Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

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I'm a little new to this thread but have been following little William's case since the beginning. What makes them think William is still alive? I recall a few months ago, a man was stopped at the airport for travelling with a child that resembled William. Do they believe William was trafficked?

hi. new here too. they say alive because it's possible? and also it's a sensitive subject?

haven't heard much about trafficking yet. I think the case u are referring to was when someone thought they saw him ( boarding, or on a flight for NZ,& the cops were there when they arrived - i think MOO)
 
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hi. new here too. they say alive because it's possible? and also it's a sensitive subject?

haven't heard much about trafficking yet. I think the case u are referring to was when someone thought they saw him ( boarding, or on a flight for NZ,& the cops were there when they arrived - i think MOO)

That's right, iailwa :thumb: IIRC a couple of passengers and a crew member thought it was William they saw on their flight to New Zealand. The Police were at the airport waiting for the plane to land. It's unfortunate it wasn't little William :(
 
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Guys, where is little William? stats show that he is unlikely to be alive, but of course he hopefully could be an outlier on the wishful bell curve (such as Elizabath Smart). What is the typical radius of the actual assault? I think Bo knows this kind of info. Is it usually within the first hour or two, within 3km or so? I read here previously, that by known stats, the radius of the assault is usually close (within 3km), then it moves outward for the disposal of the body (double at least the distance) if in fact there is a disposal... Can anyone update me? Needing a refresher ... thanks :(
 
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Guys, where is little William? stats show that he is unlikely to be alive, but of course he hopefully could be an outlier on the wishful bell curve (such as Elizabath Smart). What is the typical radius of the actual assault? I think Bo knows this kind of info. Is it usually within the first hour or two, within 3km or so? I read here previously, that by known stats, the radius of the assault is usually close (within 3km), then it moves outward for the disposal of the body (double at least the distance) if in fact there is a disposal... Can anyone update me? Needing a refresher ... thanks :(

If he is alive, I hope he is safe and well. There must be a reason he is not assumed dead by LE. Maybe they have seen him in pictures/videos.

MOO
 
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If he is alive, I hope he is safe and well. There must be a reason he is not assumed dead by LE. Maybe they have seen him in pictures/videos.

MOO

I think the reasons are because he has not been found and it's a sensitive subject... MOO

perhaps vidoes/pictures - but surely they are traceable ?? idk. some sources are untraceable true

didn't someone in the courts recently say they think he is deceased :( although that's not definitive ... just an opinion

what are the chances, i guess that's what i am asking? like stats. again - i hope he is an out-lier on the bell curve - that would be awesome, in this case - like some others have showed to be. hope xx
 
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Still think of William often
I believe the police are doing their best and will solve this case soon.
I hope and pray that whatever evidence is needed to secure a conviction is found, or the person/s they need to come forward with any small bit of information to help the investigation move along in a certain direction comes forward. I also believe the police know who is responsible. It’s all a matter of time as to when this person lets their guard down. Gary won’t give up.
 
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Still think of William often
I believe the police are doing their best and will solve this case soon.
I hope and pray that whatever evidence is needed to secure a conviction is found, or the person/s they need to come forward with any small bit of information to help the investigation move along in a certain direction comes forward. I also believe the police know who is responsible. It’s all a matter of time as to when this person lets their guard down. Gary won’t give up.

I totally agree with everything you have said. Thank you to you and everyone here for caring about William.
 
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I got the impression from the police presser on the 3rd anniversary that police are not of the opinion that WT is alive, even though they do not have evidence either way. GJ said something about the police dealing in reality around this disappearance, which I thought was a veiled way of saying, it is unlikely a three year old missing for 3 years in mysterious circumstances is alive. Maybe I interpreted him wrongly. Was thinking about the strategy behind the ACA interview with KL and NC applying to centerlink for a 3 bedroom premises. If police really wanted to know if they were going to try to house WT, why didn't they just ask the department to grant them the premises and put them under surveillance? If the police had interviewed KL earlier in the week before the interview, I wonder who contacted ACA, and would ACA run any interviews past the police 1st to see if what they are pursuing would interfere with the investigation? Were they giving the women air time to see what kind of scrabbling amongst other POI's was going on in the background? MOO
 
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so disturbing...

