Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[Bohemian]

Wrt search & rescue dogs (SAR)

Search and rescue dogs detect human scent. Although the exact processes are still researched, it may include skin rafts (scent-carrying skin cells that drop off living humans at a rate of about 40,000 cells per minute),[1] evaporated perspiration, respiratory gases, or decomposition gases released by bacterial action on human skin or tissues.

From Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue_dog

I kid you not, a dog followed me & a friend 5 km (we were in a car), to a location it has never been before. We were stunned when he showed up! He followed her car scent I think. She had an old oily VW. He isn't a trained sniffer dog either lol (true story!)

My BCX used to dig at right angles around historical grave sites (the cemetery was made into a park around 50 years ago) after it rained. She would have made an excellent cadaver dog. She could smell possum poo from 100 m away (her preferred perfume!)

 

[Bohemian]

Agreed and let's not forget the time stamped photo to prove it. Now I will wait for all the fake photo theories as well

I've already read them on SM.

 

[iailwa]

My BCX used to dig at right angles around historical grave sites (the cemetery was made into a park around 50 years ago) after it rained. She would have made an excellent cadaver dog. She could smell possum poo from 100 m away (her preferred perfume!)

What breed was she, this possum poo & wet cemetry lover? She would have indeed made a good cadavar dog

 

[Bohemian]

(09:58) Journalist:

'On the subject of William's foster care, have you been able to rule out involvement by the foster family or the natural family in his disappearance?'

(10:08) DCI Gary Jubelin:

'The simple answer to that is yes. I'm standing here saying I have ruled out the foster parents and I have ruled out the biological parents as being involved in this investigation.'

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2017/09/12/fresh-appeals-made-into-williams-disappearance/

 

[Bohemian]

What breed was she, this possum poo & wet cemetry lover? She would have indeed made a good cadavar dog

Border Collie Cross (working dog).

 

[Karinna]

What was the point of the numerous articles posted regarding the presumed lack of William's scent at 48 Benaroon Drive?

DCI Jubelin has determined that neither William's foster parents, nor his biological parents, are POI (as per the link in my quote that has been snipped).

BBM, Because i find it very odd for a child that supposedly was running around a yard not even an hour before he went missing and dogs couldn't pick up any trace of that.
Why shouldn't i question that? If the dogs are so unreliable then why even get them out there with their handlers to search for a missing child? So how reliable are SAR dogs, do you know?
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[JLZ]

People still have their pet theories that either William's foster parents, his biological parents, BS, AJ, PB, PN, even a yowie are responsible for his disappearance.

Four people that have been cleared by DCI Jubelin are William's foster parents and his biological parents. What next? Will William's foster grandmother be in the frame? Did she ride a bicycle? Or a skateboard? Hmmm . . .

Snazzy. I think she's on her way to the stable for the flying horse.

 

[iailwa]

Border Collie Cross (working dog).

I guess I don't have to tell you they are the smartest breed in the world. Just in case u didn't know!? I looked at many lists years ago ) Amazing dogs. Not partial to other breeds though I must say. My bother had a BCX & while all the other dogs played, it rounded up all the humans... don't like to mess around!

 

[iailwa]

BBM, Because i find it very odd for a child that supposedly was running around a yard not even an hour before he went missing and dogs couldn't pick up any trace of that.
Why shouldn't i question that? If the dogs are so unreliable then why even get them out there with their handlers to search for a missing child? So how reliable are SAR dogs, do you know?
And as long as i am within TOS i will post what i want about this case.

I think the dogs did pick up his scent but it disappeared around the boundaries including the end of the driveway

 

[Karinna]

I think the dogs did pick up his scent but it disappeared around the boundaries including the end of the driveway

Do you have a link for that info. please, because i looked for that info. earlier and couldn't find anything about that? Only the linked info. i had already posted up about zero result with the SAR dogs.

 

[Bohemian]

DCI Gary Jubelin's most recent statement to the media please excuse any typos).

I'll add the questions from journalists and DCI Jubelin's replies ASAP.

