Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

[deugirtni]

Thanks dg. Have tried everything.I keep getting messages about a script, so I just hit 'stop script' a couple of times then go away and do some chores then come back and it works. I've just learnt to be more patient.

I know what message you are talking about. It may not be from this particular site, but another window that you may have open. In any case, when that happens to me, and it keeps happening even when I close what I suspect to be the potentially offending windows, I know I need a reboot (and I hate that because it takes too long, but it works every time).

 

[crabstick]

Without chloroform. It sounds like it needs to be a two person job, at least. Someone to hold the child while another drives a car.

How do you abduct a child on your own, and prevent the child being seen by oncoming cars?

I always pondered, POIs might have been a messenger, either or messengers. They are all from Wellington.

I've been tossing around the hypothesis that two women may have had a hand in William's abduction. TJ's wife Debbie owned a white station wagon similar to the one seen by William's mother. Debbie is good friends with KL who apparently has a similar car to the other car seen by William's mother. And just to make it more interesting KL is a long time friend of William's paternal grandmother Natalie Norris.

Let's suppose that NC learned from her son (William's father) that William and his sister were going to be in Kendall on 12 September 2014. She passed this info onto her friends KL and DG and a plan was hatched. KL and DG would drive their own cars, with NC being a passenger with one of them. Is it feasible to think that William would more readily go with a woman than a man? He didn't really know NC, she's only met him once so there wouldn't be any familiarity there for William. The fact that both KL and NC have been named POI's in the media makes me wonder if something like this could be the case. It's also interesting to note that the police had considered NC as being involved in William's abduction over a year ago and from what I can gather nothing has changed.

Would any of these three women be in fear of the others? Does one of them have a cruel and dominating personality that would render the others silent?

 

[deugirtni]

I've been tossing around the hypothesis that two women may have had a hand in William's abduction. TJ's wife Debbie owned a white station wagon similar to the one seen by William's mother. Debbie is good friends with KL who apparently has a similar car to the other car seen by William's mother. And just to make it more interesting KL is a long time friend of William's paternal grandmother Natalie Norris.

Let's suppose that NC learned from her son (William's father) that William and his sister were going to be in Kendall on 12 September 2014. She passed this info onto her friends KL and DG and a plan was hatched. KL and DG would drive their own cars, with NC being a passenger with one of them. Is it feasible to think that William would more readily go with a woman than a man? He didn't really know NC, she's only met him once so there wouldn't be any familiarity there for William. The fact that both KL and NC have been named POI's in the media makes me wonder if something like this could be the case. It's also interesting to note that the police had considered NC as being involved in William's abduction over a year ago and from what I can gather nothing has changed.

Would any of these three women be in fear of the others? Does one of them have a cruel and dominating personality that would render the others silent?

How do 'we' know that NC has only met WT one time? What did I miss?

 

[Makara]

With today's conversation about William's 'snow white' clean feet, I've included the pic below where it shows that his feet were anything but clean. Not that it really matters one way or another. As was mentioned earlier, he probably took his shoes off while on the verandah and put them on when he went into the yard to play.

 

[crabstick]

I have the bigger picture again Makara. His pants arent wet, there is no grass. I could show you my feet. They are stained. Anyone who walks bare feet, and there is plenty of William, will have stained feet. The deck is linseed coated.

With today's conversation about William's 'snow white' clean feet, I've included the pic below where it shows that his feet were anything but clean. Not that it really matters one way or another. As was mentioned earlier, he probably took his shoes off while on the verandah and put them on when he went into the yard to play.

 

[Hbayne]

I've been tossing around the hypothesis that two women may have had a hand in William's abduction. TJ's wife Debbie owned a white station wagon similar to the one seen by William's mother. Debbie is good friends with KL who apparently has a similar car to the other car seen by William's mother. And just to make it more interesting KL is a long time friend of William's paternal grandmother Natalie Collins

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I have been toying with this same theory aswell although I wasn't aware that NC only met William once.
Let's suppose that NC learned from her son (William's father) that William and his sister were going to be in Kendall on 12 September 2014. She passed this info onto her friends KL and DG and a plan was hatched. KL and DG would drive their own cars, with NC being a passenger with one of them. Is it feasible to think that William would more readily go with a woman than a man? He didn't really know NC, she's only met him once so there wouldn't be any familiarity there for William. The fact that both KL and NC have been named POI's in the media makes me wonder if something like this could be the case. It's also interesting to note that the police had considered NC as being involved in William's abduction over a year ago and from what I can gather nothing has changed.

Would any of these three women be in fear of the others? Does one of them have a cruel and dominating personality that would render the others silent?

I think your theory is pretty bang on to what I have been thinking also. Unaware of her only meeting William once though.

 

[Hbayne]

I think your theory is pretty bang on to what I have been thinking also. Unaware of her only meeting William once though.

And if NC is involved I wonder if it more in spite than for the love of William ?
Comment was meant to be in response to Makaras post re NC theory

 

[crabstick]

One millllliiiiiion dollllllaaaars

I think your theory is pretty bang on to what I have been thinking also. Unaware of her only meeting William once though.

 

[tiddles24]

I've been tossing around the hypothesis that two women may have had a hand in William's abduction. TJ's wife Debbie owned a white station wagon similar to the one seen by William's mother. Debbie is good friends with KL who apparently has a similar car to the other car seen by William's mother. And just to make it more interesting KL is a long time friend of William's paternal grandmother Natalie Collins.