Child sex trafficking is the second-fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world, second only to the drug trade. Male victims of sex trafficking have historically been its invisible population.
On the dark web, which houses “shopping” sites for paedophiles, 80 per cent of traffic is sexual predators, he said.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...e/news-story/a3e3de58f1a1d76fc11084172b497ca3
 
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so disturbing...

Child sex trafficking is the second-fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world, second only to the drug trade. Male victims of sex trafficking have historically been its invisible population.
On the dark web, which houses “shopping” sites for paedophiles, 80 per cent of traffic is sexual predators, he said.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...e/news-story/a3e3de58f1a1d76fc11084172b497ca3

Heartbreaking.... I was a little alarmed recently when a Chinese woman I was speaking to about taking my daughter to the Phillipines for a friends wedding, gave me some quite stern looks and tried to imply I would want to keep a very close eye on her...my daughter is s stunning red hair 12 year old with striking blue eyes... scared the crap out of me... enough to have some rethinking of my plans... [emoji35]


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Heartbreaking.... I was a little alarmed recently when a Chinese woman I was speaking to about taking my daughter to the Phillipines for a friends wedding, gave me some quite stern looks and tried to imply I would want to keep a very close eye on her...my daughter is s stunning red hair 12 year old with striking blue eyes... scared the crap out of me... enough to have some rethinking of my plans... [emoji35]

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It's really sad that in today's society it is up to the victim to be safe :(
 
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W4W Walking Warriors Australia is at State Coroners Court.
Yesterday at 18:08 · Sydney ·
Coronial inquest update...
Progress so far:
17th Oct 2017 - Petition submitted to NSW State Coroner's Office...
https://www.facebook.com/WalkingWarriorsAustralia/


I don't know if I can link on here the above? In this post there are apparently postings from WT's biological grandmother NC, under the name NN. There are many grammatical errors in her posts which can make it difficult to understand at times, but she refers to her "granddaughters" twice and I don't think she made the same error twice, her POV about who is responsible for WT's disappearance is also made a bit clearer than in previous MSM articles.
 
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I got the impression from the police presser on the 3rd anniversary that police are not of the opinion that WT is alive, even though they do not have evidence either way. GJ said something about the police dealing in reality around this disappearance, which I thought was a veiled way of saying, it is unlikely a three year old missing for 3 years in mysterious circumstances is alive. Maybe I interpreted him wrongly. Was thinking about the strategy behind the ACA interview with KL and NC applying to centerlink for a 3 bedroom premises. If police really wanted to know if they were going to try to house WT, why didn't they just ask the department to grant them the premises and put them under surveillance? If the police had interviewed KL earlier in the week before the interview, I wonder who contacted ACA, and would ACA run any interviews past the police 1st to see if what they are pursuing would interfere with the investigation? Were they giving the women air time to see what kind of scrabbling amongst other POI's was going on in the background? MOO

Great poste Froggy. I've often pondered also. Interesting NC seems to have gone very quiet these days. But then, I guess one could easily get to that point - it must be an unbearably dufficult situation to have your child just suddenly disappear. ..a child you have held in your arms, loved & nurtured. (I know the flip side of a loss when you've never been able to hold etc, as have others here ..and personally that's a really bumpy road) IMO, this would be even more challenging / devastating / destroying ..

However IMO where there is Life, there is Hope..

Parents Denise & Bruce Morecombe never rested in their quest for answers to their Don Daniel's disappearance, they were vocal & public facing, they pushed the boundaries in their assistance to the investigating team.

I can't help wonder if that same degree of loving family involvement is happening in William's case. . I would hope so, because IMO relevant things can suddenly come to mind at the oddest of occasions ... and holding that thought, I value the stuff that may pop up in the minds of those many family members who have 'claim' to this little boy.

My Prayers & love for William, whatever the situation is, and that encompasses the delivery of fitting penalty for those responsible for his removal.
 
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Not responding to but jumping off your post, the Morcombe case although high profile was so different to WT's. The only thing similar is that it was one of those once in a decade/career crimes, but Daniel's abduction, assault and murder was almost textbook. It was understood quickly, that he had been abducted. I don't think there was ever any public suspicion about his family as there were many people who witnessed Daniel at the underpass the day he went missing, and he was seen near other people and vehichles. There were identikit photos of POI's and vehichle descriptions and later as we have come to find out, much information gathered in the 1st weeks of CSA's whereabout, it's just that the information was not followed up on for reasons unknown at present. I don't know when, but the Morcombes seemed to have understood that the worse possible case scenario had likely happened to their child and they had the courage of lions to stare down all the refuse that crossed their path to get to their child.

