Poor little William. His poor family. This is like Maddie McCann all over again. I don't know whether to get my hopes up or cry.

Oh OK. Only uploaded about 20 minutes ago in NZ paper. Thanks for posting Pepper.

 

[Pepper77]

In all honesty there's hardly been any news at all about William here in NZ, so I was surprised to see this article. I watch Sky News which comes out of Australia, which is how I found about his disappearance and updates thereafter (as well as via here, Daily Mail and online Australian newspapers). I am really hoping that it comes to something after all this time. If it doesn't, we'll likely never hear anything of it again as happens so much here (an article is published announcing someone may have been found, or they've gone missing; and that's the end of it - you never hear anything again [Denise Potter is a prime example]).

Mind you, there were reports of Maddy McCann being seen here too - it caused a right panic at the time (posted for information - not intending to take this thread off topic: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865099).

Apologies for my waffle!

 

[Bohemian]

In all honesty there's hardly been any news at all about William here in NZ, so I was surprised to see this article. I watch Sky News which comes out of Australia, which is how I found about his disappearance and updates thereafter (as well as via here, Daily Mail and online Australian newspapers). I am really hoping that it comes to something after all this time. If it doesn't, we'll likely never hear anything of it again as happens so much here (an article is published announcing someone may have been found, or they've gone missing; and that's the end of it - you never hear anything again [Denise Potter is a prime example]).

Mind you, there were reports of Maddy McCann being seen here too - it caused a right panic at the time (posted for information - not intending to take this thread off topic: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865099).

Apologies for my waffle!

I suppose William's family were informed by investigators. I hope so anyway as an MSM article such is this will probably be picked up here. Every time either a sighting of a missing person is reported, or remains matching their age, etc, are found it must raise their loved ones' hopes and then dash them again if it all comes to nothing. I can't even imagine how they must feel. I feel quite sick after reading the article and William is not my missing little boy. Again, though, thanks for keeping us updated, Pepper. I appreciate it, despite my feelings.

 

[Eloise]

Sightings like this almost always turn out to be nothing, just like the other 'thousands' that have been investigated and been other kids. I mean, WT's looks are very 'standard' for want of a better word. There are three boys in my son's daycare that could be mistaken for WT from far enough away (e.g the other side of a street or whatever) if you wanted to "see" the resemblance badly enough. I'm sure they're just being very truthful in saying they can't rule out that one sighting but that doesn't really mean anything.

I really feel badly for his family who have to hear about these sightings though. It must raise hopes over and over again.

 

[purpleandgreen]

It only takes 1 sighting to turn out to be true and it will turn this case around. Let's hope for that sighting!

Sightings like this almost always turn out to be nothing, just like the other 'thousands' that have been investigated and been other kids. I mean, WT's looks are very 'standard' for want of a better word. There are three boys in my son's daycare that could be mistaken for WT from far enough away (e.g the other side of a street or whatever) if you wanted to "see" the resemblance badly enough. I'm sure they're just being very truthful in saying they can't rule out that one sighting but that doesn't really mean anything.

I really feel badly for his family who have to hear about these sightings though. It must raise hopes over and over again.

 

[crabstick]

Have Williams families any contacts or association with New Zealand? Any of either families? Any of the Speds? What about White Camry man?

Do you need a visa to enter New Zealand on a holiday? Close enough to sail there from the multitude of water courses around where he was taken?

William would now be how old? Wouldnt he be at a point where things might be suspicious?

 

[Pepper77]

Have Williams families any contacts or association with New Zealand? Any of either families? Any of the Speds? What about White Camry man?

Do you need a visa to enter New Zealand on a holiday? Close enough to sail there from the multitude of water courses around where he was taken?

William would now be how old? Wouldnt he be at a point where things might be suspicious?

I don't know if any of William's, or any of the suspects', families or acquaintances are linked to NZ in any way ... I certainly haven't heard or read anything to that effect previously.

Travel between New Zealand and Australia for citizens of both countries is easy. Australian citizens do not need a Visa to visit. The number of Australians moving to New Zealand has increased in recent times (http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11583862) - highly unusual as it's previously been the other way (New Zealanders moving to Australia to chase the big bucks and good life). This is relevant to this thread, as it shows that nobody would think twice of a little Australian kid accompanying an adult (or adults). And yes, traveling the seas between New Zealand and Australia is commonplace, as is traveling to any of the Pacific Islands from either country. New Zealand and Australia are both effectively islands, with an incredible amount of coastlines that a boat could sail into (although, Harbour Masters in both countries would no doubt be on the lookout for any arrivals).

