Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[sosocurious]

I think it might be too premature for an inquest. I remember with Bung's case, there was next to nothing in the media and then an article comes along that says they were reducing the taskforce assigned to her which was 12 full-time detectives. As far as my tracking of this case goes, we have no idea what resources are on it. The Morcombes knew what was and wasn't being done for Daniel to some extent and so could push the issue. As far as we know, both the bio and foster families may be very satisfied that everything is being done for William. An inquest could chuck a real spanner in the works.

Link back thread....thanks Bo .... interesting interview.

The srtikeforce is made up of 12 full-time members. That varies on occassions. Made up of homicide, sex and other different squads and anaylists.

How many poi's have been interviewed?
100's of people are put on what we call the poi list.
To get onto that list the bar doesn't have to be particularly high. I don't want to dramatise it. It is people we need to follow up.
We have reduced the poi listby a couple of hundred but as we reduce, we get other information and people might be added.

http://www.2gb.com/podcast/wheres-william-tyrrell/

 

[Hbayne]

My husband (some of you may remember me taking about this many moons ago) was a victim of a paedohile school teacher. It was an historic case which had more than 5 young boys ( god knows how many others) involved . Once this man was arrested on all the evidence he was not taken into custody . Just charged until case went to court. There was overwhelming evidence from up to 8 boys. This is why I wonder why BS was actually incarcerated. Yes i know he was eventually bailed but they must have had or felt very good reason to lock him up ?

 

[SouthAussie]

Nope but if I was MS I sure would question the coincidence of the men in her husbands life over the years that he has connections with. A little light bulb would certainly be flickering.

Don't worry, Hbayne. Most of completely understand what you mean. Spedding chose to live with Hillsley. No-one forced him to do that. Not too many people would choose to live with a known child rapist, most people would like to put them 6 feet under. And those that do make the choice to live with a known child rapist ... well .....


His lawyer, Peter O’Brien, said Mr Spedding was living with his then brother-in-law, Jeffrey John Hillsley, a few months before the alleged assaults took place.
“What we do know is that in the months preceding (the alleged 1987 abuse), there was a known child-sex offender living” with Mr Spedding, Mr O’Brien said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r/news-story/e00d1be44cabb66b6dad0629b48e355c

 

[Hbayne]

My husband (some of you may remember me taking about this many moons ago) was a victim of a paedohile school teacher. It was an historic case which had more than 5 young boys ( god knows how many others) involved . Once this man was arrested on all the evidence he was not taken into custody . Just charged until case went to court. There was overwhelming evidence from up to 8 boys. This is why I wonder why BS was actually incarcerated. Yes i know he was eventually bailed but they must have had or felt very good reason to lock him up ?

And the teacher was convicted on all accounts and was sentenced to a few measly years in prison. The last we heard was that he had committed suicide not long after release .

 

[Hbayne]

Thanks south Aussie

 

[SouthAussie]

My husband (some of you may remember me taking about this many moons ago) was a victim of a paedohile school teacher. It was an historic case which had more than 5 young boys ( god knows how many others) involved . Once this man was arrested on all the evidence he was not taken into custody . Just charged until case went to court. There was overwhelming evidence from up to 8 boys. This is why I wonder why BS was actually incarcerated. Yes i know he was eventually bailed but they must have had or felt very good reason to lock him up ?

There is seriously no reason to question yourself.

BBM
Appearing at court flanked by several supporters, Mr Spedding sat quietly at the back as his lawyer applied for his bail conditions to be relaxed, hoping to change his current requirement to report to police three times a week to once a week.

The magistrate denied the appeal, given Mr Spedding was still facing “serious” charges: three of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 10 and two counts of common assault against two girls in Sydney’s southwest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/d9919ffc3d0c94cfb4fde386bde8b760

 

[Hbayne]

There is seriously no reason to question yourself.

BBM
Appearing at court flanked by several supporters, Mr Spedding sat quietly at the back as his lawyer applied for his bail conditions to be relaxed, hoping to change his current requirement to report to police three times a week to once a week.

