Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[crabstick]

Addressing media in Queensland, she said restrictions on carers and parents when a foster child went missing were actually making them targets for predators.

“They can target these particular kids because they are far more vulnerable than any other and response to their disappearance is less than adequate,” she said.

“If someone stole your child you’d be all over the place in 30 seconds and you’d be allowed to by law — but these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that. Make no mistake.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/0bc47ce7fa11ad5a68b697979202a76d

 

[frogwell]

Addressing media in Queensland, she said restrictions on carers and parents when a foster child went missing were actually making them targets for predators.

“They can target these particular kids because they are far more vulnerable than any other and response to their disappearance is less than adequate,” she said.

“If someone stole your child you’d be all over the place in 30 seconds and you’d be allowed to by law — but these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that. Make no mistake.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/0bc47ce7fa11ad5a68b697979202a76d

Well, it's an interesting comment from Hetty Johnston and I guess she would be so familiar with the types of restrictions that may be endangering children and may also be playing out in the WT case. In the Tialeigh instance, the alleged murderer is the carer. I wonder if legislation had been different and the carers fronted the camera from day 1, if they might have been identified quicker. Mind you, police did a good job on this case. MOO

 

[stormyseas]

BS in court next week...

https://dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au/EFAS/CaseCRI?CaseID=88201335

 

[bearbear]

april 7 2015 telegraph article.........do they think hes dead?

THEY are the young faces of some of Sydney’s most baffling unsolved crimes
As homicide detectives continue the search for little William Tyrell, who disappeared on the NSW mid north coast last year, a team of investigators are still painstakingly sifting through every piece of evidence to help solve dozens of other cases involving missing children in NSW.
Some were babies, others teenagers, when they simply vanished without a trace.
And without a body and crime scene to examine, the question remains: are they missing or murdered?
The NSW Unsolved Homicide Team is responsible for investigating the suspicious disappearance of 16 children, all of whom are now feared dead
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...w/news-story/ed1f5129392099a484179e1b3e1bc447

 

[deugirtni]

Paywalled, dg. Are you able to summarise the main points? Thanks in advance.

The heading for that story (dated April 2015) with the comment is shown below. Morcombe was advocating for loosening of the laws and greater disclosure being allowed when urgent situations such as missing foster children arise. If you google the title, or even the few words in the comment section, it will give you a link, and you may be able to access it via that route (I was, even though I couldn't by any other means).

[h=1]Daniel Morcombe’s dad critical of gag on William’s parents[/h]

 

[deugirtni]

weird if there was originally no scent (anywhere?) reported, surely the mcdonalds visit would have been caught on cctv the day before?

i truly wonder if they bothered to check and perhaps thought it unnecessary.

 

[deugirtni]

There may also be no history of family contact as it's possible the families did not communicate with each other. therefore there is no history of family conflict. MOO

i have seen at least one photo which appears to be rather current which shows the 3 remaining children from this one bio mom, all together.. so from that, it seems clear that visits are happening.. and from that I am assuming there is communication between the 2 families also happening. jmo

 

[deugirtni]

Would there be such restrictions on ff and bio parents being so anonymous if that were the case though . If it was all so amicable and open then I would think that these incredibly strict reasons for anonymity may have been a little more lax.

i think if children are voluntarily placed in care, they would have a similar contract in certain respects, and i believe the reasons for the anonymity would still be relevant in such a case. jmo

 

[crabstick]

McDonalds would still have that imagery. But it would also mean the image taken the morning William disappeared was manufactured. I have enough confidence in police 'detectives' that they have checked this. The image cant be forged. The minute Williams image is modified, the image EXIF data reflects this in a number of ways that can be checked by police.

I think we have to take reports from broader scope of reports rather than one source as some of the journalism has been a bit murky and artistic.

weird if there was originally no scent (anywhere?) reported, surely the mcdonalds visit would have been caught on cctv the day before?

these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...b697979202a76d

 

[crabstick]

Crikies, 5 children is a big job. William had a 'complex' family life

One must remember though, William resided in Sydney. How far was the drive up to FGMs?

i have seen at least one photo which appears to be rather current which shows the 3 remaining children from this one bio mom, all together.. so from that, it seems clear that visits are happening.. and from that I am assuming there is communication between the 2 families also happening. jmo

 

[Bohemian]

McDonalds would still have that imagery. But it would also mean the image taken the morning William disappeared was manufactured. I have enough confidence in police 'detectives' that they have checked this. The image cant be forged. The minute Williams image is modified, the image EXIF data reflects this in a number of ways that can be checked by police.

