Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[WWW&H]

Is anyone alarmed at the amount of attempted child abductions in new south wales this year. Google child abduction attempts new south wales.

 

[Bohemian]

Is anyone alarmed at the amount of attempted child abductions in new south wales this year. Google child abduction attempts new south wales.

I was, until I read this article including the BOCSAR NSW stats:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...d-abductions-across-nsw-have-increased-2017-6

 

[gregjrichards]

"William Tyrrell may be one of the country's highest profile unsolved missing children cases, but there are concerns the million-dollar reward won't see justice.

A former police chief told Daily Telegraph the government's plans to boost cold case payment rewards wouldn't catch any more criminals.

With hundreds of families wanting answers, former police assistant commissioner John Laycock said increasing unsolved homicide cases to $1 million wouldn't solve the murders.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ewards-won-t-solve-murders.html#ixzz4sB5QFz5y

 

[Bohemian]

"William Tyrrell may be one of the country's highest profile unsolved missing children cases, but there are concerns the million-dollar reward won't see justice.

A former police chief told Daily Telegraph the government's plans to boost cold case payment rewards wouldn't catch any more criminals.

With hundreds of families wanting answers, former police assistant commissioner John Laycock said increasing unsolved homicide cases to $1 million wouldn't solve the murders.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ewards-won-t-solve-murders.html#ixzz4sB5QFz5y

Yes, immunity from prosecution seems to have achieved the desired outcome for the family of the victim in the high profile unsolved homicide case mentioned in the Daily Mail article. I was uneasy about that particular decision by the NSW Attorney-General but it gave the family the ability to lay their adult son to rest. However, in all conscience, I couldn't accept the same outcome in the case of a murdered child.

 

[Ciana]

Is this Bio dad?
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/3105643/crime-spree-duo-plead-guilty/

Hello, this is my first posting here. I have read that the bio father, Brendan William Collins, is 36, the man of similar name in the article is 21.
I have joined your community to read about William. He is never far from my thoughts and I hope and pray that the wee soul is safe somewhere and one day will be found, alive and well.

 

[butterstick]

Have I read somewhere that William's foster parents were renovating their Sydney house at time of William's abduction? Could it be possible the abduction is actually connected to their Sydney address? Could pure evil have followed the family from Sydney to Kendall and laid in wait for their perfect opportunity.

This is the issue with keeping the foster family anonymous.

There is no opportunity for someone out there to join the dots. Like, "X knows foster dad and saw him in town a half-hour before WT went missing" or "Y is a dodgy character, why is he so familiar with WT's foster Mum?", or "Z works at McDonalds and seemed to know the foster family when they passed through that day"

Stuff like that is totally missing. Because the public don't know the foster parents enough to join the dots. Context is missing.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, immunity from prosecution seems to have achieved the desired outcome for the family of the victim in the high profile unsolved homicide case mentioned in the Daily Mail article. I was uneasy about that particular decision by the NSW Attorney-General but it gave the family the ability to lay their adult son to rest. However, in all conscience, I couldn't accept the same outcome in the case of a murdered child.

That was a very tough decision for the parents, wasn't it? They knew who the killer was, he had slipped out of facing punishment for his crime one time already, he is living it up in Queensland, and the victim's mum wanted her boy back ... wanted to lay him to rest properly, have a place to go and sit with him and honour him, after almost 10 years of waiting.

As the victim's dad said .... karma will visit the killer.

And some top legals have said that if any compelling new evidence ever turns up, Atkins could be charged with murder and face prosecution, despite the immunity deal.



Can Atkins face further charges?

Yes, but police must find "fresh and compelling evidence" they allege links Mr Atkins to Mr Leveson's death due to the state's double jeopardy laws.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...michael-atkins-could-be-charged-again/8578324

 

[Wexford]

Hello, this is my first posting here. I have read that the bio father, Brendan William Collins, is 36, the man of similar name in the article is 21.
I have joined your community to read about William. He is never far from my thoughts and I hope and pray that the wee soul is safe somewhere and one day will be found, alive and well.