The magistrate denied the appeal, given Mr Spedding was still facing “serious” charges: three of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 10 and two counts of common assault against two girls in Sydney’s southwest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/d9919ffc3d0c94cfb4fde386bde8b760

Thankyou. The ramifications no matt34 how long ago are certainly ongoing. Sometimes our minds block out for a good reason what trauma has benn endured. My husband sat in court and heard other victims accounts of what happened and he was actually involved in the abuse from their recollections. Once he heard it he remembered exactly what happened . He reported what he had remembered which was horrible enough but to hear others put him in situations he had mentally blocked bought to the surface the memories of what else he had indured. It's amazing what the mind can block in trauma

 

[Karinna]

There is seriously no reason to question yourself.

BBM
Appearing at court flanked by several supporters, Mr Spedding sat quietly at the back as his lawyer applied for his bail conditions to be relaxed, hoping to change his current requirement to report to police three times a week to once a week.

The magistrate denied the appeal, given Mr Spedding was still facing “serious” charges: three of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 10 and two counts of common assault against two girls in Sydney’s southwest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/d9919ffc3d0c94cfb4fde386bde8b760

And that all has to still be hashed out in a Court of Law next year, so we wait....

 

[SouthAussie]

Thankyou. The ramifications no matt34 how long ago are certainly ongoing. Sometimes our minds block out for a good reason what trauma has benn endured. My husband sat in court and heard other victims accounts of what happened and he was actually involved in the abuse from their recollections. Once he heard it he remembered exactly what happened . He reported what he had remembered which was horrible enough but to hear others put him in situations he had mentally blocked bought to the surface the memories of what else he had indured. It's amazing what the mind can block in trauma

Yes. It is amazing what the mind can block. I was in a very serious car accident many years ago. The paramedics told me I was conscious and speaking the whole time, as they were cutting us out of the car, but I remember nothing between the headlights coming straight at us till I was speaking to the staff in Emergency.

The mind does this for self-preservation. So that we do not relive the trauma and pain over and over. So that we do not have to cope with the horror and shock, and can heal.

 

[Hbayne]

Yes. It is amazing what the mind can block. I was in a very serious car accident many years ago. The paramedics told me I was conscious and speaking the whole time, as they were cutting us out of the car, but I remember nothing between the headlights coming straight at us till I was speaking to the staff in Emergency.

The mind does this for self-preservation. So that we do not relive the trauma and pain over and over. So that we do not have to cope with the horror and shock, and can heal.

Yes the brain and all its little compartments are amazing south Aussie .

 

[frogwell]

Link back thread....thanks Bo .... interesting interview.

The srtikeforce is made up of 12 full-time members. That varies on occassions. Made up of homicide, sex and other different squads and anaylists.

How many poi's have been interviewed?
100's of people are put on what we call the poi list.
To get onto that list the bar doesn't have to be particularly high. I don't want to dramatise it. It is people we need to follow up.
We have reduced the poi listby a couple of hundred but as we reduce, we get other information and people might be added.

http://www.2gb.com/podcast/wheres-william-tyrrell/

looking at POI's by make/model of cars?

 

[they'll get you]

looking at POI's by make/model of cars?

Hey froggie!

I remember police were looking for a vehicle with possible damage, mirrors, pieces of headlight covers, taillights.

I've watched a few crime shows where the pieces of lense covers can tell the type of vehicle it came off, say an imprinted number part or the actual reflector design inside the lense.

 

[frogwell]

Listen to someone who knows:

Matthew Leveson's dad cautions pushing 'voyeuristic' petition on William Tyrrell's families
9news.com.au
By Mark Saunokonoko
12:01pm Sep 26, 2017

‘The father of dead Sydney man Matthew Leveson believes a petition demanding an immediate inquest into lost boy William Tyrrell is wrong.’

‘On Monday nine.com.au reported that the woman who successfully resisted a Supreme Court injunction that tried to block details about William’s disappearance was on the brink of delivering a petition to the NSW state coroner.

That petition, which has gathered almost 13,000 signatures, demanded a transparent inquest and gave reasons why "there is something very wrong with this case".

