Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[SouthAussie]

btw No implanted chip for me *adjusts tinfoil hat to jaunty new angle*

Can you believe that you can buy a kit and self-insert a chip into your own body! They spoke of this on the Hack program too. Shudder.

 

[Bohemian]

i was just thinking of this but it would have to be placed somewhere it couldnt be cut out easily
but just for paedophiles,
not for the general population

I could think of somewhere. For RSOs anyway

 

[Bohemian]

Can you believe that you can buy a kit and self-insert a chip into your own body! They spoke of this on the Hack program too. Shudder.

Yeah nuts. Just like 'microchipping' our companion animals. It's also been suggested to implant them in newborns. Big Brother indeed. RFID chips are different to your garden variety GPS tracking devices I believe. Crabby will give us the tech. I can't. Braindead today.

 

[frogwell]

After reading books such as 1984 whilst growing up, I always wondered how the idea of a chip or some other part of ourselves being attached to an outside controlling force would come about. I thought populations were forewarned about the possible ramifications of such a thing and I thought people aren't stupid. Now I realise it only takes a couple of generations to reframe things for kids and those of us who remember another way of living will die out within 50 years. Not long at all. The arguments around such devices are about safety vs. freedom. People want safety, they have unrealistic expectations that risk in life can be reduced to almost nought. To live freely, is to live bravely. To want peace but prepared to fight for your life and survive if you are under attack. Sometimes I almost visualise western society, like the french aristocracy before the revolution, completely out of touch with the pain and suffering of the starving and poor and having a complete disconnect that they are responsible for it, and oblivious to their rage. MOO

 

[frogwell]

We talk about 'grooming" by pedo's, but have any of you noticed the coercion and social pressure to have a swipe and go card? The more they are used, it won't be long before someone says, "let's just get an implant" and most people will go for it. I get crappy looks each time I pull out my keycard from my wallet and swipe and put in my pin number. I have been told that one of the strongest forces on Earth after gravity is society. It won't be long before I don't have the option of a keycard, I am sure. MOO

 

[Wexford]

We talk about 'grooming" by pedo's, but have any of you noticed the coercion and social pressure to have a swipe and go card? The more they are used, it won't be long before someone says, "let's just get an implant" and most people will go for it. I get crappy looks each time I pull out my keycard from my wallet and swipe and put in my pin number. I have been told that one of the strongest forces on Earth after gravity is society. It won't be long before I don't have the option of a keycard, I am sure. MOO

True that. How long since you had a passbook?

 

[Wexford]

Can you believe that you can buy a kit and self-insert a chip into your own body! They spoke of this on the Hack program too. Shudder.

Probably just like dermals...maybe they will come in fashion colours??

 

[frogwell]

True that. How long since you had a passbook?

LOL.Kids have them for school banking, I might start using that system.

 

[crabstick]

People are put them in themselves which says a lot about the care factor. But RIFD can be active or non active. A smartphone can scan the RFID chip for post prison offenders. RFID with a smartphone that sends off the "GPS location via" mobile phone data especially now Skymuster is up. Cut out the device and you get 10 years no parole on top of any other offence.
With the right procedures it is doable even for home detention as a post imprisonment sentence.
RFID is used in cattle management etc. Serious offenders can have purpose built devices.

Facial recognition means authorities don't need an RFID in you any rate.

No doubt there will be do gooders that question that privacy, but they must be questioned too over the right to safe children.
But the technology is there, and if you are a serious offender then you relinquish that right of privacy for life or be in prison.

I have a tattoo that services can run through a database in the event of an emergency.

 

[Bohemian]

After reading books such as 1984 whilst growing up, I always wondered how the idea of a chip or some other part of ourselves being attached to an outside controlling force would come about. I thought populations were forewarned about the possible ramifications of such a thing and I thought people aren't stupid. Now I realise it only takes a couple of generations to reframe things for kids and those of us who remember another way of living will die out within 50 years. Not long at all. The arguments around such devices are about safety vs. freedom. People want safety, they have unrealistic expectations that risk in life can be reduced to almost nought. To live freely, is to live bravely. To want peace but prepared to fight for your life and survive if you are under attack. Sometimes I almost visualise western society, like the french aristocracy before the revolution, completely out of touch with the pain and suffering of the starving and poor and having a complete disconnect that they are responsible for it, and oblivious to their rage. MOO

All is not lost. There are prophets still froggy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

 

[Bohemian]

People are put them in themselves which says a lot about the care factor. But RIFD can be active or non active. A smartphone can scan the RFID chip for post prison offenders. RFID with a smartphone that sends off the "GPS location via" mobile phone data especially now Skymuster is up. Cut out the device and you get 10 years no parole on top of any other offence.
With the right procedures it is doable even for home detention as a post imprisonment sentence.
RFID is used in cattle management etc. Serious offenders can have purpose built devices.

