Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[bearbear]

as gary jubelin says the stars aligned that day, its interesting william was taken when everything aligned perfectly, his father had left, mother, grandmother and sister inside, neighbours inside, mrs wilson had just driven off...you would have to be right there to take advantage and know you had enough time to deal with this little boy without being caught or having to account for your whereabouts, i realize im repeating old scenarios sorry, but its all weve got

 

[Bohemian]

as gary jubelin says the stars aligned that day, its interesting william was taken when everything aligned perfectly, his father had left, mother, grandmother and sister inside, neighbours inside, mrs wilson had just driven off...you would have to be right there to take advantage and know you had enough time to deal with this little boy without being caught or having to account for your whereabouts, i realize im repeating old scenarios sorry, but its all weve got

I don’t truly believe William’s disappearance was completely ‘random’ either. Risky, yes. Random, no.

 

[Hbayne]

as gary jubelin says the stars aligned that day, its interesting william was taken when everything aligned perfectly, his father had left, mother, grandmother and sister inside, neighbours inside, mrs wilson had just driven off...you would have to be right there to take advantage and know you had enough time to deal with this little boy without being caught or having to account for your whereabouts, i realize im repeating old scenarios sorry, but its all weve got

So right bear bear , must have been wholly calculated and planned or an apsolute fluke that the opportunity was there .

 

[bearbear]

trying to find the interesting police profiler article which describes the likely person who committed the crime, it mentions the perp had possibly always wanted to do this sort of thing but never acted on it before, not sure if it was sara yule? or another profiler? the only articles i can find now seem edited?

 

[Bohemian]

trying to find the interesting police profiler article which describes the likely person who committed the crime, it mentions the perp had possibly always wanted to do this sort of thing but never acted on it before, not sure if it was sara yule? or another profiler? the only articles i can find now seem edited?

Could also be either Michael Diamond or Olav Nielssen (both quoted in same article).

ETA. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-24&p=12827772#post12827772

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22sarah+yule%22+%22William+tyrrell%22

 

[Wexford]

And the deleted call logs from that day and the Spider-Man toy in his car and......... which I can't post

and the coffee shop.
I have said before that I always found the spiderman toy just a little too convenient....that's not to say that I think he was 'fitted up'....more that I felt someone really wanted to make sure he was completely in the frame.
Moved down the priority list may simply mean he doesn't have ALL the answers. Maybe he was just the person who passed on the info that the kids were in town?
Also, let's consider the scenario that William was taken by someone for someone else.........where does that leave us?

 

[sleepinoz]

trying to find the interesting police profiler article which describes the likely person who committed the crime, it mentions the perp had possibly always wanted to do this sort of thing but never acted on it before, not sure if it was sara yule? or another profiler? the only articles i can find now seem edited?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

 

[Bohemian]

and the coffee shop.
I have said before that I always found the spiderman toy just a little too convenient....that's not to say that I think he was 'fitted up'....more that I felt someone really wanted to make sure he was completely in the frame.
Moved down the priority list may simply mean he doesn't have ALL the answers. Maybe he was just the person who passed on the info that the kids were in town?
Also, let's consider the scenario that William was taken by someone for someone else.........where does that leave us?

I didn’t mean ‘fitted up’ by police or completely. Maybe just a few strategically placed items or words in ears to distract from someone’s own culpability, whether they were his ‘partner in crime’ or not.

I don’t know that such an awful lot of earthmoving and police manpower would be expended for someone who’s merely a messenger.

And where are we left? As usual, without answers for William and his parents. I pray Jubes has them and he has the crucial piece of evidence he needs to make an arrest or arrests (and make them stick in a court of law).

 

[JLZ]

and the coffee shop.
I have said before that I always found the spiderman toy just a little too convenient....that's not to say that I think he was 'fitted up'....more that I felt someone really wanted to make sure he was completely in the frame.
Moved down the priority list may simply mean he doesn't have ALL the answers. Maybe he was just the person who passed on the info that the kids were in town?
Also, let's consider the scenario that William was taken by someone for someone else.........where does that leave us?

Are you suggesting the spiderman toy was planted? In that case wouldn't Spedding's side have just denied knowing anything about it, rather than saying it was a gift from one of the kids?

 

[bearbear]

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.
The man spent the next day with a pool net in hand searching through a dam and waterholes, anxious about what he might find.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...d-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.htm

 

[sosocurious]

Acting Superintendent Commander Tony Joice, who is heading the taskforce investigating the three-year-old’s disappearance from the north coast village, said officers need to rule out any potential leads in the “astonishing” case.
“If you were in the Kendall area, we need to know what you were doing, who you were visiting, what car you were driving, what you were doing there,” he said.
“It’s about putting the pieces together.”.............

But the complete absence of evidence — tracks, scent trails, pieces of clothing, blood or hair — has heightened fears he may have been abducted.

Commander Joice said the dog squad was brought in last week to search an area police believed could hold some clues but failed to find anything significant.

He said police did not believe William was still in the area and were now investigating the possibility he was abducted.
“Considering how exhaustive that ground search was, we were there 24-7 for over a week, the chances of him being in that vicinity are very small,” he said.
“We’re comfortable that search has been completed and are pursuing other lines of inquiry.”

