Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[Karo]

I wonder why they needed to relocate to be near him? Perhaps he's young. If not, it's a bit odd...

It may be as simple as a custody issue/visiting or shared custody, easier to be involved in his life if dad is living near mum.

 

[JLZ]

I took the SAR dogs' failure to detect William's scent outside of the boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive into consideration:

'Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.'

Australian Womens' Weekly
The boy no one can find

Michael Sheather travelled to the town of Kendall where William went missing, to investigate why this case was like no other. He filed this report.

SEP 06, 2015 9:00PM
BY MICHAEL SHEATHER​

In this instance, I postulate an abduction by an older teenager/young adult 'child' in the sense that they had the physical strength to silence, restrain, lift and transport a small child (possibly whilst on foot) from the yard of 48 Benaroon Drive, not being 'led away' by children as Jamie Bulger was prior to his murder.

In the ensuing chaos of the immediate search, is there a possibility an older adult/family member may have realised their teenager/young adult 'child' was also missing, they then found that 'child' to have perpetrated a (serious) crime(s) and concealed those crimes and William? I think it's possible.

is it also possible that William was lured or pulled into a car parked across #48's driveway, or next to the verge, by the driver and transported elsewhere and someone knows or had suspicions about that person's absence or behaviour after the fact and is concealing that information? I think it's possible too.

I was imagining the adult made the cover-up decision before the hue and cry. But the time frame is tight.

 

[JLZ]

Why did we originally think the lawn-mower man was from # 42? Did early reports indicate that he had William's grandmother's place within view? There may have been more than one mower that morning, or is PS known to have been otherwise occupied?

 

[Bohemian]

True, but the likelihood certainly narrows it down. These dogs are freaking good! But yes, it's possible the scent is lost in some way... at some point. But undetected altogether is odd... I think I heard about a case overseas similar where the child was taken on foot and the scent was lost...

If I remember correctly William's 'scent trail' wasn't detected by the SAR dogs outside of the property boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive, not that there was no scent of William detected at all (see link in my previous post). The cadaver dogs didn't detect William's scent within search locations.

 

[Bohemian]

Dr Sarah Yule is a Forensic Psychologist who was working with detectives to find William:

https://m.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/posts/10153291551076185

NSW Police FB
12 September 2015

 

[sosocurious]

If I remember correctly William's 'scent trail' wasn't detected by the SAR dogs outside the boundary of 48 Benaroon Drive, not that there was no scent of William detected at all (see link in my previous post). The cadaver dogs didn't detect William's scent within search locations.

I agree. I felt that there was no scent trail indicating William had either wandered into the bush or off the property, detected by either the SAR or cadaver dogs.

Superintendent Paul Fehon, the commander of Strike Force Rossann which is investigating William’s disappearance, said the search operation had expanded.
“Search teams are going back over all areas, including dams and waterways, today,” Superintendent Fehon said.
“It’s baffling that there’s no lead at this time.
“We would have thought we would have had some indication of something at this stage of this very thorough search.”
Neither police sniffer dogs, nor cadaver dogs, were able to pick up a trail.
“We are appealing for anyone who saw any people or vehicles in the vicinity of Benaroon Drive or in the Kendall township on Friday to contact police,” Superintendent Fehon said.
“We do have grave concerns. To disappear that quickly absolutely bewilders us.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/eb1896fadec83103dc86a3a5bdd103c7
Police launch ‘parallel investigation’ into fate of missing William Tyrell

 

[Bohemian]

I was imagining the adult made the cover-up decision before the hue and cry. But the time frame is tight.

Either/or.

 

[iailwa]

It may be as simple as a custody issue/visiting or shared custody, easier to be involved in his life if dad is living near mum.

That's why I made the inference if young = ok, if adult = odd

 

[iailwa]

I'm not thinking of a specific scenario. Maybe that William began playing with another child or someone he thought was an older child, something happened and the person who was supposed to be supervising the older child was afraid of the consequences for him/herself and secondarily for the child. Perhaps a bike being involved (as a lure and method of fast short-distance removal from the scene). Perhaps a child-child sexual assault and a parent thought killing the victim a good remedy.

Never thought of a bike scenario ; nice one! 👍

 

[iailwa]

If I remember correctly William's 'scent trail' wasn't detected by the SAR dogs outside of the property boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive, not that there was no scent of William detected at all (see link in my previous post). The cadaver dogs didn't detect William's scent within search locations.

Yes, that's true as I understand it

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Police Strike Force Rosann has been established as sniffer dogs fail to pick up any scent of William Tyrell, five days after he went missing on the NSW mid north coast.
The 3-year-old boy was last seen playing with his sister in his grandmother’s Kendall frontyard on Friday morning.
Searchers combed bushland again throughout last night in a 1.5 kilometre radius from the home and have expanded the search out to three kilometres today.
Superintendent Paul Fehon says neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs have been able to pick up any sign of the boy, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.
Police are been working with specialist units across the state, including the sex crime squad.
Known sex offenders in the area have been contacted to confirm their whereabouts when William was last seen.
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2014/09/16/update-sniffer-dogs-fail-to-pick-up-scent-of-william-tyrell/
If i am reading the article correctly it states that there wasn't any scent of WT picked up by sniffer dogs?