William would now be five years of age - so if he was living in a built-up area (where other people lived and could see and hear him), he would be expected to be going to school, otherwise he would be reported for truancy (that is, if he is in New Zealand).

This is interesting ... I just found a NZ Crimestoppers page for William - I'm not sure how long this has been up:
https://www.crimestoppers-nz.org/media-release/missing-child-william-tyrell

and - this is more interesting - note this paragraph from his Wiki page:
"In early 2015, two passengers and a member of the New Zealand-bound flight crew thought they saw William on their airplane. The police met the aircraft at the airport and soon discovered it was not Tyrrell."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell

I'd never heard of this sighting before. I wonder what it was that led to whomever thinking it was William, and how it was definitely ruled out that it was him? We must bear in mind that William might be using another name now.

 

[Bohemian]

1. I don't know whether BS or any other people mentioned in MSM regarding William's disappearance have connections in NZ but, in light of the above article, this would be sonething worth looking into. To be honest, the thought hadn't really gained any real traction in my mind. I had briefly toyed with the idea that William may have been removed from Australia by boat, especially after the incident when the five Melbourne men were arrested in Cape York allegedly attempting to leave Australia for Syria by that method.

2. New Zealand Immigration: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new...or-a-visa/about-visa/australian-resident-visa

'Australian Resident Visa

Australian citizens and permanent residents can visit, study, work and live in New Zealand. You won’t need to apply for a visa before travelling and can be granted a New Zealand resident visa when you arrive – as long as you meet our character and entry permission requirements when you get here.

Overview

Duration: Indefinitely

All Visa Conditions': https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new...factsheet/conditions/australian-resident-visa

3. An experienced captain and crew of an ocean-going vessel could most certainly sail from Australia to NZ.

4. William is now 5 years old. When you say 'Wouldnt he be at a point where things might be suspicious?' I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean suspicious to William himself or to other people who see William and/or who he's with?

 

[Bohemian]

I don't know if any of William's, or any of the suspects', families or acquaintances are linked to NZ in any way ... I certainly haven't heard or read anything to that effect previously.

Travel between New Zealand and Australia for citizens of both countries is easy. Australian citizens do not need a Visa to visit. The number of Australians moving to New Zealand has increased in recent times (http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11583862) - highly unusual as it's previously been the other way (New Zealanders moving to Australia to chase the big bucks and good life). This is relevant to this thread, as it shows that nobody would think twice of a little Australian kid accompanying an adult (or adults). And yes, traveling the seas between New Zealand and Australia is commonplace, as is traveling to any of the Pacific Islands from either country. New Zealand and Australia are both effectively islands, with an incredible amount of coastlines that a boat could sail into (although, Harbour Masters in both countries would no doubt be on the lookout for any arrivals).

William would now be five years of age - so if he was living in a built-up area (where other people lived and could see and hear him), he would be expected to be going to school, otherwise he would be reported for truancy (that is, if he is in New Zealand).

This is interesting ... I just found a NZ Crimestoppers page for William - I'm not sure how long this has been up:
https://www.crimestoppers-nz.org/media-release/missing-child-william-tyrell

and - this is more interesting - note this paragraph from his Wiki page:
"In early 2015, two passengers and a member of the New Zealand-bound flight crew thought they saw William on their airplane. The police met the aircraft at the airport and soon discovered it was not Tyrrell."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell

I'd never heard of this sighting before. I wonder what it was that led to whomever thinking it was William, and how it was definitely ruled out that it was him? We must bear in mind that William might be using another name now.

Sorry, Pep. I was typing my reply when you were posting yours - great minds think alike, huh?

While I've got you here, do you remember a dangerous sex offender (not sure if he was a CSO or not) who escaped from prison in NZ (North Island, I think but can't be sure) in 2014 and was thought to have travelled to Australia? Was he ever caught?

I vaguely remember reading an MSM article online but I had to do an emergency factory reset on my device and lost my bookmarks. Subsequently, I couldn't find the article when I searched and let it slip from my memory; that is, until now.

