Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[Bohemian]

Does anyone know if the sniffer dogs did search neighbour properties/houses (or even inside FGM's house for that matter!)? Or did the dogs only search FGM's yard, pathways, and roads?

I saw a post back on the threads today regarding multiple searches of the 21 houses on Benaroon Drive — I don’t remember if dogs were used — only that they searched them top to bottom, including spaces above the ceilings/under roofs and underneath floors/basements.

 

[iailwa]

I wonder if the last person who recorded on the cache was also the person who painted on the tree?

it was a happy looking woman with 2 kids in tow, who had been doing geo-caching for a couple of years. I'm sure the police checked her out..

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, that has always been a possibility... although one of the neighbours (I believe it was Mr. Wilson) said that police checked the 'boots' of neighbourhood cars.. and I'm pretty sure they would have been keeping an eagle eye out for any fresh-looking dents or blood or anything peculiar, at the same time.. and... just thinking.. if it were a neighbour that had a tragic accident like that, and then they quickly grabbed him and put him in the vehicle and left.. it is difficult to imagine that in that panic situation, they could have hidden him so well that no sign has been found even after 3 years have passed, and no admission of guilt. Could a regular person live with having done that, when all they would've had to do is admit they had an accident? Could they have been in such a lucid state of mind that they could have buried him or hidden him so well that nobody has found a trace? And there would likely be at least *some* damage to their vehicle, which presumably would have been caught at the time? Another theory that doesn't seem to add up.

There may not have been blood. JonBenet Ramsey’s autopsy showed she had been hit with a blunt object, causing a a bloodless brain injury that resulted in her death.

What if the person who took William from Benaroon Drive was not a resident but merely a regular visitor or was working there? I vaguely remember an MSM article that reported police were scouring bush tracks looking for items thrown from a vehicle (and possibly car parts( at one stage. I will have to search for the article/posts as it was fairly early on in the investigation.

Re search for car parts:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-25&p=12862376#post12862376

Reading through old articles & this one mentions searching the forest trails for car parts. The first sentence implies they were looking for something specific where as the second sentence just sounds like they are searching just in case. Did we ever determine if anything was found?

‘Superintendent Paul Fehon said the State Emergency Service's volunteers will walk the forest's trails as they search for part of a vehicle that may have become detached.

Teams of emergency services began the first of a two-day search of roadsides ‘‘in case something has been thrown’’, said NSW Police Rescue Sergeant John King.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/25...h-for-missing-william-tyrell/?cs=256#slide=21

 

[Karinna]

This is not true. The cache was left there about 2 years before, and the last person to record it was a year or so b4 William went missing. You can find this in regular MSM but it's not as prevalent because obviously police don't want people to know...

What's not true? Do you have a link to support that info. BBM? Why would msm post something because police wouldn't want people to know?

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Hi UT! Great to see you here. I’ve driven and flown over that area a few times in my Google vehicles. Wait until you see it from overhead on Sixmaps.
Searching for William in the bush surrounding Kendall would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

So any clarity on which house is which from your POV? Fresh (and experienced) eyes are always welcome.

Hi Bo. I've been following from the start, haven't posted alot though--leaving it up to you more, shall we say, experienced sleuthers! I'm still learning but recognised a few houses you lot have already posted, it was a real buzz lol, but honestly can't say which house is which at this stage. I'll need to get more practise in! All that bush though :scared: Where are you little man?

 

[iailwa]

It's not true that it was associated with the geo-caching game. I posted a link a few days ago. Go back & look perhaps... perhaps between 3-5 days ago.

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Tyrrell-3-Kendall-NSW-12-Sept-2014-24/page75

If this link works, it shows the police searching around one of the derelict houses. This is not the same house that is along Batar creek Rd & near to Stoney creek road. Also, batar creek road is *****umen, whereas this road is a dirt Rd. Perhaps this is the one behind Williams street, the one within 1/2km, with access perhaps from one of the 2 dirt roads leading off of Benaroon?

iailwa, you are correct.

This house is 256 Batar Creek Rd.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...74582be5eb718!8m2!3d-31.6549623!4d152.6949955


This house is the one with the red roof, just through the forest from Benaroon Drive. The one that spiritual dreaming was speaking of.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-24&p=12827975#post12827975



And then there is the creepy house across the road from grandma's house.

Who knows which one the noises were heard at. But it is my feeling that it is the house across the road from grandma's house. Because I think somewhere I read that the neighbours were searching in the street that night.

 

[sosocurious]

This is not true. The cache was left there about 2 years before, and the last person to record it was a year or so b4 William went missing. You can find this in regular MSM but it's not as prevalent because obviously police don't want people to know...

"This is purely a coincidence, the geocache was placed in July 2012 well before the disappearance and is part of a series of caches placed in the area, and the last finder on (January 13, 2016) says the graffiti wasn't present then. So it is a recent addition to the tree that just happens to unfortunately have been written above a cache hide.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/3714780/william-tyrrell-treasure-hunt-disappointing-police/

 

[PainExpress]

if anyone mentions Koppers logs Im reporting them.

I saw some Koppers logs a couple of days ago and thought of you guys.

They were used for jetty pylons.

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[Bohemian]

Hi Bo. I've been following from the start, haven't posted alot though--leaving it up to you more, shall we say, experienced sleuthers! I'm still learning but recognised a few houses you lot have already posted, it was a real buzz lol, but honestly can't say which house is which at this stage. I'll need to get more practise in! All that bush though :scared: Where are you little man?

