Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[SouthAussie]

Do you mean this one?

A key witness in the case against Bill Spedding has been described as “obsessive, compulsive and bizarre” by a judge, who said she had a history of making similar allegations against men, court documents reveal.

Mr Spedding, who was identified as a “person of interest” by police investigating the dis*appearance of William Tyrrell last September, was last week granted bail on unrelated child-sex charges..........

The witness, who cannot be named, claimed Mr Spedding and another woman sexually abused children. These alle*gations, which were unrelated to the charges he now faces, were rejected by a judge, who said he was “reasonably satisfied” the abuse did not occur.

The judge found the witness may also have sought to influence the evidence of the children allegedly involved, the court documents show.

The witness, who has separately alleged Mr Spedding committed the offences for which he currently faces charges, was *“obsessive, compulsive and *bizarre”, the judge said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2
Witness against Bill Spedding described as ‘bizarre, obsessive’
June 27, 2015

These legal types sure like that word "bizarre", don't they? Must be a trendy word in their peer circle.


Mr O'Brien argued in the age of social media publication of the details of the Victorian charges against Spedding would lead to "perverse, unusual and bizarre results".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...l-spedding-will-try-to-stop-nsw-trial/7669984

 

[Bohemian]

Do you mean this one?

A key witness in the case against Bill Spedding has been described as “obsessive, compulsive and bizarre” by a judge, who said she had a history of making similar allegations against men, court documents reveal.

Mr Spedding, who was identified as a “person of interest” by police investigating the dis*appearance of William Tyrrell last September, was last week granted bail on unrelated child-sex charges..........

The witness, who cannot be named, claimed Mr Spedding and another woman sexually abused children. These alle*gations, which were unrelated to the charges he now faces, were rejected by a judge, who said he was “reasonably satisfied” the abuse did not occur.

The judge found the witness may also have sought to influence the evidence of the children allegedly involved, the court documents show.

The witness, who has separately alleged Mr Spedding committed the offences for which he currently faces charges, was *“obsessive, compulsive and *bizarre”, the judge said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2
Witness against Bill Spedding described as ‘bizarre, obsessive’
June 27, 2015

Thank you soso. That’s the one.

Also, these two:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...dering-rapist-court-told-20150614-ghnx8h.html

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...of-bill-spedding-over-missing-william-tyrrell

 

[sosocurious]

There was a link to a judge's description of the mother of the two victims. It seemed to be his summation of how he considered her evidence in what appeared to be a family law situation, (custodial access?), a few years after the crimes. The judge described her as having had a history of accusing other men of things, real evidence of coaching?. MOO

During Friday’s bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.
"[There is a] real issue that either or both victims have been coached or cajoled into making the allegations that they make," Justice Bellow said.
"It is difficult to accept the Crown case is strong in circumstances where, as I have pointed out, that one of the victims has no recollection at all about the incident.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3157788/spedding-walks-from-prison/
Bill Spedding, questioned over William Tyrrell disappearance, bailed over child sex offences.

Mr Spedding, who will face court again in June, has recently approached one of his alleged victims, asking her to state she was not abused, court documents allege: “After he has become aware of police making enquiries concerning he and the Tyrrell matter, the accused has commenced contacting those known to him requesting they provide him with statutory declarations endorsing his good character.”

One alleged victim told police “the accused has directly lobbied her for a declaration that states he did not sexually abuse her or similar when she was a child”.

After his arrest on Wednesday, this alleged victim received calls and a text message from a “third party” known to Mr Spedding, which read, “It really saddens me you’re involved in this”, the documents allege.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4
Sex-ring assaults of sisters alleged

He is off to trial in not too many sleeps...none the less.

 

[SouthAussie]

During Friday’s bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.

RSBM

Is it odd that a Supreme Court Justice is presiding over this case?

When I google "Supreme Court Paedophile" it seems that they only - usually - preside over child sex cases that involve priests and persons working within the institution of organised religion, and I found a few involving cases of serial pedophiles.

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[frogwell]

During Friday’s bail application, NSW Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Bellow said there were many "substantive issues" with the case against Mr Spedding.
"[There is a] real issue that either or both victims have been coached or cajoled into making the allegations that they make," Justice Bellow said.
"It is difficult to accept the Crown case is strong in circumstances where, as I have pointed out, that one of the victims has no recollection at all about the incident.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3157788/spedding-walks-from-prison/
Bill Spedding, questioned over William Tyrrell disappearance, bailed over child sex offences.

Mr Spedding, who will face court again in June, has recently approached one of his alleged victims, asking her to state she was not abused, court documents allege: “After he has become aware of police making enquiries concerning he and the Tyrrell matter, the accused has commenced contacting those known to him requesting they provide him with statutory declarations endorsing his good character.”

