Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[Bohemian]

Yes Bo - your children. I can think of no better reason to fight, then your children.

imo

Yes. They didn’t ask to be born. Commit to them and take responsibility for them, and make damned sure that their lives and the lives of their children are better than yours.

Bless the carers who take on the role of doing that for children when their own parents can’t or won’t.

 

[Bohemian]

When someone has anger issues i don't think it crosses their mind in the moment. She is angry for sure IMO.
I have been angry too in my life, but life has a way of mellowing you out after a while.

Mostly it’s a choice — if you have a willingness to change, insight and a skilled therapist. Problems with impulse control can have many causes. Some of them are not easily remedied.

 

[sosocurious]

Sometimes i don't think it's as cut & dry and simple as that though, depending on the people involved. All IMO

Karinna I do see your point. It is never easy and no two situations are ever the same.
But the onus does fall on us as individuals to find the right people to be involved with ..personal or professional.
imo

 

[Karinna]

Yes. They didn’t ask to be born. Commit to them and take responsibility for them, and make damn sure that their lives and the lives of their children are better than yours.

Bless those grandparents x

And most people will try to do that in a normal situation. I think the most important thing as a parent is to teach children that parents do make mistakes and we're not perfect, none of us are, but we can do better and we committ to doing that. Some people probably aren't quite there yet, because it also comes with maturity and growth.

 

[Karinna]

Karinna I do see your point. It is never easy and no two situations are the same.
But the onus does fall us as individuals to find the right people to be involved with ..personal or professional.
imo

Yes definitely. How can children that grow up in dysfunctional families know how to be if they are never taught properly about how to be a good parent though? I think that is also a big part of it, and now with so many single parents too. I think parenting is hugely challenging nowadays.

 

[Bohemian]

And most people will try to do that in a normal situation. I think the most important thing as a parent is to teach children that parents do make mistakes and we're not perfect, none of us are, but we can do better and we committ to doing that. Some people probably aren't quite there yet, because it also comes with maturity and growth.

Yes, but you can’t keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Children are developing a sense of self during their childhood and believe me they don’t have the time for us as parents to get our acts together at our convenience. It’s damaging and it has ramifications in their adult lives and the lives of their children.

 

[louisepiglet]

Yes, but you can’t keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Children are developing a sense of self during their childhood and believe me they don’t have the time for us as parents to get our acts together at our convenience. It’s damaging and it has ramifications in their lives and the lives of their children.

BBM. Like having children removed because of a violent drug addicted criminal partner/father then going on to have more children with that same person.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes definitely. How can children that grow up in dysfunctional families know how to be if they are never taught properly about how to be a good parent though? I think that is also a big part of it, and now with so many single parents too. I think parenting is hugely challenging nowadays.

All the more reason for their removal from chronically damaging and dysfunctional families if their parents won’t or can’t change, I’m very sorry to say.

 

[Bohemian]

BBM. Like having children removed because of a violent drug addicted criminal partner/father then going on to have more children with that same person.

If the situation that resulted in the removal of children persists, while every effort has been made to support change? Then, yes.

 

[sosocurious]

And most people will try to do that in a normal situation. I think the most important thing as a parent is to teach children that parents do make mistakes and we're not perfect, none of us are, but we can do better and we committ to doing that. Some people probably aren't quite there yet, because it also comes with maturity and growth.

It really does make that morning up in Benaroon drive in Nana's lovely big private garden. Seem so normal. The children running around playing, pics being snapped. Kids needing to toilet and the mature adults grabbing a cuppa while the kids laughed , giggled and played.
Was it a mistake to take your eyes of your child for a few minutes? :dunno:
Was Karlie keeping her eye on the children while being aggressive to customers in a public place and spitting in the laws face.

What a ruddy mess....
Where are you dear little William?
imo

 

[Bohemian]

It really does make that morning up in Benaroon drive in Nana's lovely big private garden. Seem so normal. The children running around playing, pics being snapped. Kids needing to toilet and the mature adults grabbing a cuppa while the kids laughed , giggled and played.
Was it a mistake to take your eyes of your child for a few minutes? :dunno:
Was Karlie keeping her eye on the children while being aggressive to customers in a public place and spitting in the laws face.

What a ruddy mess....
Where are you dear little William?
imo

This brings a screamingly obvious double standard that exists in some quarters into very sharp focus, doesn’t it? To us anyway.

 

[Karinna]

It really does make that morning up in Benaroon drive in Nana's lovely big private garden. Seem so normal. The children running around playing, pics being snapped. Kids needing to toilet and the mature adults grabbing a cuppa while the kids laughed , giggled and played.
Was it a mistake to take your eyes of your child for a few minutes? :dunno:
Was Karlie keeping her eye on the children while being aggressive to customers in a public place and spitting in the laws face.

