Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[deugirtni]

Date offered for sale, date of price drop, date of sale:

<modsnip>BENAROON DRIVE, KENDALL
2 1 4,087 sqm House
Last Advertised Price : June 2015
$317,500
Historical Prices:
June 2015 $317,500
March 2015 $339,000
February 2015 $339,00

You&#8217;re welcome

Thanks anyway, but as mentioned, the part that popped out for me, was the original listing date, which was a mere 54 days after WT's disappearance. Combine that with his next door neighbour's comments, and then the listing wording, and it seems he was in a big rush to sell very soon after the boy's disappearance, after having owned the property for almost 15 years. Could be meaningful, or not.

 

[ParaK]

Spedding... Hillsley.... Bickford.... Jones.... Nichols.... And who else? Who knows.... Well someone does. There are too many holes in the stories, terrible alibis, too many monsters that know of each other or actually know each other. Incredibly complicated family history. 100s of POIs, thousand of leads and still no solid lead on what actually happened to poor little William. It is too too sad. Have so many thoughts and theories in my head, hard to know what to believe. Looking forward to William, his loved ones and the police having some closure and justice. Hard to believe no one saw anything.... JMOO
Been following for a long time and thanks to all WS's for their input, wonderful forum.
Does anyone know if PB remembered his lunch location and had it backed up? Did he meet up with AJ? Sorry if discussed and confirmed earlier and I missed it...

"Paul Bickford, who is serving a suspended sentence for indecently assaulting a girl with Asperger&#8217;s syndrome, said he wants four-year-old William found as the investigation is causing him &#8220;grief&#8221;. Bickford recounted to The Daily Telegraph what he was doing on September 12, 2014, as he and his wife entertained friends for lunch but he struggled to recall the *location."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/william-tyrrell-paedophile-paul-bickford-denies-being-involved-in-abducting-toddler/news-story/f529bb861df943535bd22318a662628a

 

[Sillybilly]

"Paul Bickford, who is serving a suspended sentence for indecently assaulting a girl with Asperger’s syndrome, said he wants four-year-old William found as the investigation is causing him “grief”. Bickford recounted to The Daily Telegraph what he was doing on September 12, 2014, as he and his wife entertained friends for lunch but he struggled to recall the *location."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/william-tyrrell-paedophile-paul-bickford-denies-being-involved-in-abducting-toddler/news-story/f529bb861df943535bd22318a662628a

<rsbm>

Perhaps his wife or one of his friends could recall the location?

 

[deugirtni]

No I can't lead you to a link, if he had been at the assembly, he had a pretty watertight alibi, I can't imagine the police putting so much pressure on him.
If he had been there, surely one person would have spoken out in his defense, I know I would, I think the silence is telling.
The police have said there were discrepancies in his story.
This is just the way my dots join.

With such serious allegations, and especially being played out publicly in the media, many might think it prudent to not play into that, and instead to keep any evidence for such time as it may be required for one's defence once in the courts, which would ultimately decide on its validity. If he could prove he had been at the assembly, I'm not sure if that would absolutely mean he had a pretty watertight alibi, since I'm not sure what time the assembly was in its entirety, nor whether he could prove the exact time that he was in attendance - for part, or for the full thing, and if part, which part. Also, IIRC, police were pursuing a theory of a 'pedo ring' at the time, which they have now 'all but' discounted. I'm not sure if BS was perhaps included in that 'line of enquiry', but somehow, I am assuming he was included. Perhaps police wondered if he was one of the players in the 'ring'.

I don't believe we have seen any quotes from those who may hold the actual knowledge, since it seems that those individuals have refused comment. I think MSM has only been able to obtain quotes from third hand parties, such as CY, and perhaps other 'unnamed' sources. Police normally do their investigations privately, without telling the media and the public about what the outcomes of their leads are, until such time as the case lands in a courtroom. For all we know, police could have a shiteload of evidence (on him, in general, and/or on other people) that we (and the media) know nothing about. Any lawyer worth his salt will tell a client not to speak to media, and for good reason. Therefore, imho, any silence is not really very telling.