One alleged victim told police “the accused has directly lobbied her for a declaration that states he did not sexually abuse her or similar when she was a child”.

After his arrest on Wednesday, this alleged victim received calls and a text message from a “third party” known to Mr Spedding, which read, “It really saddens me you’re involved in this”, the documents allege.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4
Sex-ring assaults of sisters alleged

He is off to trial in not too many sleeps...none the less.

bbm................ it seems after the police made enquiries of him about WT he sought the stat decs and the issue must have come up with the police about the CSA's at that time before they had a warrant to dig his place up, because he specifically asked her to state that he had not sexually abused her.

 

[frogwell]

RSBM

Is it odd that a Supreme Court Justice is presiding over this case?

When I google "Supreme Court Paedophile" it seems that they only - usually - preside over child sex cases that involve priests and persons working within the institution of organised religion, and I found a few involving cases of serial pedophiles.

.

It is a bail application appeal that the Supreme Court judge is presiding over, not a trial.

 

[SouthAussie]

It is a bail application appeal that the Supreme Court judge is presiding over, not a trial.

Oh yes ... of course. Thanks for that.

I forgot he had bail refused, then contested it and was freed on bail by the Supreme Court.


If you or someone you know has had bail refused in the Parramatta bail court, Central bail court or a Local Court you can apply to the Supreme Court for bail. It normally takes seven to 14 days to get a court date.
https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/bail/supreme-court

 

[frogwell]

Oh yes ... of course. Thanks for that.

I forgot he had bail refused, then contested it and was freed on bail by the Supreme Court.


If you or someone you know has had bail refused in the Parramatta bail court, Central bail court or a Local Court you can apply to the Supreme Court for bail. It normally takes seven to 14 days to get a court date.
https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/bail/supreme-court

BS appeal came about 3 months after he was arrested and refused bail.

 

[sosocurious]

bbm................ it seems after the police made enquiries of him about WT he sought the stat decs and the issue must have come up with the police about the CSA's at that time before they had a warrant to dig his place up, because he specifically asked her to state that he had not sexually abused her.

We have done this all before frog.

TRADESMAN Bill Spedding was interviewed by Family and Community Services about his treatment of children just days before detectives began investigating him over the disappearance of little William Tyrell.

Mr Spedding had been initially interviewed by FACS workers on December 9 last year in an inquiry separate to the Tyrell case.

Mr Spedding, 63, had been due to fix the washing machine at the grandmother’s house that day but never arrived. He has told police that he had a missed call from the grandmother and could not contact her back.

Following a call from CrimeStoppers, the homicide squad turned their attention on Mr Spedding in mid-December without knowing about the December 9 FACS inquiry.

Police have investigated some alleged inconsistencies in what he told them about his movements on September 12 but have stressed the search of Mr Spedding’s home and business was just one line of inquiry and not a breakthrough in the baffling case.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/73350ebd1be700109fa5a5eb5bb06d0c
Family Services quizzed ‘person of interest’: Children were removed from tradesman Bill Spedding’s care
January 27, 2015

 

[frogwell]

William Tyrrell: Tradesman's rural home becomes focus of search for ...
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-21/tradesmans-home...search...william.../6029822
Jan 20, 2015
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...e-focus-of-search-for-william-tyrrell/6029822

On Wednesday detectives carried out a search at a rural property in Bonny Hills, 20 kilometres from Kendall.

Mr Spedding is understood to have given a washing machine repair quote to William's grandmother four days before the boy disappeared.

William was not staying at the home at the time. (Odd sentence, perhaps they meant living?)

On Tuesday police executed a search warrant at a Laurieton pawn shop which is believed to be operated by Mr Spedding.

It is understood an anonymous phone call helped lead them to the Bonny Hills property.

 

[sosocurious]

Exactly my thoughts SA. .. I wonder the surname of L. And I believe she was removed quite some time prior to them losing William.

I wonder did they lose L, and then BC was incarcerated so K was given a chance with the arrival of new baby William. But then BC was in the scene again, and then W was removed.

NC has said BC & K are not together (they 'can't be together' I'm sure she said) - perhaps that's the only way K can keep the younger ones with her. .

Maybe.

Your post got me to thinking.
This complicated family history.
So many surnames and some using two or more maybe.

I wonder how many identify or have identified someone other than a bio parent as Mum or Dad?

I guess sometimes we can be biological related and yet still be a total stranger.

I did find it interesting that Natalie stated William looked just like her when they were together.

I am wondering when that might have been exactly.
Obviously sometime in that first 7 months probable.
imo

 

[they'll get you]

Can you remind me who is KL??