Facial recognition means authorities don't need an RFID in you any rate.

No doubt there will be do gooders that question that privacy, but they must be questioned too over the right to safe children.
But the technology is there, and if you are a serious offender then you relinquish that right of privacy for life or be in prison.

I have a tattoo that services can run through a database in the event of an emergency.

I knew we could count on you, crabby. Thank you. Hmm...tattoo huh?

 

[bearbear]

I could think of somewhere. For RSOs anyway

haha!! thats exactly where i was thinking!

 

[SouthAussie]

These are the kind of sentences we need to see here! . :stormingmad:
What would we he have got here? A slap on the wrist? A few months in jail?


A MELBOURNE rugby player caught attempting to pay US$260 (AU$342) to rape a six-year-old boy at a paedophile party in a US hotel room has been sentenced to 12 years’ jail.

“If you give me a second chance I won’t let you down,” he told US District Court Judge John Walter.

But the judge showed little leniency, sentencing Quinn to the term prosecutors had asked for — not what Quinn’s lawyer requested.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...s/news-story/6e0fe3f0735d24776f2b774c87d48f74

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/3...n-jailed-for-12-years-in-united-states/#page1

'Absolutely disgusting': Rugby-playing child predator jailed in U

Michael Quinn, 33, an IVF geneticist (not only scrap metal dealers ...) from Melbourne, was arrested in May in LA during a rugby union trip to the US at a sting set up by officers, who posed as paedophiles and a pimp offering to supply him with a boy to rape for $US250 ($A328).

The veteran judge described Quinn's desire to attend what Quinn believed was a pedophile party at an LA hotel room and pay a pimp to allow him to rape a young boy as "absolutely disgusting", "ghastly" and "despicable".

"Aussie perv, heading to the US late May/June interested to meet others while I'm there. LA, Nashville, NYC," Quinn posted on a social media site used by pedophiles.

Assistant US lawyer Joey Blach wrote in a sentencing memorandum filed to the court: "Despite the friendly congenial mask [the] defendant showed to the world, [the] defendant lived a secret life online".

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3223730...ravelled-to-us-for-sex-with-young-boys/#page1

The disturbing confessions were made during online exchanges between 33-year-old Michael John Quinn and Homeland Security Agent Aaron McLellan, who posed as three separate pedophile ‘pervs’ to trap Quinn during a trip to the US. (Don't know if it is okay and smart to name the Homeland Security Agent in the media ....?)

Quinn, an accomplished geneticist who worked for a major IVF clinic in Victoria, responded by saying: “Yep - an Aussie fella here... I'm awake and very keen for some hot action”.

He also told the officers he was planning on visiting the US within the month and wanted to make plans to “meet up with a dad who shares his young ones”. (Had been the most "safe" method I think: a father with sons. No fear of becoming known to police.) :tantrum: :banghead:

 

[SouthAussie]

Quinn, an accomplished geneticist who worked for a major IVF clinic in Victoria, responded by saying: “Yep - an Aussie fella here... I'm awake and very keen for some hot action”.

He also told the officers he was planning on visiting the US within the month and wanted to make plans to “meet up with a dad who shares his young ones”. (Had been the most "safe" method I think: a father with sons. No fear of becoming known to police.) :tantrum: :banghead:

The sick thing about your BBM is this ..... (my BBM)

Quinn, whose ankles were shackled, wept throughout his sentencing and claimed it was the first time he had attempted to prey on a child.
http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...s/news-story/6e0fe3f0735d24776f2b774c87d48f74


So, either it was NOT his first time, or he researched to find out the 'safest' way (for him) to abuse a small boy.
I don't think he fooled the judge one little bit. Sniveling for himself.

 

[Bohemian]

These are the kind of sentences we need to see here! . :stormingmad:
What would we he have got here? A slap on the wrist? A few months in jail?


A MELBOURNE rugby player caught attempting to pay US$260 (AU$342) to rape a six-year-old boy at a paedophile party in a US hotel room has been sentenced to 12 years’ jail.

“If you give me a second chance I won’t let you down,” he told US District Court Judge John Walter.

But the judge showed little leniency, sentencing Quinn to the term prosecutors had asked for — not what Quinn’s lawyer requested.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...s/news-story/6e0fe3f0735d24776f2b774c87d48f74

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/3...n-jailed-for-12-years-in-united-states/#page1

'Absolutely disgusting': Rugby-playing child predator jailed in U

Michael Quinn, 33, an IVF geneticist (not only scrap metal dealers ...) from Melbourne, was arrested in May in LA during a rugby union trip to the US at a sting set up by officers, who posed as paedophiles and a pimp offering to supply him with a boy to rape for $US250 ($A328).