But Mark Leveson believes the public, however well intentioned, have no right trying to force an inquest upon William’s biological and foster families.

"It’s well and good the public being interested, and in some cases voyeuristic, in wanting to know what is going on," Leveson told nine.com.au.

"I’m not saying that an inquest is good or bad. I’m saying the decision should be up to Tyrrell’s parents not the public.

"It’s their son and their foster son and they should have all the say of what transpires."’

‘The William Tyrrell petition, organised by NSW woman Allana Smith and advocacy group Walking Warriors Australia, alludes to the case of murdered Queensland boy Daniel Morcombe.

Importantly, it was the families of Matthew and Daniel - not the public - who had personally pushed for those inquests, Leveson told nine.com.au.

"I have no doubt that sentiments and motivations [of the petition organisers] are quite honorable and to be admired but they need to think of the family," Leveson said.’

‘Allana Smith told nine.com.au on Monday that the NSW state coroner should launch a coronial inquest, despite the ongoing three-year investigation by NSW Police.

"It has been three years since William Tyrrell disappeared, and two years since the matter was referred to the NSW state coroner," Smith said.

"It is time."

The lead investigator into William's disappearance told nine.com.au on Monday that inquests are mandatory for missing persons' cases however they aren't generally held until police investigations had been concluded.

"Strike Force Rosann is following numerous lines of inquiry and at this stage an inquest would be premature," Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said.

Walking Warriors Australia intends to deliver its petition to the NSW coroner in early October.’

Read more at:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...eveson-father-william-tyrrell-missing-inquest

Seems like all these other people are mouth pieces for the actual players in this game. Mr leveson seems like a mouthpiece for Jubelin, Allanah Smith, from what I saw of the ACA interview ( 1st 2 minutes) is acting like a mouthpiece for the biological family. The obvious point has not been made in the media as far as I am aware, since a supreme court judge ruled against FACS, ( that the clearing of the FP's and not showing their faces in MSM has not opened the investigation up as far as it can go in the most obvious direction it should have gone). The public are not blind or stupid. To suggest the public's interest is voyeuristic is just what I expect of Jubelin, insult everyone who doesn't agree with his take. ( Even though Mark Leveson said it.) In this instance, it looks like the bios want an inquiry but can't acknowledge it publicly, and the FP's need to be looked at more clearly. I'm having a psychic moment that a CI might happen in 11 years, when his sister is an adult. MOO

 

[Bohemian]

‘I would be sweating’: William Tyrrell investigator says it’s ‘highly likely’ police have encountered kidnapper
By A Current Affair
7:43pm Sep 12, 2017

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ghly-likely-police-have-encountered-kidnapper

‘The investigator leading the search for missing boy William Tyrrell has said "the strongest likelihood" is that police have already encountered his kidnapper.’

‘Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin of the NSW Police Homicide Squad said he thought it was ”highly likely" police had already come across the perpetrator of the crime.

"The strongest likelihood is that we've already got the name of the person involved," he said.’

‘From thousands of persons of interest, police have whittled down their pool to a few hundred.’

‘While the kidnapper may be male or female, police believe there is a strong chance they were acting as a lone operator.

They likely have links to the Port Macquarie area, but do not necessarily live there.

It is no longer believed the kidnapper is a member of a pedophile ring.‘
________

William’s kidnapper:

• Police now only have a few hundred persons of interest.
• Strongest likelihood is that police have encountered his kidnapper.
• Highly likely that police have come across his kidnapper.
• Strong likelihood that police have their name.
• May be male or female.
• Strong chance they acted alone.
• They have links to Port Macquarie, but may not live there.
• They are not believed to be the member of a paedophile ring.