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KT
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[sosocurious]

William Tyrrell: Tradesman's rural home becomes focus of search for ...
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-21/tradesmans-home...search...william.../6029822
Jan 20, 2015
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...e-focus-of-search-for-william-tyrrell/6029822

On Wednesday detectives carried out a search at a rural property in Bonny Hills, 20 kilometres from Kendall.

Mr Spedding is understood to have given a washing machine repair quote to William's grandmother four days before the boy disappeared.

William was not staying at the home at the time. (Odd sentence, perhaps they meant living?)

On Tuesday police executed a search warrant at a Laurieton pawn shop which is believed to be operated by Mr Spedding.

It is understood an anonymous phone call helped lead them to the Bonny Hills property.

I thought that was just stating he did not reside at the home.
Later msn started to say this it not the home of the bio grandmother, Natalie

 

[they'll get you]

Yes. But they will not show that he was in the area that morning. Being there 4 days prior to William's disappearance, and being a suspected child molester, is not reasonable cause to believe he was in the area the morning of William's disappearance.

If that was the case, there is the possibility that quite a few others may have been subjected to that in-depth kind of search. "He was on Benaroon Drive a week ago, isn't he a suspected/known child sex offender? Let's see if we can get a warrant to rip his place apart." That just wouldn't fly, unless they could be shown to be in that area that morning.

There must be something more. Something factual. Something we do not yet know about.

IIRC LE were looking into the tennis court CCTV which may have captured his vehicle. Could it be another cameras in other places which captured his vehicle driving where it wasn’t said it was.
I believe there are couple of ways into Kendall.


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[SouthAussie]

IIRC LE were looking into the tennis court CCTV which may have captured his vehicle. Could it be another cameras in other places which captured his vehicle driving where it wasn’t said it was.
I believe there are couple of ways into Kendall.


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Yes, there could be other cameras in the area. And we know they were also looking at phone data.


That will likely involve questioning hundreds of people as well as analysing CCTV footage, financial transactions and phone data, reports The Australian.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455


POLICE investigating the baffling disappearance of toddler William Tyrell from the small town of Kendall are focusing their investigation on CCTV footage taken from the local tennis club.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...l/news-story/69f3c1348747905f6565c1084547d307

 

[Lemony]

Police were on to CCTV pretty quickly.

"Just little things like looking at our CCTV. We were told not to delete anything and that was the next day." - Rheannon Chapman owner of Kendall Cellars

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2663210/william-tyrell-how-a-boy-vanished-into-thin-air/

 

[butterstick]

IMO, there is definitely Someone who knows Something...
and it may be as seemingly insignificant as:
'heard a noise' .. Thought I did ? ..
'saw a child 'somewhere' perhaps ..
'saw a Person 'somewhere' .. It seemed strange perhaps ..
'saw a vehicle - familiar or otherwise ..
'know FG's property - any pitfalls or danger area. *I saw a photo just other day that dispelled my Mindset of FG's house. I imagined it as a huge long tree lined driveway! Reality for me was that anyone / children playing in front ov house would be most visible from road .. IMO....
'know of private escape tracks in the area..
'know 'associates' on all sides who may have some Intel - from that little Acorn... and all that ..
'We need to remind ourselves that approaching Det Jubelin with anything in relation to William will be treated absolutely confidentially .. No need to worry that you will exposed

Thing is, some one might of known something, but because the movements and identities of the people around WT leading up to that day have been kept hidden it's possible that someone was never able to join the dots.

I understand privacy concerns. Seems bio mum and bio brothers have been given no such consideration.

Seems absolutely bizarre to me we don't have this full picture.

 

[Bohemian]

OT Just harmless, victims, falsely accused . . .

‘A man wanted over alleged child sex offences has been shot dead after stabbing a senior police detective in the beer garden of the Maroubra Junction Hotel in Sydney's south-east.’

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-...bing-police-officer-near-maroubra-pub/9365506

Yeah, right. Evil.

 

[butterstick]

And also that's how it should be. Just sad it's different rules for Williams little brothers.

 

[they'll get you]

Yes, there could be other cameras in the area. And we know they were also looking at phone data.


That will likely involve questioning hundreds of people as well as analysing CCTV footage, financial transactions and phone data, reports The Australian.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455


POLICE investigating the baffling disappearance of toddler William Tyrell from the small town of Kendall are focusing their investigation on CCTV footage taken from the local tennis club.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...l/news-story/69f3c1348747905f6565c1084547d307

Any cameras pointing to the routes taken that day, around the school, from near his pawn shop or any where from Bonnie Hills to Kendall.


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