I didn’t post on WS until around a year after William disappeared so I think you’re the more experienced WSer, UT.

Yes, the ‘abandoned houses’ and just which one searchers reported hearing noises coming from is confusing to me now even though they’ve been discussed since I joined (and I read about one very early on in William’s threads). Keep on buzzing and let us know what you find.

I can’t imagine the number of searchers the police would need to search the bush land around Kendall. In some ways, even though William’s disappearance is atypical, that area is an abductor’s dream if they knew the terrain like the back of their hand.

Where’s William? That’s a question a great many people want the answer to — not to mention William’s families’ need to know. I have a lot of faith in DCI Jubelin after reading about his work on the Bowaraville children’s and Matthew Leveson’s cases. If anyone can find the answer to that question, he and the members of Strike Force Rosann can.

 

[iailwa]

What's not true? Do you have a link to support that info. BBM? Why would msm post something because police wouldn't want people to know?

It's not true that it was part of the game. there is a link a few pages back to support this, look at my posts in particular - also, go look on google, at geo-caching NSW you"ll find some stuff Police don't encourage MSN to keep saying stuff that will tip off the perp... or they just say they aren't interested to divert interest in the media... either/or - MOO

 

[iailwa]

"This is purely a coincidence, the geocache was placed in July 2012 well before the disappearance and is part of a series of caches placed in the area, and the last finder on (January 13, 2016) says the graffiti wasn't present then. So it is a recent addition to the tree that just happens to unfortunately have been written above a cache hide.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/3714780/william-tyrrell-treasure-hunt-disappointing-police/

Exactly, and the police know this...

 

[Wexford]

There may not have been blood. JonBenet Ramsey’s autopsy showed she had been hit with a blunt object, causing a a bloodless brain injury that resulted in her death.
.

or if you subscribe to the asthma theory...?

 

[iailwa]

iailwa, you are correct.

This house is 256 Batar Creek Rd.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...74582be5eb718!8m2!3d-31.6549623!4d152.6949955


This house is the one with the red roof, just through the forest from Benaroon Drive. The one that spiritual dreaming was speaking of.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-24&p=12827975#post12827975



And then there is the creepy house across the road from grandma's house.

Who knows which one the noises were heard at. But it is my feeling that it is the house across the road from grandma's house. Because I think somewhere I read that the neighbours were searching in the street that night.

yes i thought they were different, good night all sleep tight

 

[Karinna]

It's not true that it was part of the game. there is a link a few pages back to support this, look at my posts in particular - also, go look on google, at geo-caching NSW you"ll find some stuff Police don't encourage MSN to keep saying stuff that will tip off the perp... or they just say they aren't interested to divert interest in the media... either/or - MOO

Well i guess irrespective of all that, as i said previously what did it really have to do with WT, and obviously the graffitti on the tree hasn't helped to locate WT yet after 3 years. But no one knows what LE have and what they are still looking at because it's an ongoing investigation with LE still asking for public help in the case.

 

[iailwa]

yes i thought they were different, good night all sleep tight

yes i read that too... someone showed a map recently - it's just behind #43 - off a beaten track and an unnamed rd...? I think

 

[Hbayne]

My interpretation was that Jubelin wants the person responsible or the person who knows something to think he, Jubelin, is open to the explanation that what happened was an accident. The culprit might be tempted to come forward with a lying story, which would be an advance in the investigation. Or the person who knows might rationalize that they're not dobbing someone in for murder, just passing on that person's probably innocent involvement.

JLZ I think you have hit the nail on the head.

 

[Karinna]

or if you subscribe to the asthma theory...?

That could be a possibility too depending on how bad WT's asthma? I know a stressful situation could spark an asthma attack in some people.

 

[iailwa]

Well i guess irrespective of all that, as i said previously what did it really have to do with WT, and obviously the graffitti on the tree hasn't helped to locate WT yet after 3 years. But no one knows what LE have and what they are still looking at because it's an ongoing investigation with LE still asking for public help in the case.

Nothing has helped find William. We have no idea what is going with the LE minds - but if they are obvious/deliberate in hiding something - we could perhaps hazard a guess. good night

 

[bearbear]

Neighbours were said to have arrived onto the street, just a minute before, and a minute after the time when WT is said to have disappeared. There would have been the sounds of *those* vehicles and doors closing. But no screeching away down the street, in any case. It had occurred to me that someone living in a neighbouring house could've snatched him and brought him to their house.. but considering how quickly everything was searched, not sure that could be possible.. and hopefully LE also had their sniffer dogs searching neighbouring properties, but I'm not sure if they did or not?

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever read that a neighbour mentioned that they had actually seen the children playing in the yard or the driveway that morning at FGM's house? Or was it just the one neighbour who heard, but did not see?

Could be a neighbour who saw him, snatched him, brought him to their home, and THEN left in their own vehicle? (but why??)

yes, ive always wondered about a close neighbour hearing the children playing and possibly watching from in the bushes, very able to grab william if he was hiding and being a tiger, especially by that tree his mother mentioned, i remember we discussed this a few threads ago, it would have been very easy to casually drive out of the street with william bundled up in the car while everyone was franticly searching for him, then afterwards drive home and maybe even join in the search, this is one of the scenarios that seems to fit, being in the right place at the right time, silent and ease of access and escape and possibly someone who has no history but always fantasized about doing this