The veteran judge described Quinn's desire to attend what Quinn believed was a pedophile party at an LA hotel room and pay a pimp to allow him to rape a young boy as "absolutely disgusting", "ghastly" and "despicable".

"Aussie perv, heading to the US late May/June interested to meet others while I'm there. LA, Nashville, NYC," Quinn posted on a social media site used by pedophiles.

Assistant US lawyer Joey Blach wrote in a sentencing memorandum filed to the court: "Despite the friendly congenial mask [the] defendant showed to the world, [the] defendant lived a secret life online".

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3223730...ravelled-to-us-for-sex-with-young-boys/#page1

The disturbing confessions were made during online exchanges between 33-year-old Michael John Quinn and Homeland Security Agent Aaron McLellan, who posed as three separate pedophile ‘pervs’ to trap Quinn during a trip to the US. (Don't know if it is okay and smart to name the Homeland Security Agent in the media ....?)

Quinn, an accomplished geneticist who worked for a major IVF clinic in Victoria, responded by saying: “Yep - an Aussie fella here... I'm awake and very keen for some hot action”.

He also told the officers he was planning on visiting the US within the month and wanted to make plans to “meet up with a dad who shares his young ones”. (Had been the most "safe" method I think: a father with sons. No fear of becoming known to police.) :tantrum: :banghead:

I read about this arrest and conviction and immediately thought of the reports of a Port Macquarie-based 'paedophile ring' in relation to William's disappearance. I truly hope that horror has not been, or is currently, William's fate. The mere thought of it makes me quite literally feel like I've been punched in the gut. If so, I would sorely tempted to 'implant' something much more painful than an RFID chip into the SOBs who took and exploited him.

 

[SouthAussie]

I read about this arrest and conviction and immediately thought of the reports of a Port Macquarie-based 'paedophile ring' in relation to William's disappearance. I truly hope that horror has not been, or is currently his fate. The mere thought of it make me quite literally feel like I've been punched in the gut.

There is SO much in the media right now about child sex abuse. Is it because of William's possible fate? Oh .... I so hope not. :cry:
Is it because of what his investigation is revealing, in multiple states?

Tonight on our news, as well as the story about the disgusting rugby player, they followed with a piece about all of the child sex offenders on the loose in SA. We have about 1,900 known child sex offenders. Something like 340 have breached their bail conditions. About 40 were punished for the breaches.

Where/when does it end? Is all of this publicity going to do something? One can only hope ... and all we can do is advocate and make our voices heard.

 

[Bohemian]

There is SO much in the media right now about child sex abuse. Is it because of William's possible fate? Oh .... I so hope not. :cry:

Tonight on our news, as well as the story about the disgusting rugby player, they followed with a piece about all of the child sex offenders on the loose in SA. We have about 1,900 known child sex offenders. Something like 340 have breached their bail conditions. About 40 were punished for the breaches.

Where/when does it end? Is all of this publicity going to do something? One can only hope ... and all we can do is advocate and make our voices heard.

AFAIK Task Forces such as Argos and Twigg (and, of course, our friends at Rosann) are still operational. The names may change but they share the same goals. Organisations such as CEOP Command in the UK partner with other organisations on an international level combatting child exploitation, ie; International Child Protection Network (ICPN) and the Virtual Global Taskforce so the 'eyes' of the world are upon them.

Sadly, there will always be work for them to do. It's akin to cleaving heads from the Hydra. As soon as you chop one head off, another even more poisonous one appears in its place. Where is Hercules when you need him?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Fictional story:

Man and wife, married without children. Man between 40/50 yo, bisexual, attracted of men more than women, very secret life with male sex partners. Couple wants to have children, foster children or adopted children, girl and boy. They get children. Wife is noticing: her husband seems to be too much attracted of the little boy. She wants to get rid of the boy without losing the husband. Only possibility "to be innocent" while losing the boy: to have him kidnapped by "unknown" persons. The plan is implemented when the family "coincidentially" is not at their own home but on a visit. Only witness of the process of "disappearing a child": the elderly mother of the wife. The mother knows of the reason why her married daughter would yearn the boy gone and so she wants to help. She has no problem to find abductors in her circle of acquaintances who would pass the boy from one to the other until he is out of sight. When the kidnapping happens, the wife is relatively calm but the father freaks out and is crying while searching for the little boy for days. The elderly mother of the wife as an only witness protects her daughter in any form after the crime. - After some months when wife and husband are back at their place of residence they remove all traces of the boy inclusive his room.

I remember someone here mentioned sometime: "a mother will always protect her daughter" - my way of thought stems from around this time (not just from today).