Let's suppose that NC learned from her son (William's father) that William and his sister were going to be in Kendall on 12 September 2014. She passed this info onto her friends KL and DG and a plan was hatched. KL and DG would drive their own cars, with NC being a passenger with one of them. Is it feasible to think that William would more readily go with a woman than a man? He didn't really know NC, she's only met him once so there wouldn't be any familiarity there for William. The fact that both KL and NC have been named POI's in the media makes me wonder if something like this could be the case. It's also interesting to note that the police had considered NC as being involved in William's abduction over a year ago and from what I can gather nothing has changed.

Would any of these three women be in fear of the others? Does one of them have a cruel and dominating personality that would render the others silent?

Very good post, Makara.......2 CARS (one for William & one for William's sister L)......NC the grabber.???

 

[ozazure]

This thread has taken an unfortunate turn ... "clean" feet indicative of the timeline from the parents is suss, ongoing e-hashing of an undiscovered accident when the timeline is tight and the place was went over with a fine toothed comb ...

If you are planning on kidnapping William or his sister, that house really is the perfect location. Compared to a locked day care, or their potentially alarmed suburban house with lots of potential witnesses and much more CCTV, or anywhere the parents took the kids in public, keeping a close eye on them - the Grandmother's house has the benefit of much tree cover and reduced visibility from houses set back from the road, a quick escape into the forest on foot, privacy to secure/obscure William in the car and then a few moment to a major highway where you can travel extremely fast. By the time police were called William could have been 30 or 40km away.

I don't think you'd need chloroform. Have you see Jamie Bulger being led off by the hand, or Carlie Brucia being kidnapped on cctv? Kids and adults are often quite meek in such a scenario. You have to teach your kids to fight and yell, and then many still don't, he was just a little tacker.

 

[deugirtni]

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What if a person takes a photo of a photo?

 

[tiddles24]

What if a person takes a photo of a photo?

:floorlaugh: :rocker: ullhair: THAT IS SO FUNNY.......We need to lighten up at times.....:naughty: :floorlaugh:

 

[Bohemian]

I've been tossing around the hypothesis that two women may have had a hand in William's abduction. TJ's wife Debbie owned a white station wagon similar to the one seen by William's mother. Debbie is good friends with KL who apparently has a similar car to the other car seen by William's mother. And just to make it more interesting KL is a long time friend of William's paternal grandmother Natalie Collins.

Let's suppose that NC learned from her son (William's father) that William and his sister were going to be in Kendall on 12 September 2014. She passed this info onto her friends KL and DG and a plan was hatched. KL and DG would drive their own cars, with NC being a passenger with one of them. Is it feasible to think that William would more readily go with a woman than a man? He didn't really know NC, she's only met him once so there wouldn't be any familiarity there for William. The fact that both KL and NC have been named POI's in the media makes me wonder if something like this could be the case. It's also interesting to note that the police had considered NC as being involved in William's abduction over a year ago and from what I can gather nothing has changed.

Would any of these three women be in fear of the others? Does one of them have a cruel and dominating personality that would render the others silent?

:coffeews: I hadn't thought of those women being involved but NC's MSM interviews (quite a while ago now) and then her and KL's ACA appearances had my 'spidey senses' tingling from the get-go. I'll have to read the MSM articles and watch the TV interviews again. As for DG; 'her' statement seemed kosher but had a bit much of the 'she doth protest too much' vibe about it for my liking.

They wouldn't have to be in fear of one of their number necessarily but there may be reason to fear someone in one of their 'circles'.

Another question, I wonder if they had the loan of a (wasn't it said to be white somewhere?) 4WD?

Hmm... (If I could twitch my nose and skew my imaginary whiskers; I would right about now) :cat:

 

[richieswan]

What if a person takes a photo of a photo?

You could fake the exif data that way, but it would look like a photo of a photo.

The parents have been cleared anyway.

 

[Bohemian]

It seems to me that almost every detail in this case is contradictory in one way or another. I definitely agree with Bohemian when she says that we can only really go by what comes out of the mouths of FPs and police. Hopefully in MSM when police and/or FPs are being 'quoted', they are also accurate quotes, otherwise stuff would likely hit the fan. If we think about only the info that came out of the mouths of police and FPs, we have very very little information. We don't even have which side of the house FM and FGM were sitting on at the time when WT was playing chasies with his sister.

Yeah, we do. The small balcony off the kitchen and laundry:

 

[Bohemian]

Without chloroform. It sounds like it needs to be a two person job, at least. Someone to hold the child while another drives a car.

How do you abduct a child on your own, and prevent the child being seen by oncoming cars?

I always pondered, POIs might have been a messenger, either or messengers. They are all from Wellington.

Yeah, I've been thinking about 'co-perps' since the while chloroform, blanket and boot, gas discussion. Someone to control an unwilling mini-Spiderman on the road to who knows where?

 

[Bohemian]

How do 'we' know that NC has only met WT one time? What did I miss?

I think your theory is pretty bang on to what I have been thinking also. Unaware of her only meeting William once though.

Yes, me too :google:

 

[Bohemian]

I have the bigger picture again Makara. His pants arent wet, there is no grass. I could show you my feet. They are stained. Anyone who walks bare feet, and there is plenty of William, will have stained feet. The deck is linseed coated.

Not sure I understand what you mean, crabby. It's a bit late in the day and my brain is fried.

 

[crabstick]

Same same. EXIF data with some pretty average imagery.

What if a person takes a photo of a photo?

 

[crabstick]

She is in her dressing gown; grandma is in slippers. What time was this photo taken again?

Not sure I understand what you mean, crabby. It's a bit late in the day and my brain is fried.

You put him in the car unrestrained without a baby seat on your own. Asking for trouble isnt it, never mind a copper seeing a child unrestrained without a baby seat. Imagine stopping at the lights.

Yeah, I've been thinking about 'co-perps' since the while chloroform, blanket and boot, gas discussion. Someone to control an unwilling mini-Spiderman on the road to who knows where?