However, he said William’s four-year-old sister, who was with him when he went missing, had not been able to shed any light on what happened.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/70412ba4be7e24b2eb4aabce27901ebe
LIA HARRIS, in Kendall, The Sunday Telegraph
October 4, 2014

Just had another listen to the 2 part interview.
:tears:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k/news-story/a01f0873e1df51515a73d8bfdb0e4f9f
EXCLUSIVE by Lia Harris, The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2015

 

[Bohemian]

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.
The man spent the next day with a pool net in hand searching through a dam and waterholes, anxious about what he might find.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...d-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.htm

That link gives me a 404 error bb. Could you post the title of the article please? TIA.

 

[bearbear]

thankyou bohemian , it was michael diamond in the australian article.....
How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

If someone took William, it is unlikely to have been their first offence, says Dr Michael Diamond, a forensic psychiatrist and criminal profiler. “You don’t just do this sort of crime for the first time,” he says. “You would have to overcome other experiential things that confront you if you are going to do something of that magnitude. Is it somebody who has access to a child, and thought about it and not done it because their contact is too obvious, and so it has been
a rehearsed and lived-in fantasy without the terrible outcome?” Diamond asks.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
or this fb printout
https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

 

[bearbear]

September 6 2015


[h=1]William Tyrrell investigation: highs, lows and false hope 12 months on[/h]http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-tyrrell-investigation-highs-lows-and-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

 

[kiwi50]

He was one of the first of the neighbours to look for William. What he was doing beforehand or if he had a dog, I’m not sure. We did try to figure out who was who, where they were and at what times, at one stage but I don’t think we got very far in our discussion.

Would love to know if his grown up son lived at same address. Think this was the only article I'd seen son mentioned.

 

[Bohemian]

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.
The man spent the next day with a pool net in hand searching through a dam and waterholes, anxious about what he might find.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...d-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.htm

September 6 2015

William Tyrrell investigation: highs, lows and false hope 12 months on

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

Thanks bb. Very precise timekeeping.

ETA. So, the man’s wife left 2 to 4 minutes before or after William went missing?

’Ahead, on your right, a grass slope rises steeply, unfenced, from the road. You notice a child in a Spider-Man costume. There’s no one else around. It’s 10.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.’

How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078​

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks bb. Very precise timekeeping.

ETA. So, the man’s wife left 2 to 4 minutes before or after William went missing?

’Ahead, on your right, a grass slope rises steeply, unfenced, from the road. You notice a child in a Spider-Man costume. There’s no one else around. It’s 10.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.’

How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078​

This may be why it is thought the van *cough,cough* left via the cemetery way, along the dirt tracks that were searched, where a car part may have fallen off. Because the neighbourhood activity around that time saw no vehicle.

If it was a sturdier 4-wheel drive, would a car part have potentially fallen off?

 

[sosocurious]

Was Paul the neighbour mowing his lawn and who took his dog for a walk ?

A neighbour on the street told Daily Mail Australia he met William's father who was 'searching through the backyards heartbroken and frantic'.
The neighbour said that while he has lived on the street for seven years he did not know William or the boy's parents. He had however met the woman who lived in the house where William disappeared from.
'The boy came up from Sydney to visit a lady in the house,' he explained.
'It's been pretty full on. I've been here the whole time, people have been pouring through our back yards. I really hope he's found soon.
'Everyone in the street has been interviewed. It's really horrible,' he added.
The man said there hasn't been 'one burglary or incident' on the street the whole time he has lived there.
'It is a quiet peaceful area and it has been turned upside down.'
'When I heard I was on my ride on mower and saw a police car. Someone came running down the street. They said someone had just lost a kid. I took my dog for a walk and had a look for him. I wish he was found on the first day.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

Neighbour Paul Savage was one of the first to start searching for William after his frantic neighbour screamed that he was missing.
"If he had wandered, he would have been found," Savage says.
"When I go for a walk you still find yourself keeping an eye out, hoping for a scream or a yell and not a horrible smell.
"I don't know how his family has coped, it must be torture for them."

All the homes in the estate were searched. And then searched again.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html
Missing William Tyrell casts dark shadow over town
Dan Proudman

Seems as though lawn mower man was not searching until the police car had already arrived and PS was one of the first searching.

Wonder where her husband was when she ran to him? Could he be the lawn mower man down the street?

She remembers when William’s grandmother knocked frantically on her door on September 12, 2014. She ran straight to her husband and said in disbelief, “She’s lost her f..king grandson.”
“We were one of the few — I’ll say unfortunate people now — that were here when it happened,” she says. “We were just witnesses but the police are on our case a lot now and it’s frustrating....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/2d8aa4bde6c83ded451c26090fb55643
William Tyrrell: fear in Kendall where little boy disappeared

 

[SouthAussie]

Could you pin the co-ordinates of the JSWT tree stump and the house on the cnr of Batar & Stoney Creek Road, Batar, in relation to Middle Brother on that map too, please SA?

I don't know where the tree stump is. I have never paid much attention to that stuff, as I don't believe it is significant (something only a kid would do imo).

 

[JLZ]

This may be why it is thought the van *cough,cough* left via the cemetery way, along the dirt tracks that were searched, where a car part may have fallen off. Because the neighbourhood activity around that time saw no vehicle.

If it was a sturdier 4-wheel drive, would a car part have potentially fallen off?

And why do they think a car part may have fallen off, if they're looking for the part? Is it a question of the identity of two vehicles perhaps captured on CCTV . . . and a POI admits to one being his, and denies the other, because he wasn't there and look, that's not the same car, it's missing a ---. Or it has a different number plate maybe.