WT's case is extaordinary again, with other people's and government departments needs having competed for consideration in this missing child case. The circumstances around his custody make it nearly impossible for any close family biological or foster to effectively advocate for him. Due to the nature of his disappearance ( with the carers being the last to see him and trying to be granted his sister's sole guardians since his disappearance) I think a saint would be hard pressed to co-operate in these conditions and trust the authorities in this case. MOO
 
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Not responding to but jumping off your post, the Morcombe case although high profile was so different to WT's. The only thing similar is that it was one of those once in a decade/career crimes, but Daniel's abduction, assault and murder was almost textbook. It was understood quickly, that he had been abducted. I don't think there was ever any public suspicion about his family as there were many people who witnessed Daniel at the underpass the day he went missing, and he was seen near other people and vehichles. There were identikit photos of POI's and vehichle descriptions and later as we have come to find out, much information gathered in the 1st weeks of CSA's whereabout, it's just that the information was not followed up on for reasons unknown at present. I don't know when, but the Morcombes seemed to have understood that the worse possible case scenario had likely happened to their child and they had the courage of lions to stare down all the refuse that crossed their path to get to their child.

WT's case is extaordinary again, with other people's and government departments needs having competed for consideration in this missing child case. The circumstances around his custody make it nearly impossible for any close family biological or foster to effectively advocate for him. Due to the nature of his disappearance ( with the carers being the last to see him and trying to be granted his sister's sole guardians since his disappearance) I think a saint would be hard pressed to co-operate in these conditions and trust the authorities in this case. MOO

hey Froggie, and Thankyou .. I'm appreciative of your response, most well articulated & sound .. (said tongue in cheek with most respect as you always provide value to me)

Most seriously tho, I do feel that William's case has been hindered by the age old problem of 'too many fingers in the pie' !

It's a very sad indictment of our society that a child's wellbeing & safety is governed by the KPI measurements put upon very stressed out & under-resourced DOCS workers ...
 
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Date Time Case no. Case name Jurisdiction Court Listing type Presiding officer Location Court room List no.
27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00154380 R v DANIEL ERNEST MYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
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27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00316404 R v DANIEL ERNEST MEYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
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27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00191848 R v DANIEL ERNEST MYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
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http://www.2gb.com/podcast/wheres-william-tyrrell/

The Chris Smith show on 2GB. Chris Smith interviews GJ on 3rd anniversary of WT's disappearance. Things I found interesting in this interview were :

1. 1.40 Chris' ringing endorsment of the FP's as he has experienced them outside of the bounds of the interviewing them.

2. 2.10 Announces WT's bio Dad as "former prison inmate" Brendan Collins.

3. 6.23 CS Q. Do you think you have interviewed the person who took William? GJ prefaces his answer with his own personal experiences in homicide cases and international cases he knows of to qualify his
answer.
4. After 6.23 other theories are offered as to what the Stikeforce have been looking at in this case, which I thought was interesting for this forums perspective, all the different scenarios they have considered,
that we have looked at.

5. 7.30 C.S. says what concerns him most is the type of people that may be connected to WT's biological father, who may have taken it upon themselves to take him, and mentions William having been "adopted". GJ answers or indulges this scenario and doesn't
correct this statement, leaving me scratching my head.
MOO
 
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I really wish William was at home with his sister getting excited for Christmas. I wonder if we will ever know what happened to him it is a terrible tragedy.
 
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No 5 .Very interesting
 
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Date Time Case no. Case name Jurisdiction Court Listing type Presiding officer Location Court room List no.
27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00154380 R v DANIEL ERNEST MYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
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27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00316404 R v DANIEL ERNEST MEYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
-
27 Nov 10:00 am 2017/00191848 R v DANIEL ERNEST MYERS Criminal District Court First Mention (DC Appeal)
Unassigned
Port Macquarie
Unassigned
-

wonder what this is about?
 
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