 

[iailwa]

I took the SAR dogs' failure to detect William's scent outside of the boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive into consideration:

'Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.'

Australian Womens' Weekly
The boy no one can find

Michael Sheather travelled to the town of Kendall where William went missing, to investigate why this case was like no other. He filed this report.

SEP 06, 2015 9:00PM
BY MICHAEL SHEATHER​

In this instance, I postulate an abduction by an older teenager/young adult 'child' in the sense that they had the physical strength to silence, restrain, lift and transport a small child (possibly whilst on foot) from the yard of 48 Benaroon Drive, not being 'led away' by children as Jamie Bulger was prior to his murder.

In the ensuing chaos of the immediate search, is there a possibility an older adult/family member may have realised their teenager/young adult 'child' was also missing, they then found that 'child' to have perpetrated a (serious) crime(s) and concealed those crimes and William? I think it's possible.

is it also possible that William was lured or pulled into a car parked across #48's driveway, or next to the verge, by the driver and transported elsewhere and someone knows or had suspicions about that person's absence or behaviour after the fact and is concealing that information? I think it's possible too.

His postulation I like. But, it's hard to reconcile having found a scent & then just suddenly losing it. Perhaps more feasible - as I think Karinna said - a bicycle? Or then again a car. Teens drive from what age - 16?

 

[iailwa]

(quote)
Police Strike Force Rosann has been established as sniffer dogs fail to pick up any scent of William Tyrell, five days after he went missing on the NSW mid north coast.
The 3-year-old boy was last seen playing with his sister in his grandmother’s Kendall frontyard on Friday morning.
Searchers combed bushland again throughout last night in a 1.5 kilometre radius from the home and have expanded the search out to three kilometres today.
Superintendent Paul Fehon says neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs have been able to pick up any sign of the boy, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.
Police are been working with specialist units across the state, including the sex crime squad.
Known sex offenders in the area have been contacted to confirm their whereabouts when William was last seen.
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2014/09/16/update-sniffer-dogs-fail-to-pick-up-scent-of-william-tyrell/
If i am reading the article correctly it states that there wasn't any scent of WT picked up by sniffer dogs?

He might be referring to the search past the home. There's no way to tell from this article...

 

[Bohemian]

Your postulation I like. But, it's hard to reconcile having found a scent & then just suddenly losing it. Perhaps more feasible - as I think Karinna said - a bicycle? Or then again a car. Teens drive from what age - 16?

Could have been someone on foot, in a car, on a bicycle, riding a horse or a skateboard — who knows?

William's scent was found within the property boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive but not outside of them. The yard may have been taped off by LAC but there were hundreds of searchers tramping all over the surrounding area and the NSW Police Dog Unit from Sydney wasn't dispatched until around 11:00am*.

SAR dogs are skilled but they can only be effective under certain environmental conditions.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

 

[JLZ]

I've been for a walk, dropped the children theory, and I'm back on Spedding. Let's say Spedding was the original spotter. He found out from the grandmother early in the week that the family were expected Friday for the weekend. The grandmother doesn't remember telling him, perhaps she has a degree of dementia, but he doesn't count on that. He passed on the information to a shady connection (I think he may have a few on account of the pawn shop) and planned to be occupied, that is alibi-ed, for the weekend. Early Friday morning he got a phone message from William's mother and realized they'd arrived early. He decided to pass that on as well and scramble for a Friday alibi. Accordingly he went to his office and used a phone from the bag and then spent nearly two hours in a coffee shop where he was known, with his wife, making sure to pay using his credit card. Then he went to the school assembly. Unfortunately he seems to be an unnoticeable sort of chap. Afterwards perhaps he ascertained from the news or from locals that the deed was done, and didn't bother with an alibi for the rest of the day.

I think there would have needed to be further local assessment before the kidnapper arrived prepared to scoop up William and I don't know how this was done.

I don't think this explains the early presence of the cars, but perhaps they were waiting for the family to arrive even before Spedding's call that morning.

I'll say again, entirely speculation.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/fear...en-abducted-from-kendall-20140916-10hqb0.html

 

[Karinna]

His postulation I like. But, it's hard to reconcile having found a scent & then just suddenly losing it. Perhaps more feasible - as I think Karinna said - a bicycle? Or then again a car. Teens drive from what age - 16?

I never mentioned anything about a bicycle, lol.

 

[JLZ]

Could have been someone on foot, in a car, on a bicycle, riding a horse or a skateboard — who knows?

William's scent was found within the property boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive but not outside of them. The yard may have been taped off by LAC but there were hundreds of searchers tramping all over the surrounding area and the NSW Police Dog Unit from Sydney wasn't dispatched until around 11:00am*.

SAR dogs are skilled but they can only be effective under certain environmental conditions.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

But William loved bikes.

 

[Bohemian]

(quote)
Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/fear...en-abducted-from-kendall-20140916-10hqb0.html

That's one of the lines of inquiry, yes, that William was abducted. What is not at issue here is that William's foster (and biological parents) have been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance by DCI Jubelin. William was at 48 Benaroon Drive, on the morning of Friday, 12 September 2014, whether 100 MSM articles state that the dogs couldn't pick up his scent or not.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN

 

[Bohemian]

But William loved bikes.

He did. And planes and motorbikes and machinery of all kinds.