Hello Ciana and welcome.
There does seem to be some discrepancy in reporting. If we are to believe the MSM and the information readily available online the father of both Brendan Collins and Michael Clifford is one Daryl Clifford who according to sources is 42. This would make it pretty much impossible for him to have fathered a 36 year old Brendan however Natalie Collins is reported as currently being 56 or 57. So it is possible that the ages are wrong and possible that this is the same Brendan Collins but also I think more likely that the age of Daryl Clifford is wrong. This article is 2 years old by the way making this Brendan Collins around 23 now. I have no evidence to support either way but certainly plenty of evidence to show that MSM get it wrong quite often.
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/daryl-clifford.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...other-faced-arrest-warrant-court-no-show.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yrrell-nephew-5-Seconds-Summer-guitarist.html

 

[Bohemian]

That was a very tough decision for the parents, wasn't it? They knew who the killer was, he had slipped out of facing punishment for his crime one time already, he is living it up in Queensland, and the victim's mum wanted her boy back ... wanted to lay him to rest properly, have a place to go and sit with him and honour him, after almost 10 years of waiting.

As the victim's dad said .... karma will visit the killer.

And some top legals have said that if any compelling new evidence ever turns up, Atkins could be charged with murder and face prosecution, despite the immunity deal.



Can Atkins face further charges?

Yes, but police must find "fresh and compelling evidence" they allege links Mr Atkins to Mr Leveson's death due to the state's double jeopardy laws.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...michael-atkins-could-be-charged-again/8578324

We can only hope that 'fresh and compelling evidence' can be presented in that case.

 

[Eloise]

This is the issue with keeping the foster family anonymous.

There is no opportunity for someone out there to join the dots. Like, "X knows foster dad and saw him in town a half-hour before WT went missing" or "Y is a dodgy character, why is he so familiar with WT's foster Mum?", or "Z works at McDonalds and seemed to know the foster family when they passed through that day"

Stuff like that is totally missing. Because the public don't know the foster parents enough to join the dots. Context is missing.

Lots of people know who the FPs are. The Kendall locals all knew. The FGM was very active in the community.

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[SouthAussie]

Lots of people know who the FPs are. The Kendall locals all knew. The FGM was very active in the community.

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I would think, too, that many people living where William resided would know who the foster family is. Once they saw pics of William in the media.

 

[butterstick]

Lots of people know who the FPs are. The Kendall locals all knew. The FGM was very active in the community.

That's knowing them. Having a connection. Possibly tens of people who know them personally, or know of them, would of seen them around that time.

How about recognising them having seen them around that time, and then later on a news report - without actually knowing them in person. Potentially hundreds of people might have dots to connect.

Quite a difference.

Beyond the local town, the "knowing them" factor the police seem to be relying on greatly decreases.

 

[crabstick]

Someone made mention that a relative of the bios resided in Benaroon drive *TBC

I would think, too, that many people living where William resided would know who the foster family is. Once they saw pics of William in the media.

Grandpa had died and been buried. The FGM house was up for sale? WT had made a surprise visit a day earlier. FGMs birthday?

The white goods guy had made a visit the first day that WT and FPs had arrived? White goods guy was procuring a part for the washing machine to return for repair.

Whitegoods guy has distant connections with BGM through Scrappy guy who resided in a previous town where they had moved to FGMs town.

FF had gone to make a video conference call as the mobile phone reception for data calls was poor. Also poor mobile phone tower connectivity.

WT went missing mid morning when everyone was on the way to, or at school and work during a working week when most people wouldn't be around.

The properties have no back fences with full view from the road. The neighbouring houses are set wide from neighbours and back from the property line. There is multiple exits for vehicles if needed with cover not excluding the cemetery to the rear of the house with escape route and major forest cover.

