Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

[crabstick]

William should be dirty running in that, so the Spiderman on deck image is before William start his dash back and forth in the backyard.

Yeah, we do. The small balcony off the kitchen and laundry:

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[crabstick]

Accuracy? What time did dad leave? Dad was back in seconds and he did not see any cars leaving the limited road access into Batar creek road etc..

It had already been a tough year for his grandmother. Her husband died in March, she had battled her own illness and relinquished much of her involvement in Kendall's community groups, only recently returning to her beloved lawn bowls.

As William played in the backyard on Friday morning, his mother caught a snap on her phone of him drawing with crayons, his sister behind him and his grandmother on the deck with her slippers just in view. He started a game of "chaseys" with his sister, running around the two-storey Queenslander, when suddenly he was gone.

William's grandmother was sitting out back and saw nothing. His mother had ducked inside to make a cup of tea at the front of the house, with windows that look down Benaroon Drive, and saw nothing.

A neighbour told Fairfax Media that his grandmother came running down Benaroon Drive knocking on doors and asking, "Have you seen my grandson?" The neighbour watched the father, who had been in town running errands (which have been verified by police), arrive back within seconds and start "running around like a mad thing".

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If he wandered into the prickly scrub on the edges of Benaroon Drive, he left no threads or markings. "Even our heavy overalls have been tearing in this bush," Superintendent Fehon said.

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[Bohemian]

This thread has taken an unfortunate turn ... "clean" feet indicative of the timeline from the parents is suss, ongoing e-hashing of an undiscovered accident when the timeline is tight and the place was went over with a fine toothed comb ...

If you are planning on kidnapping William or his sister, that house really is the perfect location. Compared to a locked day care, or their potentially alarmed suburban house with lots of potential witnesses and much more CCTV, or anywhere the parents took the kids in public, keeping a close eye on them - the Grandmother's house has the benefit of much tree cover and reduced visibility from houses set back from the road, a quick escape into the forest on foot, privacy to secure/obscure William in the car and then a few moment to a major highway where you can travel extremely fast. By the time police were called William could have been 30 or 40km away.

I don't think you'd need chloroform. Have you see Jamie Bulger being led off by the hand, or Carlie Brucia being kidnapped on cctv? Kids and adults are often quite meek in such a scenario. You have to teach your kids to fight and yell, and then many still don't, he was just a little tacker.

I think this happens on many threads, ozazure, and William's is no exception. I think it's a function of there sometimes being a fluid group of posters to his thread who might have missed out on some of the finer points of the case. Even DCI Jubelin et al have said William's is a unique case. Over the past two years, we've been through many scenarios; starting with 'little boy lost', recovery operations, property searches and seizures of 'evidence', POIs who have been convicted or charged with child sex offences, suggestions of 'paedophile rings' being responsible, surprised with the revelations of four cars 'of interest', and likewise William's BGM and her 'best friend's' connection to POIs in the area surrounding the site of William's abduction. That's a lot for people to understand and put into context.

As you say, William's FGM's house was the 'perfect' site for an abduction or kidnapping for all of the reasons you stated. We have a good idea of the When?, Where?, What? and, possibly the How?; but we still don't know the Who? or the Why?; the hardest of the 6Ws to answer. Was it a planned kidnapping where William may have a chance of remaining alive, or was it a random opportunistic abduction with the likelihood he is now deceased?

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I just watched the video of those two evil boys lead Jamie Bulger away to his horrible end, just metres from his mother at the butcher's shop. I know from my own experience as a child just how easy it is to be led away by someone who means to do you harm. I imagine much the same happened to Daniel Morcombe. Yes, we do have to teach our children to run, fight, scream, bite, scratch or whatever else they can do to get away from a predator but; sadly that's just what Daniel did (according to the scum who took his life) and he was strangled to death by that freak as a result. As for poor little Jamie Bulger, people saw him being punched and kicked by those two monsters, he had bruises and was wailing; but still no-one intervened.

So, all in all, regardless of the site or the child; these predators will find a way to get their hands on our children and grandchildren. It's up to us to be as watchful as we can possibly be, to protect children in general, and when these b******* are found, lock them up and throw away the keys. For the term of their natural lives.