 

[bearbear]

a msm photographer max mason hubers took a lot of interesting photos of the search and location etc
reposting the link, hopefully it works, some of the photos show how dense the bush is and very isolated


http://www.fairfaxsyndication.com/a...-Forest.-20th-October-2014.-2ITHRGYG75FT.html

 

[JLZ]

Are pedophiles' cars ever fitted with tracking devices in addition to or instead of a personal bracelet? I'm just imagining someone being asked why the tracker was missing from their car, and them explaining, oh it must have fallen off when I went over a bump in Middle Brother Forest. Something like that.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes a highly motivated seller. Maybe he was frightened of his neighbors. Maybe the location of some cars on the border of his property brought a lot of heat down on him from the police and it was traumatic for him to be under any suspicion

Speaking of those cars that FM remembered later that evening.. they were said to have been there when the first officer on the scene arrived. Wouldn't an officer have recorded everything about he observed when he attended the call? And if not, wouldn't he also have had at least a memory of them being there, etc? It was later that same day that WT went missing that FM remembered, and then reported to the command post in the back yard.. so it seems that should have been soon enough afterwards that the officer would have been able to remember seeing them, imho. Thoughts?

 

[sosocurious]

Speaking of those cars that FM remembered later that evening.. they were said to have been there when the first officer on the scene arrived. Wouldn't an officer have recorded everything about he observed when he attended the call? And if not, wouldn't he also have had at least a memory of them being there, etc? It was later that same day that WT went missing that FM remembered, and then reported to the command post in the back yard.. so it seems that should have been soon enough afterwards that the officer would have been able to remember seeing them, imho. Thoughts?

Part 1 from about 12:10 of the video

No, fm said the cars were not there when the first police car - Chris Rowley arrived.
She waved him down from the position on the road that she had seen the cars parked earlier that morning.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k/news-story/a01f0873e1df51515a73d8bfdb0e4f9f

 

[Morrisa]

"William Tyrrell petition demands inquest"

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-there-is-something-very-wrong-with-this-case

 

[kiwi50]

With such serious allegations, and especially being played out publicly in the media, many might think it prudent to not play into that, and instead to keep any evidence for such time as it may be required for one's defence once in the courts, which would ultimately decide on its validity. If he could prove he had been at the assembly, I'm not sure if that would absolutely mean he had a pretty watertight alibi, since I'm not sure what time the assembly was in its entirety, nor whether he could prove the exact time that he was in attendance - for part, or for the full thing, and if part, which part. Also, IIRC, police were pursuing a theory of a 'pedo ring' at the time, which they have now 'all but' discounted. I'm not sure if BS was perhaps included in that 'line of enquiry', but somehow, I am assuming he was included. Perhaps police wondered if he was one of the players in the 'ring'.

I don't believe we have seen any quotes from those who may hold the actual knowledge, since it seems that those individuals have refused comment. I think MSM has only been able to obtain quotes from third hand parties, such as CY, and perhaps other 'unnamed' sources. Police normally do their investigations privately, without telling the media and the public about what the outcomes of their leads are, until such time as the case lands in a courtroom. For all we know, police could have a shiteload of evidence (on him, in general, and/or on other people) that we (and the media) know nothing about. Any lawyer worth his salt will tell a client not to speak to media, and for good reason. Therefore, imho, any silence is not really very telling.

Yes of course a lawyer would usually tell his client not to talk to the media, but that's based on the fact the odds are his client is more likely to be guilty.
In this case if I knew I was innocent, I'd be very unimpressed to be paying to get this advice.
As it drags on for years, I'd be more than happy to be able to prove my innocence to anyone who would listen.
It's a wonder his mate isn't speaking on his behalf anymore.

 

[Detective Willy]

delete

 

[Wexford]

With such serious allegations, and especially being played out publicly in the media, many might think it prudent to not play into that, and instead to keep any evidence for such time as it may be required for one's defence once in the courts, which would ultimately decide on its validity. If he could prove he had been at the assembly, I'm not sure if that would absolutely mean he had a pretty watertight alibi, since I'm not sure what time the assembly was in its entirety, nor whether he could prove the exact time that he was in attendance - for part, or for the full thing, and if part, which part. Also, IIRC, police were pursuing a theory of a 'pedo ring' at the time, which they have now 'all but' discounted. I'm not sure if BS was perhaps included in that 'line of enquiry', but somehow, I am assuming he was included. Perhaps police wondered if he was one of the players in the 'ring'.