What a ruddy mess....
Where are you dear little William?
imo

There is no way i personally would of left a 3 year old out in that big unfenced yard with the bush surrounding it to go inside that house to make a cuppa or whatever else and felt comfortable doing so. In fact when i had my last child i was called overprotective, but that's just me. Obviously other people would be okay with it.

 

[Hbayne]

It really does make that morning up in Benaroon drive in Nana's lovely big private garden. Seem so normal. The children running around playing, pics being snapped. Kids needing to toilet and the mature adults grabbing a cuppa while the kids laughed , giggled and played.
Was it a mistake to take your eyes of your child for a few minutes? :dunno:
Was Karlie keeping her eye on the children while being aggressive to customers in a public place and spitting in the laws face.

What a ruddy mess....
Where are you dear little William?
imo

You are so spot on soso, all the Blame the poor fp got for taking their eyes of a child for 5-10 minutes in a safe environment. Can only imagine what he had been through before .

 

[Karinna]

All the more reason for their removal from chronically damaging and dysfunctional families if their parents won’t or can’t change, I’m very sorry to say.

There are lots of dysfunctional families that manage not to have their children removed. If children are physically or sexually abused they definitely should be removed from that situation. The court deemed WT & his sister were "at risk", meaning i would think that nothing had actually happened to them yet, but there was a risk of it.
If KT chooses to live with a drug addict that is also her risk. But NC has stated she is no longer with him.

 

[sosocurious]

You are so spot on soso, all the Blame the poor fp got for taking their eyes of a child for 5-10 minutes in a safe environment. Can only imagine what he had been through before .

I really don't want to imagine, Hbayne.
I trust Jubes.

"We are well aware of William's circumstances," Homicide Squad Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said.
"It doesn't impact on the investigation, if anything it is a distraction at this stage.
"William was being raised in a loving family environment and it did not play any part in his disappearance."

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...ly-status-not-linked-to-disappearance-police/

 

[kiwi50]

There is no way i personally would of left a 3 year old out in that big unfenced yard with the bush surrounding it to go inside that house to make a cuppa or whatever else and felt comfortable doing so. In fact when i had my last child i was called overprotective, but that's just me. Obviously other people would be okay with it.

I think I would have been happy to let my 3 year old run around the house with his sister while I was only feet away and could hear them.
I don’t think anyone in their wildest dreams would have imagined their child was going to be snatched in that peaceful setting. She knew William wasn’t a wanderer.

 

[Bohemian]

There is no way i personally would of left a 3 year old out in that big unfenced yard with the bush surrounding it to go inside that house to make a cuppa or whatever else and felt comfortable doing so. In fact when i had my last child i was called overprotective, but that's just me. Obviously other people would be okay with it.

I wouldn’t either but William’s FM was not the only person there. His FGM was, his sister was and there was lots of activity. These were surroundings where the adults felt comfortable and safe whilst being confident that William was not a ‘wanderer’.

Regardless, William’s disappearance is not their fault. It is not Karlie’s fault, nor Brendan’s, FaCS, the Children’s Court, or anyone else’s fault but that of the person or persons unknown who intervened in William’s life that day — pure and simple.

 

[Bohemian]

There are lots of dysfunctional families that manage not to have their children removed. If children are physically or sexually abused they definitely should be removed from that situation. The court deemed WT & his sister were "at risk", meaning i would think that nothing had actually happened to them yet, but there was a risk of it.
If KT chooses to live with a drug addict that is also her risk. But NC has stated she is no longer with him.

It’s not that simple. You are disregarding the effects of parental neglect due to drug abuse and the trauma experienced by children who witness domestic violence. The ‘risk’ of psychological harm to children in families such as this is undeniable, let alone the risk of (often accidental) physical harm.

 

[sosocurious]

It’s not that simple. You are disregarding the effects of parental neglect due to drug abuse and the trauma of children witnessing domestic violence. The ‘risk’ of psychological harm to children in families such as this is undeniable, let alone the risk of (often accidental) physical harm.

If someone cannot control their aggression in a public place whilst their children are present and spits in the face of the law.
I dread to think what goes on behind closed doors.
imo

 

[sleepinoz]

I try not to be judgemental of people i really know nothing much about and not personally knowing them either.
Who is enabling her to do what? She had two of her children ripped out of her arms by FACS/police because of a problematic situation she was in with the poor choices she made in her life. Her son is missing feared dead while in State care, and she should just be fine with all of that? I would be p****ed off as heck too if i was her. If WT hadn't of been removed from her care he would probably still be where he should be, with his family, IMO.

You are being judgemental just by making excuses for her behaviour. She's had many chances IMO - one child taken then another at least 7 months later, how long before the next 2?

I have empathy for her situation, but for heavens sake get your act together girl for the children you have with you.

Her children were ripped out of her arms for a reason, and it seems those reasons continue.

Everyone makes poor choices in life, most learn from those, some don't.