The no through road in country bordering on forest meant next to no traffic.

An abductors paradise with all the ducks in line.

This would more than likely be the last chance to get WT as FGM house to be sold.

 

[Karinna]

Someone made mention that a relative of the bios resided in Benaroon drive *TBC

Never heard that one before?

 

[Karinna]

Wasn't it WT's first visit to FGM's house? Don't think he had been there much before from what i read. William and his sister weren't residents from Kendall, they resided in Sydney per MSM. So people around their area would of known them i presume. I doubt people in Kendall really knew them, because they weren't part of that community. They knew the FGM that resided there and left soon after William went missing because she sold her house, i think is how the story goes?

 

[Seek]

Never heard that one before?

Me either, I thought it was a relative of the BS clan imo

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[Karinna]

Me either, I thought it was a relative of the BS clan imo

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Yeah could be, but i haven't heard anyone else like that being mentioned as living in Kendall before?

 

[Karinna]

Someone made mention that a relative of the bios resided in Benaroon drive *TBC



Grandpa had died and been buried. The FGM house was up for sale? WT had made a surprise visit a day earlier. FGMs birthday?

The white goods guy had made a visit the first day that WT and FPs had arrived? White goods guy was procuring a part for the washing machine to return for repair.

Whitegoods guy has distant connections with BGM through Scrappy guy who resided in a previous town where they had moved to FGMs town.

FF had gone to make a video conference call as the mobile phone reception for data calls was poor. Also poor mobile phone tower connectivity.

WT went missing mid morning when everyone was on the way to, or at school and work during a working week when most people wouldn't be around.

The properties have no back fences with full view from the road. The neighbouring houses are set wide from neighbours and back from the property line. There is multiple exits for vehicles if needed with cover not excluding the cemetery to the rear of the house with escape route and major forest cover.

The no through road in country bordering on forest meant next to no traffic.

An abductors paradise with all the ducks in line.

This would more than likely be the last chance to get WT as FGM house to be sold.

BBM, From what i read in msm, BS did not visit the FGM home when FF were there with the children. BS had been to the FGM's house 4 days prior to their visit and called in the afternoon on the day that FF were there and WT went missing because he had the part to fix the machine, only to be told he couldn't come to repair the washing machine on that day.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was not William's first visit to the grandmother's house. Discussed and referenced in Thread 7.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-Tyrrell-3-Kendall-NSW-12-Sept-2014-7/page15


BBM
The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3TqFTgdSU


BBM

03-08-2015, 07:57 PM #224
inspector rex

I read in the news clips that the parents were from the North Shore in Sydney and one specifically mentioned Killara. Here is a quote from my search of is Killara a good suburb: "Killara is a great suburb for Families, Retiree's etc with its nice peacefull country feel. Green & Leafy and with fantastic schools. Killara is an affluent area and boasts large, beautiful homes. House prices between 1 - 15 Million. Median $1,500,000"

I think he had been to Grandma's before as there was a quote I saw that the family was at the previous neighbourhood Christmas party. So I think they were regular visitors and the report of it being his first visit may be incorrect.

His parents, I was told, live at Killara, on the upper north shore. They were described to me as “committed Christians and reasonably well off’.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d

"It's just a normal neighbourhood," resident Richard Wilson says.
"We have had a couple of Christmas parties on the next door neighbour's block and everyone is invited. But you don't spend your life looking at what other people are doing."
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2663210/william-tyrell-how-a-boy-vanished-into-thin-air/

 

[Karinna]

It was not William's first visit to the grandmother's house. Discussed and referenced in Thread 7.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-Tyrrell-3-Kendall-NSW-12-Sept-2014-7/page15


BBM
The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3TqFTgdSU


BBM

Isn't Killara where they're from in Sydney? Even if the FF were in Kendall a few times they still weren't from that community on a daily basis. Some neighbours probably knew of them and seen them, but i doubt the whole town knew of them?