Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #23

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  • #601
In this interview dad says
4:03
I recall seeing him taking all the toys out of Nanas cupboard and bringing them to the play room.................
He was just starting to get into...I think he had already got into his outfit, his spiderman outfit.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k/news-story/a01f0873e1df51515a73d8bfdb0e4f9f

Thanks for that. I know I'm pedantic, but he didn't quite say it for my liking. So if this was before 9.15, before he went to Lakewood, were the kids playing on the bikes in their pyjamas at 9 a.m. in the driveway when the car drove past the driveway at the end of Benaroon Drive?
 
  • #602
I'm thinking William's mother went to help his sister who went to the toilet. Rather than go into that, she said that she made a cup of tea.

Do you, or anyone else, know where the report about William's Grandmother taking his sister to the toilet/bathroom whilst their Mum was making tea originated please? I've searched the web and the only reference I can find is a post on another forum, and on there that the information had come from from an Aboriginal tracker's FB page. TIA.
 
  • #603
a lot of evidence would have been trampled over in those frantic first minutes and if he was abducted by someone living nearby, easily hidden if unconscious, or driven quietly from the area, there will be someone out in that community with a gut feeling, too scared to come forward, it would be quite hard to pluck up courage to call police just because you had noticed drag marks across the lawn that day or your partner was gone for hours without explanation and the car vacuumed etc, especially 2 years later!
 
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Yep. Maybe he did see WT at 10.15. Maybe it was a mistake. MOO

Yes, it could be either. I thought I was hearing and seeing things so just checking. Thanks froggy x
 
  • #607
IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure
9NEWS
6:50pm April 17, 2015



Can anyone else notice Mum turn to Dad and say an almost inaudible, "No."?

Video and full transcript: http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...full-transcript-from-william-tyrrells-parents
No . . . the video I'm seeing, the camera isn't on the parents at that point, it's showing footage of William playing. And I can't hear Mum say "No".
 
  • #608
No . . . the video I'm seeing, the camera isn't on the parents at that point, it's showing footage of William playing. And I can't hear Mum say "No".

I didn't even check the video to see what Bohemian was pointing out. For some reason the link won't play for me. When the video was 1st broadcast in April 2015, I saw it and it was commented upon in previous threads. And it is clear as day.MOO
 
  • #609
At first his mother refused to make the emergency triple-zero call, in disbelief something sinister could have befallen her boy.
'I just collapsed,' she recalled, 'you can't take him.'
His parents cannot be named or identified due to legal reasons.
60 Minutes journalist Michael Usher takes the cameras behind the scenes with investigators working on the case in Strike Force Rosann.
Previously unseen evidence includes a board tracking William's last known movements and connection with suspects.
Seasoned investigator Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin walks Usher through the family property and describes William's disappearance as 'really, really disturbing'.
There's also an admission by a cop recognised as one of Australia's toughest detectives, that children 'don't get taken like this, it doesn't happen'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sightings-reported-three-times-day-place.html
 
  • #610
What I meant by the Lakewood scenario, was that given the details that we know of about WT's disappearance, it seems the most realistic out of all the scenarios being offered IMO. Having said that, when I hear the voices in the interviews of the FP's, I think he was abducted. It is contradictory I know. I have thought about a scenario of a child meeting with an accident, but forensically, I think that would have been discovered sooner than now....Mind you, the 1st detectives were not on the scene until about 2.30pm and it is unknown if the house and surrounds were treated as a crime scene until they got there. That's 4 hours of people walking around that property. I am going by gut feeling now for what it's worth and when I feel there is dishonesty in a situation, for whatever reason, I want to probe. It may be information that the police has been given, but is omitted in the retelling to the public. Besides the parents having a version of what happened that morning, it might be helpful to publish the FGM's version of events or what WT's sister said at that time. I wonder about things like, did a relative or friend pop over that morning and leave before WT disappeared, and it being deemed not necessary to be made public. The logic being why drag them through it when it's obvious they are not involved. I wonder if WT's foster parents developed a relationship with members of WT's bio family outside the policies of FACS and met up, only to have him taken, and believing that the other child might be removed from them, were dishonest about that.... A lot of the interviews seem to be about PR for this couple who were devoted to this child who was a really good boy and he would be horrified to find himself with anyone else. The FM has chastised the public in interviews about moments of that morning she wants to keep private and not share with the world which is reasonable, however there is a certain level of arrogance I detect when she says this as this is an abduction and every detail could have significance. MOO

The FPs were apparently very quickly cleared, within the first day I believe, by the first detective, weren't they? If that is true, then it is possible that much could have been missed/never looked into. For example, on here, over time, we have argued and discussed some of the fine points which have never been stated as fact, things such as... was *any* scent of WT ever found anywhere by the dogs, I know some MSM reports have reported it slightly differently, but perhaps it is left to the individual perception of the reader? Some in the beginning questioned whether it was possible that WT had not even come on that road trip. We happen to not be in a position of knowing anything at all really about the FG. We know she had sold her house, and that she had had surgery, and that she had lost her husband, and that she had previously been an active and well respected member of the community... but we know nothing about her status at the time of WT's disappearance. I don't know that there was even one quote from her in MSM, and if not.. why not? I am wondering if she could have suffered from dementia, and as such, she may not have been aware of who exactly was playing in her yard, etc. I'm not sure how long WT and his sister had been in the foster care of the FPs, or how often they had visited FG before this day? If LE quickly 'cleared' anyone, which precluded them fully considering other possibilities, and the public can't even know who these people are, or where they live, etc... that is deleting a whole pile of 'tips' that otherwise would likely have been called in, imho. Rightly or wrongly, when something horrible like this happens, everyone is under suspicion until the case is solved, and people who might have seen something, heard something, noticed something, are calling in tips... in this case, perhaps none of the FP's neighbours even knew that it was *this* family, their neighbour, who was all over the news with this story.