 

[Pepper77]

@Bohemian - is this the one you were thinking of? (Shudder ... I hate to think there might be others!):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...ul-bennett-and-simone-wright-caught-in-sydney

Although evil Phillip Smith was from around that time also (ended up in Brazil):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63664358/fugitive-killer-phillip-smith-back-in-nz

 

[Bohemian]

RSBM.

William would now be five years of age - so if he was living in a built-up area (where other people lived and could see and hear him), he would be expected to be going to school, otherwise he would be reported for truancy (that is, if he is in New Zealand).

This is interesting ... I just found a NZ Crimestoppers page for William - I'm not sure how long this has been up:
https://www.crimestoppers-nz.org/media-release/missing-child-william-tyrell

and - this is more interesting - note this paragraph from his Wiki page:
"In early 2015, two passengers and a member of the New Zealand-bound flight crew thought they saw William on their airplane. The police met the aircraft at the airport and soon discovered it was not Tyrrell."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell

I'd never heard of this sighting before. I wonder what it was that led to whomever thinking it was William, and how it was definitely ruled out that it was him? We must bear in mind that William might be using another name now.

The wording of the Crimestoppers' NZ post has me thinking too, Pepper:

'MISSING CHILD - REQUEST FROM AUSTRALIAN POLICE

Three year old William Tyrell

Three year old William Tyrell was snatched from his home in mid-north New South Wales on Friday 12 September. It is possible he has been brought to New Zealand and if so, someone might know of his whereabouts, and might want to (anonymously) let Police know.

For more details please click here (link to NSW POLICE FB page, dated 12 September 2014):

https://www.facebook.com/nswpolicef...19706184/10152439520231185/?type=3&permPage=1

If anyone has any information about William, either ring NZ Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111, or go directly to the NSW Crimestoppers website:'

https://nsw.crimestoppers.com.au

Secondly, I'm not sure if investigators from Strike Force Rosann travelled to NZ to verify that the reported child was or wasn't William. There was another reported sighting of William in Queensland. Again, I'm not sure if investigators travelled there or not. My memory fails me, after all, it's coming up to the second anniversary of William's disappearance.

By now, William may very well have taken an assumed name and be attending school. He could also be home-schooled.

 

[Pepper77]

:rant:

One thing I've noticed is that none of the law enforcements' databases are linked, which is really disappointing. For example - Interpol - where is William on this? (He's not). A worldwide site for the missing needs to be set up, promoted, monitored and updated. In an ideal world police forces in every town, city, state and country would feed into this. I would love to be involved in this, but where on earth would you start? It's just so frustrating that something as powerful as the internet is not being used to its full potential. If it was, we could (hopefully) reunite William and all the other missing little superheroes with their families.

:websleuther:

 

[Bohemian]

@Bohemian - is this the one you were thinking of? (Shudder ... I hate to think there might be others!):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...ul-bennett-and-simone-wright-caught-in-sydney

Although evil Phillip Smith was from around that time also (ended up in Brazil):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63664358/fugitive-killer-phillip-smith-back-in-nz

No, not the couple. It was a man on his own. I do remember reading about the second and it wasn't him as he escaped after William disappeared. The man I'm thinking of may have even been a child murderer; particularly of a young boy. I'm sorry, I'm grasping at straws here.

All I can remember reading is that he had escaped before William went missing and there was a huge manhunt in NZ with police suspecting he may have fled to Australia. I sort of mentally filed it for future reference and bookmarked it just in case. D'oh!

Thanks for searching, Pep, I really appreciate it. Don't worry though - finding the article is my responsibility. It might teach me to back up my data properly before I reset.

 

[crabstick]

1. School age

2. At an age with capacity to communicate with others about his concerns

4. William is now 5 years old. When you say 'Wouldnt he be at a point where things might be suspicious?' I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean suspicious to William himself or to other people who see William and/or who he's with?

 

[crabstick]

If the point arose, a copper only need to do a Google image search to see if match came up. Without global attention it may take an incident to trigger a search

There is other means, and I think databases are now clustered more than ever.

:rant:

One thing I've noticed is that none of the law enforcements' databases are linked, which is really disappointing. For example - Interpol - where is William on this? (He's not). A worldwide site for the missing needs to be set up, promoted, monitored and updated. In an ideal world police forces in every town, city, state and country would feed into this. I would love to be involved in this, but where on earth would you start? It's just so frustrating that something as powerful as the internet is not being used to its full potential. If it was, we could (hopefully) reunite William and all the other missing little superheroes with their families.

:websleuther: