Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[bearbear]

This has been my thinking from day one. I think someone has heard him and lured him into a neighbouring house hence the dead silence the FM could hear and her immediately thinking someone had walked up to him and put their hand on his shoulder. She had a 'gut' feeling. I don't think any vehicles were involved nor do think the search of neighbours properties were carried out immediately believing he'd wandered into the bush allowing a window of time for someone nearby to put in a plan of action. <modsnip>
Moo

i agree and this was one of my 2 initial scenarios from day one, its the simplest and makes the most sense, someone right there hiding and watching, maybe someone who owns a white 4wd, theres a few nearby on google search, and one seen in the area afterwards and theres so much thick dense bush and hidden tracks nearby and old abandoned properties to dispose of evidence. noboidy would suspect a quiet respected neighbour, gj will know who it is , maybe this person knows bs and or has links to the gapa groups?

 

[kiwi50]

I wish we knew when/ if dogs were taken on to neighboring properties. Was there a window of opportunity for a neighbor to have left during the initial search for William.
Surely if a neighbour was noticed leaving when the initial search was on, it would be remembered, I d be surprised if they had kept William on their property.
It's worth exploring but it would be so disappointing if we find not all neighbors cars and properties were thoroughly searched, specifically by dogs. And that they had not had to account for every minute of their time that morning.

 

[SouthAussie]

Because a neighbour is such a high possibility in that quiet neighbourhood, I would think that police have been very thorough there. We know they searched the homes from top to bottom at least 3 times. I am pretty sure that would include searching the vehicles, accounting for all movements, possibly utilising the dogs within that area, too.

I am currently reading a book about a 5 year old girl who disappeared. The first thing the police did was thoroughly check all neighbourhood properties, in and out, as little children have been known to go into others yards/homes ... as opposed to William perhaps going into that thick forest across the street.

I think the neighbourhood searches would have been done in conjunction with the initial extensive forest searches. At that time they would have inquired of the whereabouts of the residents, too. From what I am reading, it seems it is police procedure to do this right away.

 

[SouthAussie]

Something I found interesting, when I was looking back at some old articles, is that the search in Middle Brother State Forest was stated as being "more evidence based".


Police and NSW State Emergency Service crews will conduct a 'more evidence-based search' in the Middle Brother State Forest, about five kilometers from where William was last seen.

Teams of officers in cars and on foot will scour roads in the 48 square-kilometre forest looking for items that may have been discarded from a vehicle, such as clothes or other clues to what happened to the boy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

 

[SouthAussie]

I wish we knew when/ if dogs were taken on to neighboring properties. Was there a window of opportunity for a neighbor to have left during the initial search for William.
Surely if a neighbour was noticed leaving when the initial search was on, it would be remembered, I d be surprised if they had kept William on their property.
It's worth exploring but it would be so disappointing if we find not all neighbors cars and properties were thoroughly searched, specifically by dogs. And that they had not had to account for every minute of their time that morning.

Perhaps they did use dogs in the houses, kiwi. It sort of reads as though they could have, the way this article is written. These two sentences flowing right on from each other.

BBM
Police have scanned CCTV footage from local businesses, searched neighbours' properties and questioned locals, in some cases covering the same ground more than 10 times.
But no one has found a trace and police dogs failed to even locate a scent of the missing three-year-old.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

 

[JLZ]

Something I found interesting, when I was looking back at some old articles, is that the search in Middle Brother State Forest was stated as being "more evidence based".


Police and NSW State Emergency Service crews will conduct a 'more evidence-based search' in the Middle Brother State Forest, about five kilometers from where William was last seen.

Teams of officers in cars and on foot will scour roads in the 48 square-kilometre forest looking for items that may have been discarded from a vehicle, such as clothes or other clues to what happened to the boy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

That may just mean looking for evidence as opposed to looking for William. Rather than that evidence has prompted the search.

 

[deugirtni]

I wish we knew when/ if dogs were taken on to neighboring properties. Was there a window of opportunity for a neighbor to have left during the initial search for William.
Surely if a neighbour was noticed leaving when the initial search was on, it would be remembered, I d be surprised if they had kept William on their property.
It's worth exploring but it would be so disappointing if we find not all neighbors cars and properties were thoroughly searched, specifically by dogs. And that they had not had to account for every minute of their time that morning.

I think if a neighbour, they would have taken him out of the development before the police arrived... before any official searches began. (Unless they may have had a sound-proof, well-concealed, secret dungeon in the home, or something... like another poster (they'll get you??) mentioned recently - I wonder if police checked inside chest freezers of all properties within a range? Would they have gone *that* far? (I'm hoping so!!))

 

[SouthAussie]

That may just mean looking for evidence as opposed to looking for William. Rather than that evidence has prompted the search.

Yes, I would have thought that. Other than the fact that the search area in Middle Brother Forest was stated as over 5 kilometres away.

Something made them search that particular area for evidence of William.

.

 

[kiwi50]

I think if a neighbour, they would have taken him out of the development before the police arrived... before any official searches began. (Unless they may have had a sound-proof, well-concealed, secret dungeon in the home, or something... like another poster (they'll get you??) mentioned recently - I wonder if police checked inside chest freezers of all properties within a range? Would they have gone *that* far? (I'm hoping so!!))

Yes I agree they really would have to get him out before police arrived. One would think if any neighbour was known to have been home earlier and was then seen to go out, they would be number one suspect.
If a neighbour, he'd have to be very cool calm and collected to pull it off and not arouse anyone's suspicions.

 

[deugirtni]

i agree and this was one of my 2 initial scenarios from day one, its the simplest and makes the most sense, someone right there hiding and watching, maybe someone who owns a white 4wd, theres a few nearby on google search, and one seen in the area afterwards and theres so much thick dense bush and hidden tracks nearby and old abandoned properties to dispose of evidence. noboidy would suspect a quiet respected neighbour, gj will know who it is , maybe this person knows bs and or has links to the gapa groups?

Pedo groups 'have all BUT been ruled out' according to GJ, and if someone like that were associated with BS, that sounds like it would have potentially been the tip that sent the investigation on a huge roll. They have been swarming BS since the beginning days, and still no arrest, and still not even a suspect, and in fact, he has been said to now be moved quite down on the list. I hope that in their in-depth pursuit of BS as a POI, it did not prevent them from giving other tips the attention they may have deserved at the time.

According to one neighbour (PS), the one fellow on the street is said to have moved away (house listed for sale only 2 months later) because he didn't like the heat. If you lived there on the street where this happened, obviously the police are going to be investigating every one of the neighbours, so why would it make one lone owner so frazzled that he felt the need to move? Seems like rather suspicious behaviour. I wonder if that gentleman is one of the POIs who is being covertly followed? One might presume that every occupant would be happy to succumb to whatever was required, IF they had nothing to do with it. With all of the horrible media chasing BS and the awful stories, errors, and inaccurate portrayals being written, BS still remained understanding of why police were investigating and pursuing him, and he freely gave a DNA sample. Meanwhile, this single fellow got so irked by being questioned, that he decided to move away within 2 months. jmo. (one can move, but they can't hide, right?) Although, 'three years down the track', it seems that this man was also likely a dead end, otherwise, there would presumably be an arrest by now.

 

[SouthAussie]

With all of the horrible media chasing BS and the awful stories, errors, and inaccurate portrayals being written, BS still remained understanding of why police were investigating and pursuing him ......

I don't believe the jury is in on that yet.
He is charged with some pretty malevolent crimes. Maybe we should wait till we stick a halo on his head?

 

[Bohemian]

Pedo groups 'have all BUT been ruled out' according to GJ, and if someone like that were associated with BS, that sounds like it would have potentially been the tip that sent the investigation on a huge roll. They have been swarming BS since the beginning days, and still no arrest, and still not even a suspect, and in fact, he has been said to now be moved quite down on the list. I hope that in their in-depth pursuit of BS as a POI, it did not prevent them from giving other tips the attention they may have deserved at the time.

According to one neighbour (PS), the one fellow on the street is said to have moved away (house listed for sale only 2 months later) because he didn't like the heat. If you lived there on the street where this happened, obviously the police are going to be investigating every one of the neighbours, so why would it make one lone owner so frazzled that he felt the need to move? Seems like rather suspicious behaviour. I wonder if that gentleman is one of the POIs who is being covertly followed? One might presume that every occupant would be happy to succumb to whatever was required, IF they had nothing to do with it. With all of the horrible media chasing BS and the awful stories, errors, and inaccurate portrayals being written, BS still remained understanding of why police were investigating and pursuing him, and he freely gave a DNA sample. Meanwhile, this single fellow got so irked by being questioned, that he decided to move away within 2 months. jmo. (one can move, but they can't hide, right?) Although, 'three years down the track', it seems that this man was also likely a dead end, otherwise, there would presumably be an arrest by now.