 

[Karinna]

Seems like all these other people are mouth pieces for the actual players in this game. Mr leveson seems like a mouthpiece for Jubelin, Allanah Smith, from what I saw of the ACA interview ( 1st 2 minutes) is acting like a mouthpiece for the biological family. The obvious point has not been made in the media as far as I am aware, since a supreme court judge ruled against FACS, ( that the clearing of the FP's and not showing their faces in MSM has not opened the investigation up as far as it can go in the most obvious direction it should have gone). The public are not blind or stupid. To suggest the public's interest is voyeuristic is just what I expect of Jubelin, insult everyone who doesn't agree with his take. ( Even though Mark Leveson said it.) In this instance, it looks like the bios want an inquiry but can't acknowledge it publicly, and the FP's need to be looked at more clearly. I'm having a psychic moment that a CI might happen in 11 years, when his sister is an adult. MOO

So right in what you're saying IMO, and i totally agree with it. The LE have asked for the public's help in WT's case and they are spending the taxpayer money on the investigation, so of course the public are demanding answers for what happened to this child who was in State care. No voyuerism in that i can see. When a child is missing feared deceased it is people's business because to date no perpetrator has been arrested, and that means said perpetrator or perpetrators are still at large, and a threat out in the public and needs to be caught before they harm another child.

 

[deugirtni]

Don't worry, Hbayne. Most of completely understand what you mean. Spedding chose to live with Hillsley. No-one forced him to do that. Not too many people would choose to live with a known child rapist, most people would like to put them 6 feet under. And those that do make the choice to live with a known child rapist ... well .....


His lawyer, Peter O’Brien, said Mr Spedding was living with his then brother-in-law, Jeffrey John Hillsley, a few months before the alleged assaults took place.
“What we do know is that in the months preceding (the alleged 1987 abuse), there was a known child-sex offender living” with Mr Spedding, Mr O’Brien said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r/news-story/e00d1be44cabb66b6dad0629b48e355c

It seems there is yet another discrepancy in reporting. I had always had in my head that the *victims* had been living with Hillsley. There is an MSM article where it is said that Hillsley's father told him he wasn't allowed to be in a bedroom with his 'nieces'. (I believe it was posted the other day?).

At the time when BS is accused of sexually abusing the 2 girls, I was under the belief that BS was separated from his ex wife, the sister of Hillsley, and that he was having one of his visits with his kids.

If one looks at other MSM articles from the same time, the accounts are reported differently (quoted below).

If BS was indeed living with the animal Hillsley, while separated from his wife and having visits with his children, then it sounds like BS put them in peril. If the girls were, rather, living with their mom, who was also allowing her animal brother to live with them, or otherwise allowing access to the girls by him just by being around the family home, then I believe it is on the mother for having allowed that. Hopefully things will get sorted out as to the truth once this gets into court. (However, even then, I suppose we must rely on the reporting of journalists to get it right.)

"The court heard that a convicted paedophile, Jeffrey John Hillsley, was living in the same house as Spedding’s alleged child sex victims before they complained about abuse.


"A defence lawyer, Peter O’Brien, told the court Hillsley, who had been convicted of abducting and indecently assaulting a five-year-old, had lived in the same home as Spedding’s alleged victims in January 1987."

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges

 

[Bohemian]

Seems like all these other people are mouth pieces for the actual players in this game. Mr leveson seems like a mouthpiece for Jubelin, Allanah Smith, from what I saw of the ACA interview ( 1st 2 minutes) is acting like a mouthpiece for the biological family. The obvious point has not been made in the media as far as I am aware, since a supreme court judge ruled against FACS, ( that the clearing of the FP's and not showing their faces in MSM has not opened the investigation up as far as it can go in the most obvious direction it should have gone). The public are not blind or stupid. To suggest the public's interest is voyeuristic is just what I expect of Jubelin, insult everyone who doesn't agree with his take. ( Even though Mark Leveson said it.) In this instance, it looks like the bios want an inquiry but can't acknowledge it publicly, and the FP's need to be looked at more clearly. I'm having a psychic moment that a CI might happen in 11 years, when his sister is an adult. MOO