WS Blog: Three years since the disappearance of William Tyrrell - 7 News - 12 September 2017

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...m-Tyrrell-7-News-12-September-2017&styleid=21

Three years since the disappearance of William Tyrrell
7 News
12 September 2017

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN

Abbreviations:

DCI Gary Jubelin: GJ
Time: (mins:secs)

Unofficial Transcript of Media Press Conference by DCI Gary Jubelin, Lead Investigator, Strike Force Rosann

(06:32) GJ:

'I'm DCI Gary Jubelin from the New South Wales Homicide Squad. I'm leading the investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

As you know, William Tyrrell disappeared from his grandmother's yard at Kendall. Despite extensive investigations over three years, at this point in time the matter has remained unsolved.

I'm here today to address the media because we're very mindful of the public's interest in this matter. We're very mindful of the public's expectations that a crime of this nature should be solved.

i can assure you that we haven't given up on the investigation. I can assure you that we will not give up on the investigation. The investigation is currently very active. It's unusual to brief an investigation midway through the investigation but we are mindful of the interest in this matter.

The circumstances in which William disappeared leads us to believe there was human intervention and we're following up the investigation along those lines.

It's been twelve months since I last spoke to the media in relation to the announcement of a million dollar reward. That million dollar reward, which is unprecedented in New South Wales, is still on offer for anyone that has information that leads to the recovery of William Tyrrell.

I'd also like to stress that the type of information that we're looking for &#8212; and I want common sense to be used in relation to this &#8212; I don't want to get bogged down in pieces of information that are not relevant. It's three years down the track &#8212; let's be realistic. We're not interested in sightings of a child running around in a Spider-Man suit, playing in a McDonald's car park.

What we are interested in is people who have genuine information. That information might be in the form of someone that has concerns about someone they know, someone within their family, that the way they react when William Tyrrell's name is mentioned might cause suspicion. We're interested in speaking to these people. If we speak to those people, we can do it with the strictest of confidence and I would encourage those people to come forward.

But, please, don't waste our time. We're not interested in clairvoyants or people that have dreams. We're focussed on this investigation, following up information that's relevant to William's disappearance.

Be mindful that William is now six years of age, if he is still alive. Obviously we have concerns for his welfare but this is a unique investigation and we're keeping all possibilities open in regards to that.

I'm happy to take questions in relation to this. Before I do, I'd just like to address the recent information that's come out in the media about the foster care and biological family. I'd like to say that this has not impacted on the investigation in any way.

The foster care parents that had custody of William at the time of his disappearance were bringing up William in a loving family and the situation between foster care and the biological family played no part in William's disappearance.

I'd also like to reinforce that we're not giving up on this investigation. It doesn't sit well with me personally that three years down the track we haven't solved this investigation. It does not sit well with the members of Strike Force Rosann, that are tasked to investigate this matter, nor the New South Wales police. We know there is an expectation a crime of this nature will be solved and we intend to solve it.'

 

[Hbayne]

BBM, Because i find it very odd for a child that supposedly was running around a yard not even an hour before he went missing and dogs couldn't pick up any trace of that.
Why shouldn't i question that? If the dogs are so unreliable then why even get them out there with their handlers to search for a missing child? So how reliable are SAR dogs, do you know?
And as long as i am within TOS i will post what i want about this case.

http://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/latest-news/spiderman-found-in-search-for-william-6771


I don't know how to bold but you will find the info about the dogs picking up his sent here

 

[Hbayne]

BBM, Because i find it very odd for a child that supposedly was running around a yard not even an hour before he went missing and dogs couldn't pick up any trace of that.
Why shouldn't i question that? If the dogs are so unreliable then why even get them out there with their handlers to search for a missing child? So how reliable are SAR dogs, do you know?
And as long as i am within TOS i will post what i want about this case.

http://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/latest-news/spiderman-found-in-search-for-william-6771


I don't know how to bold but you will find the info about the dogs picking up his sent here

 

[Hbayne]

Sorry about the double post folks, although it's doubly worth posting

 

[Hbayne]

Do you have a link for that info. please, because i looked for that info. earlier and couldn't find anything about that? Only the linked info. i had already posted up about zero result with the SAR dogs.

I've posted the link

 

[Karinna]

I've posted the link

Thanks, it's a Women's Weekly article.