I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying, deu.

Check back onthread for the discussions of the date the house in question was listed and then sold as well as others. Other residents of Benaroon Drive have also moved away since William disappeared. It must have been quite a bonanza for a local REA if they used the same one.

There may not be a paedophile ring per se linked to William&#8217;s disappearance and BS may have moved down the priority lists, however he is still on one.

However, neither of those two facts automatically mean there is not a lone CSO (or more) involved in William&#8217;s disappearance, nor does it mean that BS is not connected to the person or persons responsible in some way.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, I would have thought that. Other than the fact that the search area in Middle Brother Forest was stated as over 5 kilometres away.

Something made them search that particular area for evidence of William.

.

Could you pin the co-ordinates of the JSWT tree stump and the house on the cnr of Batar & Stoney Creek Road, Batar, in relation to Middle Brother on that map too, please SA?

 

[Lemony]

From an article that was published around the 2 year mark.

&#8220;We were one of the few &#8212; I&#8217;ll say unfortunate people now &#8212; that were here when it happened,&#8221; she says. &#8220;We were just witnesses but the police are on our case a lot now and it&#8217;s frustrating."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/2d8aa4bde6c83ded451c26090fb55643

Interesting that she says 'on our case a lot now'.

 

[Bohemian]

From an article that was published around the 2 year mark.

&#8220;We were one of the few &#8212; I&#8217;ll say unfortunate people now &#8212; that were here when it happened,&#8221; she says. &#8220;We were just witnesses but the police are on our case a lot now and it&#8217;s frustrating."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/2d8aa4bde6c83ded451c26090fb55643

Interesting that she says 'on our case a lot now'.

Could you post the title of the article, please Lemony (so I can paste it into Google)?

 

[SouthAussie]

I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying, deu.

Check back onthread for the discussions of the date the house in question was listed and then sold as well as others. Other former residents of Benaroon Drive have moved since William disappeared. Must&#8217;ve been quite a bonanza for a local REA if they used the same one.

There may not be a paedophile ring per se linked to William&#8217;s disappearance and BS may have moved down the priority list.

However, neither of those two facts automatically mean there is not a lone CSO (or more) involved in William&#8217;s disappearance, nor does it mean that BS is not connected to the person or persons responsible in some way.

Even William's grandma's house was put on the market again, by the people who bought it from her right before William went missing.


The house where toddler William Tyrrell disappeared from has gone on the market, only a year after it was sold by the missing child's grandmother.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/property-...isappeared-on-the-market-20151018-gkc9xt.html

 

[SouthAussie]

I appreciate what you&#8217;re saying, deu.

Check back onthread for the discussions of the date the house in question was listed and then sold as well as others. Other residents of Benaroon Drive have also moved away since William disappeared. It must have been quite a bonanza for a local REA if they used the same one.

There may not be a paedophile ring per se linked to William&#8217;s disappearance and BS may have moved down the priority lists, however he is still on one.

However, neither of those two facts automatically mean there is not a lone CSO (or more) involved in William&#8217;s disappearance, nor does it mean that BS is not connected to the person or persons responsible in some way.

It also does not mean Spedding is not the perpetrator. He may or may not be. He is still a named POI and has not been relieved of that status.

 

[Bohemian]

It also does not mean Spedding is not the perpetrator. He may or may not be. He is still a named POI and has not been relieved of that status.

I ETA that. Blame my post-Nanna nap brain *sips coffee*

 

[Hbayne]

Did we actually hear or read that BS was moved down the list of pois ?

 

[sosocurious]

It also does not mean Spedding is not the perpetrator. He may or may not be. He is still a named POI and has not been relieved of that status.

Even though his family have expressed their wishes for police to declare .... no link.

Police have repeatedly said Mr Spedding was not a suspect but a person of interest but he has been the subject of intense media scrutiny in the past several weeks.
Mr Speeding's son said he wished police would publicly rule his father out of the investigation but understood they had a job to do.
"He doesn't need the attention he is getting it just seems media have singled him out for some bizarre reason."
"I was hoping by now they [the police] would come out and say there is no link."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...s-disappearance-son-says-20150303-13tz7u.html
Bill Spedding has 'no link' to William Tyrrell's disappearance, son says