There have indeed been sooooooooooooo many discrepancies with this story, all along, since the very beginning, with probably every single detail in this case. It struck me as soon as I started reading up on this case. Remember the discussion about the 'photograph', and how some insisted that WT was looking at someone, and who was it? Then we hear that FF left at 9:15am, and the photo was taken at 9:45am, half an hour after he had left. And the neighbour heard 'children' playing in the yard, but didn't see them, wasn't that around 9:30am? And now they were riding their bikes and a car drove by, and now there were also 2 cars parked with their windows open, which apparently FM saw.. and yet a neighbour who arrived home with groceries saw none of this? This case really drives me crazy, and when I read about the handsome detective being struck with the belief that it had to be a pedophile, it made me wonder if that has caused some 'tunnel vision', and could potentially be blocking out other possibilities that should have been seriously looked into, perhaps. All of the bad reporting and soooo many discrepancies sure make it difficult to know *anything* at all for sure about this case. Personally, I feel that the pedophile angle took over at one point, and from there it perhaps 'blossomed' as a major aside, and took away from WT's investigation.

I found it really interesting about the man who lived alone, who sold his home and moved sometime after WT's disappearance, because it sounds like he had experienced some 'heat' and didn't like it. To me, that is a huge red flag. If he had zero to do with WT's disappearance, then there would be nothing to find, right? Who else has moved? So many things to think about.
 
  • #611
hopefully police know exactly what happened to william and just waiting to catch the person/s out in their lie, people getting on with their lives become complacent, not realising they are being watched and probably listened to.
i feel det jubelin is the right man for the job and determined to see this through, i do wonder if the very first team assigned to finding william may have been too quick to discount things possibly because they may know the f/family and locals, when det jubelin came in and took over he stated they were going right back to basics and not discounting anyone or any scenario

i also find it alarming the man who lived alone moving out of the area, i hope he was followed up and cleared
 
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No . . . the video I'm seeing, the camera isn't on the parents at that point, it's showing footage of William playing. And I can't hear Mum say "No".

I didn't even check the video to see what Bohemian was pointing out. For some reason the link won't play for me. When the video was 1st broadcast in April 2015, I saw it and it was commented upon in previous threads. And it is clear as day.MOO

Alternative link:

The moment William went missing: parents speak
AntiPatikCorap
Published 16 April 2015

Duration: 21'37"

https://youtu.be/8YJvNcJvhWU
 
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Alternative link:

The moment William went missing: parents speak
AntiPatikCorap
Published 16 April 2015

Duration: 21'37"

https://youtu.be/8YJvNcJvhWU
I see Mum turn, she opens her mouth and says a syllable, but I can't hear what.

Bohemian, I can't remember where I read about Sister going to the toilet, it may not have been from a creditable source. I also can't remember whether the grandmother accompanying her was mentioned in the same place or whether I only saw that in discussion.
 
  • #614
channel nine just advertised for 6pm news tonight a clip re bs trying to get his historic charges dropped
 
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all i can find now about williams sister going inside to use the bathroom is this, im sure there were previously more articles about it?
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"Other comments say he was playing with his 5 yr old sister. She went in to use the toilet, came back & he was gone - there were people searching up & down the street within 6 mins
(but this is all unconfirmed fb posts)"

thread 29
http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthre...ma-s-Front-Verandah-Mid-North-Coast-NSW/page2



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  • #618
Alternative link:

The moment William went missing: parents speak
AntiPatikCorap
Published 16 April 2015

Duration: 21'37"

https://youtu.be/8YJvNcJvhWU

Did anyone find the full length video? Although the duration says 21 mins it actually goes for 8 mins. Was there a longer version once?
 
  • #619
A little girl died in unusual circumstances in my suburb, enough so that it made the news and the amount of chinese whisper stories that went about were something to behold. I got told a detailed story of events but then what was repeated in the media didn't align with it - until there was a coroner's finding a lot later that summarised accurately the version one person told me. I don't think we will know what happened with the tea making or toilet visiting for sure until there are legal proceedings.
 
  • #620
I do recall quite early on when William first went missing, like day one or two...I thought it was reported the grandmother had gone to 'make a phone call' . This is the impression I had and I remember it stuck in my mind because at that stage they thought he was just missing and I remember thinking of my own children and how when you were on the phone they always got up to mischief.....just my early impression....also I remember early on they said he was playing hide and seek with his sister and the sister came back without him......
 
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