 

[frogwell]

I think this happens on many threads, ozazure, and William's is no exception. I think it's a function of there sometimes being a fluid group of posters to his thread who might have missed out on some of the finer points of the case. Even DCI Jubelin et al have said William's is a unique case. Over the past two years, we've been through many scenarios; starting with 'little boy lost', recovery operations, property searches and seizures of 'evidence', POIs who have been convicted or charged with child sex offences, suggestions of 'paedophile rings' being responsible, surprised with the revelations of four cars 'of interest', and likewise William's BGM and her 'best friend's' connection to POIs in the area surrounding the site of William's abduction. That's a lot for people to understand and put into context.

As you say, William's FGM's house was the 'perfect' site for an abduction or kidnapping for all of the reasons you stated. We have a good idea of the When?, Where?, What? and, possibly the How?; but we still don't know the Who? or the Why?; the hardest of the 6Ws to answer. Was it a planned kidnapping where William may have a chance of remaining alive, or was it a random opportunistic abduction with the likelihood he is now deceased?

I just watched the video of those two evil boys lead Jamie Bulger away to his horrible end, just metres from his mother at the butcher's shop. I know from my own experience as a child just how easy it is to be led away by someone who means to do you harm. I imagine much the same happened to Daniel Morcombe. Yes, we do have to teach our children to run, fight, scream, bite, scratch or whatever else they can do to get away from a predator but; sadly that's just what Daniel did (according to the scum who took his life) and he was strangled to death by that freak as a result. As for poor little Jamie Bulger, people saw him being punched and kicked by those two monsters, he had bruises and was wailing; but still no-one intervened.

So, all in all, regardless of the site or the child; these predators will find a way to get their hands on our children and grandchildren. It's up to us to be as watchful as we can possibly be, to protect children in general, and when these b******* are found, lock them up and throw away the keys. For the term of their natural lives.

OT, that's where I differ in the Bulger case, it seems, to the majority of people who look at that case. I don't think those children were evil, I think there's an antecedants to each action and mostly, people don't care to discover what that is. I found the perpetrators parents, the English population baying for those kids blood, and the judicial system to all be a pack of cowards. There was a similar case in Norway, where 2 boys killed a little girl, and when they were able to get the boys to confess, even the cops were crying with them, all the town felt a responsibility to understand how this had come about and I understand that even the victims mother showed them some forgivenesss, they were not jailed and integrated back into the community. MOO

I think it's obvious I've hit the wall with this case, thoroughly annoyed, might have a break, keep up the good sleuthing everyone.

 

[crabstick]

Yeah, inconsistencies

News sources that we rely on for facts, with sources, which sends us off on a tangent when we get a lazy artistic journalist.

As William played in the backyard on Friday morning, his mother caught a snap on her phone of him drawing with crayons, his sister behind him and his grandmother on the deck with her slippers just in view. He started a game of "chaseys" with his sister, running around the two-storey Queenslander, when suddenly he was gone.

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This thread has taken an unfortunate turn ... "clean" feet indicative of the timeline from the parents is suss, ongoing e-hashing of an undiscovered accident when the timeline is tight and the place was went over with a fine toothed comb ...

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[crabstick]

Hang on, hang on, What do you mean by suss? Can you be specific what you mean by 'e-hashing'

This thread has taken an unfortunate turn ... "clean" feet indicative of the timeline from the parents is suss, ongoing e-hashing of an undiscovered accident when the timeline is tight and the place was went over with a fine toothed comb ...
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[Makara]

In one of the earlier interviews with William's parents his mother explained about the photo. Who was there and what William was actually doing. This was the first we learned about his tiger roar face. It was all discussed in previous threads right down to the brand of washing powder on the laundry window! The laundry window also reflects who was standing in front of William when the photo was taken. All of this is in previous threads.

The fact that Gary Jubelin has stated, not once but many times. that William's family are not involved should be enough for us to leave it at that. We the public are constantly prompted to phone Crime Stoppers if we know anything so if anyone feels that the parents are involved, perhaps phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 

[Makara]

You could fake the exif data that way, but it would look like a photo of a photo.

The parents have been cleared anyway.

I really couldn't give a stuff about all of the EXIF data Richie but your photo of the pelican is beautiful.

 

[frogwell]

I really couldn't give a stuff about all of the EXIF data Richie but photo of the pelican is beautiful.

I hear ya sista. lol

 

[richieswan]

I really couldn't give a stuff about all of the EXIF data Richie but photo of the pelican is beautiful.

What if I told you it's not a pelican

 

[Makara]

What if I told you it's not a pelican

But you're not going to tell me that are you? :scared: If it's a statue of a pelican, it's still a pelican. I love pelicans. EXIF Data not so much.