I think we have to take reports from broader scope of reports rather than one source as some of the journalism has been a bit murky and artistic.



these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...b697979202a76d

Your link's broken crabby. When copying and pasting from a post on WS you have use the 'Copy Link' function and copy the link separately to the text. If you copy the block of text with the link embedded in it the link will become broken.

Here it is for everyone else:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/0bc47ce7fa11ad5a68b697979202a76d

 

[frogwell]

i have seen at least one photo which appears to be rather current which shows the 3 remaining children from this one bio mom, all together.. so from that, it seems clear that visits are happening.. and from that I am assuming there is communication between the 2 families also happening. jmo

I just thought the visits with the children may have always been at a FACS centre, or with a case worker but the 2 families not meeting.

 

[frogwell]

Crikies, 5 children is a big job. William had a 'complex' family life

One must remember though, William resided in Sydney. How far was the drive up to FGMs?

about 4 hours away.

 

[Bohemian]

i have seen at least one photo which appears to be rather current which shows the 3 remaining children from this one bio mom, all together.. so from that, it seems clear that visits are happening.. and from that I am assuming there is communication between the 2 families also happening. jmo

4 in total; not 5.

 

[Warshawski]

Crikies, 5 children is a big job. William had a 'complex' family life

i think it's Four children Crabby

 

[ozazure]

All the photos I have seen appear to have been in public.

 

[curious one]

Crikies, 5 children is a big job. William had a 'complex' family life

i think it's Four children Crabby

It's possible there is a 5th.

The first reports said he was with his younger sister.

Google
"william tyrell" "younger sister"

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455

William, who is from Sydney, travelled with his parents and younger sister to Kendall the day before his disappearance to stay with his grandmother, who lives on a quiet, dead-end road just outside the town.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz4N3RszpSm

When William Tyrell's younger sister walks into a room, she often asks 'Has anyone seen my brother?'

There may be a photo floating around when William, his sister LT and bio mum were on a picnic, and you can see what appears to be an older girl lying down, photo taken from behind so you just see her back.

 

[deugirtni]

McDonalds would still have that imagery. But it would also mean the image taken the morning William disappeared was manufactured. I have enough confidence in police 'detectives' that they have checked this. The image cant be forged. The minute Williams image is modified, the image EXIF data reflects this in a number of ways that can be checked by police.

I think we have to take reports from broader scope of reports rather than one source as some of the journalism has been a bit murky and artistic.



these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...b697979202a76d

I doubt if even McD's would save a video recording of every minute in every location for 2 years, unless there was an event which occurred which needed to be saved (such as a robbery or a holdup or something)? i think it would have had to have been checked quickly to ensure it didn't get overwritten. jmo.

As much as police are great and do an excellent job, there is nothing wrong with crossing t's and dotting i's, especially when it comes to a missing 3 year old child. It doesn't have to mean that police doubted the validity of the cellphone photo, but rather, that they were just being thorough, which is actually what they are supposed to do. again, jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

Crikies, 5 children is a big job. William had a 'complex' family life

One must remember though, William resided in Sydney. How far was the drive up to FGMs?

Nowhere did it or I say anything about 5 children. I said the 3 'remaining' children, which are the bio mom's 4 children minus WT, who is missing. Also, the bio family and the ff both live in Sydney, allowing for easy visits.

 

[deugirtni]

I just thought the visits with the children may have always been at a FACS centre, or with a case worker but the 2 families not meeting.

The pics that I have seen have all appeared to have been taken in public places, with happy children. I know that here, which is not in oz, our FACS system encourages communication between fosters and bios. Sometimes the relationships are horrible and filled with constant rife and notes must constantly be taken and meetings held and etc. Other times it's just amicable. And other times it's actually a good relationship, at least while things are going according to a mutually acceptable plan/arrangement. But if something were to change, such as perhaps taking the children out of the country, for example, that could quickly change the pleasantries into something else.

Just as a note, and speaking from experience having been a fp over *here* for a few years (so it *may* be different over there, don't know?), the visits normally do happen at a FACS centre (or sometimes in the fp's own home with the fp as 'supervisor' of the visit). However, if a bio family is preparing for the transition of getting their kids back, or if the placement is done on a voluntary basis, the parents are allowed to have visits unsupervised, and take them to their homes, or on outings, etc. Even for overnight visits. Having seen photos of the 3 'remaining' children of the bio mom visiting together in a public place, is another reason why i am considering the possibility that bio mom may have willingly put her 2 kids into care for whatever reason(s) she had.