I don't believe we have seen any quotes from those who may hold the actual knowledge, since it seems that those individuals have refused comment. I think MSM has only been able to obtain quotes from third hand parties, such as CY, and perhaps other 'unnamed' sources. Police normally do their investigations privately, without telling the media and the public about what the outcomes of their leads are, until such time as the case lands in a courtroom. For all we know, police could have a shiteload of evidence (on him, in general, and/or on other people) that we (and the media) know nothing about. Any lawyer worth his salt will tell a client not to speak to media, and for good reason. Therefore, imho, any silence is not really very telling.

Agree...but following that line of thought why do a public video to profess his innocence...which would have been another place to also provide the photos/evidence to prove that same evidence......and not provide it?

 

[they'll get you]

the person was likely to be visiting, residing, working in Benaroon Drive

That suggestion hasn't left anything out.

 

[Bohemian]

"William Tyrrell petition demands inquest"

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-there-is-something-very-wrong-with-this-case

Ah, yes, the elephant in the room.

 

[Bohemian]

Are pedophiles' cars ever fitted with tracking devices in addition to or instead of a personal bracelet? I'm just imagining someone being asked why the tracker was missing from their car, and them explaining, oh it must have fallen off when I went over a bump in Middle Brother Forest. Something like that.

It doesn&#8217;t seem implausible that a person suspected of any serious crime*, including child sex offences, could have a &#8216;tracking device&#8217; fitted to their vehicle(s) by investigators.

In that case, I can imagine the &#8217;It must&#8217;ve fallen off when I went over a bump in [insert location here].&#8217; could be a POI&#8217;s explanation for the device&#8217;s &#8216;disappearance&#8217; (and for a subsequent site-specific search wrt another investigation).

[*Note: Isn&#8217;t there a current Australian case where a murder suspect had a &#8216;tracking device&#8217; fitted to their vehicle by police and it subsequently &#8216;disappeared&#8217;? ]

 

[Bohemian]

Spedding... Hillsley.... Bickford.... Jones.... Nichols.... And who else? Who knows.... Well someone does. There are too many holes in the stories, terrible alibis, too many monsters that know of each other or actually know each other. Incredibly complicated family history. 100s of POIs, thousand of leads and still no solid lead on what actually happened to poor little William. It is too too sad. Have so many thoughts and theories in my head, hard to know what to believe. Looking forward to William, his loved ones and the police having some closure and justice. Hard to believe no one saw anything.... JMOO
Been following for a long time and thanks to all WS's for their input, wonderful forum.
[RSBM]

Hi PK. Nice to see you here.

 

[ParaK]

Hi PK. Nice to see you here.

Hi Bohemian, Thank you!

 

[matey]

"William Tyrrell petition demands inquest"

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-there-is-something-very-wrong-with-this-case

I believe that there should be a Coronial Inquest into William's case. He disappeared 3 years ago and this case doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

The Morcombes demanded a Coronial Inquest 5 years after Daniel disappeared. They had to keep fighting for it to happen.

I think the only way we are going to get any action in William's case is to have a Coronial Inquest for the truth to come out and find those responsible for his disappearance, so that justice can be served and his beautiful foster family and loved ones can have some closure.

I'm all for it. Bring it on as I wouldn't like to see this turn into a cold case !!!

 

[Bohemian]

Just a thought, one of the site-specific searches may have been in response to AJ’s ‘alibi’:

’It is understood Jones told police and family he was "out bush" collecting scrap metal on the day William went missing from Kendall.’

Wife horrified at probe into estranged husband over William Tyrrell disappearance
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/wife-horr...am-tyrrell-disappearance-20151002-gk03hc.html​

 

[deugirtni]

Part 1 from about 12:10 of the video

No, fm said the cars were not there when the first police car - Chris Rowley arrived.
She waved him down from the position on the road that she had seen the cars parked earlier that morning.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k/news-story/a01f0873e1df51515a73d8bfdb0e4f9f

Thanks soso, I had recently finished listening to parts I and II of the FP interviews, and I misunderstood what she said. Looking back, I see that she did definitely clarify a bit later, "Those cars were not there, they were not there when we were looking for him."