Mark Leveson is no one’s ‘mouthpiece’ nor does he have the time to be. At this moment he is writing his final, and no doubt heartbreaking, submission to the NSW Coroner wrt the inquest into the death of his son. Similarly, DCI Jubelin does not need anyone to speak for him. Nor, for that matter, do William’s biological parents. Yet they have yet to speak to the ‘public’ at all other than through Ms Collins and Ms Smith (apparently). If the ultimate aim of the person or persons who are pushing for an inquest into William’s disappearance was to ‘expose’ William’s foster parents to increased media and public scrutiny, despite the fact they have been repeatedly cleared of any involvement, then that has backfired spectacularly. You’re right, the ‘public isn’t blind or stupid’ and many individuals realise that, despite protestations to the contrary, certain people may have an agenda which ultimately may not be in the best interests of William, his biological or foster parents and his siblings. And, for the record, neither I nor DCI Jubelin are interested in dreams or clairvoyance, but in finding out who intervened so cruelly in William’s life that fateful day and seeing justice done.

 

[SouthAussie]

Mark Leveson is no one’s ‘mouthpiece’ nor does he have the time to be. At this moment he is writing his final, and no doubt heartbreaking, submission to the NSW Coroner wrt the inquest into the death of his son. Similarly, DCI Jubelin does not need anyone to speak for him. Nor, for that matter, do William’s biological parents. Yet they have yet to speak to the ‘public’ at all other than through Ms Collins and Ms Smith (apparently). If the ultimate aim of the person or persons who are pushing for an inquest into William’s disappearance was to ‘expose’ William’s foster parents to increased media and public scrutiny, despite the fact they have been repeatedly cleared of any involvement, then that has backfired spectacularly. You’re right, the ‘public isn’t blind or stupid’ and many individuals realise that, despite protestations to the contrary, certain people may have an agenda which ultimately may not be in the best interests of William, his biological or foster parents and his siblings. And, for the record, neither I nor DCI Jubelin are interested in dreams or clairvoyance, but in finding out who intervened so cruelly in William’s life that fateful day and seeing justice done.

It saddens me that some can see the words of knowledgeable people who have spoken out with case information and their experienced opinion - good people, upstanding people, people in the know - and dismiss their words so easily. Their words have a hidden agenda, or MSM has got it all wrong. Let's look for every hidden inflection, let's look for discrepancies between this MSM source and that MSM source ... instead of looking at the news for the core information.

But the words of the likes of Bill Spedding - a named POI, a person up on multiple child sex abuse charges, a person who caused the grandchildren to be removed from their home before any charges were even laid - well, his words must be factual.

Heck, Spedding couldn't even get the media governing body to have the things written about him removed or retracted, because they are the facts as they are known. Not slander, not libel.

Mark Leveson and his wife fought long and hard to achieve all they achieved for their son.

And, to my knowledge, Jubelin has never gone after the wrong man. His nose for the correct perpetrator(s) is strong. His resilience is incredible. His support for the true victims - in every case - is unflagging.

 

[frogwell]

I don't see it your way obviously ladies, and have had the great privilege of hearing repeatedly your opinions on everyone's character involved in this case especially "Jubes". There is an obvious point to this case that has not been covered to many people in the public's satisfaction. I am one of them. You are not two of those people.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't see it your way obviously ladies, and have had the great privilege of hearing repeatedly your opinions on everyone's character involved in this case especially "Jubes". There is an obvious point to this case that has not been covered to many people in the public's satisfaction. I am one of them. You are not two of those people.

I have seen the stuff going on in social media. I was looking at it again just two nights ago, and it is just horrible. But it does seem to me that the great majority of people there are very supportive of all the parents and police efforts.

I was also looking for any incidence of a petition by strangers in achieving an inquest. I was unable to find one.


I just want to add, that we do not know if the obvious point you speak of has been covered. For the parties who have been cleared to have been cleared, I would think that it must have been thoroughly covered. As the police have said many times, they are not going to provide a running commentary on this case. We have got no idea what they have done, other than the little tidbits that have been released to MSM. Nor should we be privy to the internal workings of their investigation. Not until this case is solved and the matter has been through the courts. Or they reach an absolute stalemate. As a previous poster said, it could harm their case.

This is a victim-friendly forum. You know that as well as I do.

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