 

[Karinna]

Not sure if this has been posted up before, but a very interesting podcast featuring Caroline Overington and William Tyrell's case gets a mention at around 49:45
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/09/lms_20150930_0905.mp3
(paraphrased)

Caroline Overington: "I cannot impress upon you all enough how much you don't know.

"At any point in time, in Australia, there are more than a thousand suppression orders - on stories that you have a right to know.

"Now I am prohibited by law from telling what those suppression orders cover. But just use your instincts for a minute. And when I tell you that there is so much you don't know about the case of William Tyrrell, the little boy who's missing in New South Wales.

"Does that look dodgy to you, that case?

"Do you feel like there's stuff you don't know?

"You're dead right.

"And I am prevented by law, as a journalist, from telling you what it is.

"And, to me, that is a scandalous situation.

"And it is a scandalous situation that newspapers here in New South Wales are writing false stories.

"What you are reading in the paper is FALSE. It is LIES about that case. Because of suppression orders that exist, apparently for your, for your, for the good of you."

 

[Warshawski]

I didn't catch that one? (I transcribed the whole thing... I think I will post it in the media thread?.. and then anyone who has any corrections could please let me know?)

I got these:

"What we are interested in is people who have genuine information."

"That information might be in the form of someone that has concerns about someone they know, someone within their family, that uh, the way they react when William Tyrrell's name is mentioned, uh, might uh, cause suspicion. We're interested in speaking to those people. If we speak to those people, we can do it with the strictest of confidence and I would encourage those people to come forward. But please don't waste your time, we're not interested in uh information from clairvoyants or people that have dreams, we're focused on this investigation, following up information that's relevant to William's disappearance."

"anyone that's got any suspicion about someone close to them, come forward. That's the type of information we're interested in now"

i listened to it too D & his words (as you wrote) and his focus made such an impression. I felt Det Jubelin was speaking directly to someone or someones.

In that moment I was convinced that he knows exactly who is responsible. .

And whilst currently he is prepared to give them an opportunity to come forward, so it's all very clean, clear & civilised, and he can 'cut some deals' so to speak. 'Speaking with these people will be in the strictest of confidence' he promised.

Knowing who's responsible, knowing all about them, their associates, their families, their actions & activities, their pretences & facades, also means he is acutely aware of the stress & fear that these people must be under. He is communicating that fact to them, and asking them to trust him. He is doing & will do, all he can to provide them his support.

However, just one look & you have no doubt that Det Jubelin is a committed man. He doesn't mess around.
His patience will run out....maybe even tomorrow, or next Monday, or next month ... And when it does ..

I'm so glad it's not me with the secrets, looking over my shoulder, jumping at every shadow, scared of every word uttered, sound made, or look garnered. What an empty existence. .. why would you continue ... especially when you know you are only guaranteeing a much worse punishment x every minute you lie..

All IMHO ..

oh how I wish I had any scrap of information that may help solve this mystery, to bring some answers for William's nearest & dearest and for all the millions who care about this little boy, and to bring justice for Him, as those who preyed upon him find out just how it feels to be 'preyed upon'.

 

[Hbayne]

Not sure if this has been posted up before, but a very interesting podcast featuring Caroline Overington and William Tyrell's case gets a mention at around 49:45
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/09/lms_20150930_0905.mp3
(paraphrased)

Caroline Overington: "I cannot impress upon you all enough how much you don't know.

"At any point in time, in Australia, there are more than a thousand suppression orders - on stories that you have a right to know.

"Now I am prohibited by law from telling what those suppression orders cover. But just use your instincts for a minute. And when I tell you that there is so much you don't know about the case of William Tyrrell, the little boy who's missing in New South Wales.

"Does that look dodgy to you, that case?

"Do you feel like there's stuff you don't know?

"You're dead right.

"And I am prevented by law, as a journalist, from telling you what it is.

"And, to me, that is a scandalous situation.

"And it is a scandalous situation that newspapers here in New South Wales are writing false stories.

"What you are reading in the paper is FALSE. It is LIES about that case. Because of suppression orders that exist, apparently for your, for your, for the good of you."

Yep that was discussed aplenty.

 

[richieswan]

Did you see Jubes' nose injury? He's been doing some serious Jack Bauer style investigatin'.