 

[richieswan]

But you're not going to tell me that are you? :scared: If it's a statue of a pelican, it's still a pelican. I love pelicans. EXIF Data not so much.

Ok it is a pelican.

 

[Makara]

Ok it is a pelican.

Phew! You had me worried there for a minute. I had to go back and scrutinise the bejeesus out of that photo. :floorlaugh:

 

[Hbayne]

Photo verified. Parents cleared.

 

[Bohemian]

OT, that's where I differ in the Bulger case, it seems, to the majority of people who look at that case. I don't think those children were evil, I think there's an antecedants to each action and mostly, people don't care to discover what that is. I found the perpetrators parents, the English population baying for those kids blood, and the judicial system to all be a pack of cowards. There was a similar case in Norway, where 2 boys killed a little girl, and when they were able to get the boys to confess, even the cops were crying with them, all the town felt a responsibility to understand how this had come about and I understand that even the victims mother showed them some forgivenesss, they were not jailed and integrated back into the community. MOO

I think it's obvious I've hit the wall with this case, thoroughly annoyed, might have a break, keep up the good sleuthing everyone.

I don't want you to leave William's thread. I, for one, value your contributions; even if sometimes I don't agree with them.
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As for the two boys in Jamie's case, I can't think of any other way to describe what they did as anything other than evil and monstrous. I know about the trauma these child perpetrators are often subjected to within their own families, froggy, and thus the propensity for the development of personality disorders. I try to have compassion for them but my compassion for their victims outweighs it. I know one boy responded well to therapy and is apparently living a quiet life. The other still brags about his crime and so has been given four new identities. He has also been jailed for breaching the conditions of his release (and alleged possession of child ).

 

[crabstick]

Well I hope no one has been presumptuous in insinuating Im insinuating the FP are involved.

If one of the experts could post a 'definitive' timeline from when 'father' left, when the deck shot was taken, up till the 10:30 discovery by FGM? That would be cool. Because the media sure as hell are not reliable and 10:30 onwards has been done to death. After 10.30am is useless to me.

I spent my morning on a bog slow server explaining to someone that the EXIF CANNOT be faked.

A leg up would be great thanks. Waiting on 'definitive' timeline from when dad left.. Thankyou.

In one of the earlier interviews with William's parents his mother explained about the photo. Who was there and what William was actually doing. This was the first we learned about his tiger roar face. It was all discussed in previous threads right down to the brand of washing powder on the laundry window! The laundry window also reflects who was standing in front of William when the photo was taken. All of this is in previous threads.

The fact that Gary Jubelin has stated, not once but many times. that William's family are not involved should be enough for us to leave it at that. We the public are constantly prompted to phone Crime Stoppers if we know anything so if anyone feels that the parents are involved, perhaps phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 

[kiwi50]

In one of the earlier interviews with William's parents his mother explained about the photo. Who was there and what William was actually doing. This was the first we learned about his tiger roar face. It was all discussed in previous threads right down to the brand of washing powder on the laundry window! The laundry window also reflects who was standing in front of William when the photo was taken. All of this is in previous threads.

The fact that Gary Jubelin has stated, not once but many times. that William's family are not involved should be enough for us to leave it at that. We the public are constantly prompted to phone Crime Stoppers if we know anything so if anyone feels that the parents are involved, perhaps phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

If it's good enough for Jubelin to dismiss the FPs, that's good enough for me. I only suspected them for about the first five minutes of hearing about the case, only because it usually is parents.
The first picture I saw of William was an obviously well loved little boy having an awesome birthday. Then one only had to see the totally distraught dad racing in and out of properties.
From then on I have never doubted tbeir story.
I see nothing suspicious at all about them.

 

[Bohemian]

Photo verified. Parents cleared.

Is the pelican cleared?

 

[Hbayne]

Is the pelican cleared?

Well the pelican won't speak up !!

 

[Bohemian]

She is in her dressing gown; grandma is in slippers. What time was this photo taken again?

I'm not sure. You'd have to check the police interview with the FP or the 60 Minutes program on richieswan's youtube channel. (I think Makara also posted them in William's Media Timeline thread.)

You put him in the car unrestrained without a baby seat on your own. Asking for trouble isnt it, never mind a copper seeing a child unrestrained without a baby seat. Imagine stopping at the lights.

Agree, if William was non-compliant. If he was compliant; that's a whole different situation. It would also depend on escape route.