Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[sleepinoz]

Sorry to butt in - BBM

No problem Soso

 

[Bohemian]

‘I’m still a ‘suspect’ and the police have yet to sit down and have a proper chat with me and find out what I know.’

‘“The person who (took William), is sitting back thinking he got away with it,” she said.

“He’s reading about Brendan getting into trouble and thinking, ‘good, that’s not me’.”’

‘She lists a number of things she says they have failed to investigate, and says the case has been marred by “lies and bulls**t”.’

‘“I have not had one detective or policeman come and ask me, not one. Why not?”’

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell

‘Police are urging anyone with information about the disappearance of William Tyrrell to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or use the Crime Stoppers online reporting page: https://nsw.crimestoppers.com.au/ Information you provide will be treated in the strictest of confidence.’

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/can_yo...d_announced_for_the_return_on_william_tyrrell

 

[Karinna]

From your quote :facepalm:

So you're saying the paragraph in the court document, "In response, the mother has stated that she seeks restoration of Sarah to her care" means to you the mother hasn't applied yet?
That is a legal process that can be quite lengthy to come to conclusion, but it certainly doesn't tell me the mother has not applied to seek restoration of her child. It is in the process is what that statement tells me, otherwise it wouldn't be a legal issue IMO
And i certainly haven't read anything of she hasn't applied yet by her.

 

[sosocurious]

So you're saying the paragraph in the court document, "In response, the mother has stated that she seeks restoration of Sarah to her care" means to you the mother hasn't applied yet?
That is a legal process that can be quite lengthy to come to conclusion, but it certainly doesn't tell me the mother has not applied to seek restoration of her child. It is in the process is what that statement tells me, otherwise it wouldn't be a legal issue IMO
And i certainly haven't read anything of she hasn't applied yet by her.

One party initiates the court action the other responds - then your legal eagles do their thing and the process occurs.
Imo if it says the mother responded - she did. The outcome will be considered in the child's best interest and we will probably never know what that outcome is or was.
I assume if appropriate contact orders would be a part of that process.
JMO

 

[sleepinoz]

So you're saying the paragraph in the court document, "In response, the mother has stated that she seeks restoration of Sarah to her care" means to you the mother hasn't applied yet?
That is a legal process that can be quite lengthy to come to conclusion, but it certainly doesn't tell me the mother has not applied to seek restoration of her child. It is in the process is what that statement tells me, otherwise it wouldn't be a legal issue IMO
And i certainly haven't read anything of she hasn't applied yet by her.

What Soso said - It wasn't initiated by the biological mother. Read the sentence before it, so it is read in context.

 

[Bohemian]

‘Brendan, who Ms Collins said had developed a chronic drug addiction following William's disappearance, was the subject of an arrest warrant on Tuesday after he failed to show up to court on theft charges.

But it can be revealed a different court had remanded him in custody for separate theft charges on the exact same day. Collins was using a different last name.

He pleaded guilty to larceny of less than $2,000 and possessing stolen goods and will soon be sentenced.

Collins had been living with his grandmother Moira in Sydney's south-west.

'Look at all the bikes around, I think some are stolen,' she said.

She said police recently visited the family home recently to see Brendan.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Tyrrells-grandmother-opens-disappearance.html

 

[sleepinoz]

‘Brendan, who Ms Collins said had developed a chronic drug addiction following William's disappearance, was the subject of an arrest warrant on Tuesday after he failed to show up to court on theft charges.

But it can be revealed a different court had remanded him in custody for separate theft charges on the exact same day. Collins was using a different last name.

He pleaded guilty to larceny of less than $2,000 and possessing stolen goods and will soon be sentenced.

Collins had been living with his grandmother Moira in Sydney's south-west.

'Look at all the bikes around, I think some are stolen,' she said.

She said police recently visited the family home recently to see Brendan.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Tyrrells-grandmother-opens-disappearance.html

Probably his father's surname, he's used it in Court before.

 

[sosocurious]

NC first exclusive.

“It has been hell,” Ms Collins says. “I had no job, I had no income.
“It’s been tough. “With William gone I couldn’t even concentrate. I just kept crying and crying and crying about the whole thing.”
Ms Collins regularly finds herself lying awake at night, staring at the ceiling and wondering what happened to her grandson. She has her theories, but for legal reasons they can’t be printed.

“Whatever they’ve done, they’ve done very well,” she says, again choking up.
“It’s just a damn mess. This is the best it gets. It’s just like this every day.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/75a29dde86e5a26dd6d5e4dd963ac62d

I wish she would give us her theory!

 

[Bohemian]

‘Natalie wants Brendan to receive proper rehabilitation, because she is sure her grandson William is dead.

“When it happened, I just knew. I have a feeling with things like this and I knew William was never coming back,” she said.’

‘Natalie believes his [Brendan’s] friendship with Karlie is no longer viable.

He moved into Karlie’s spare room, while she had boyfriends visit the house.

“He was gone for four or five months. He was working but Karlie would go off with friends when he came home.

“He was like a pound puppy with [her kids].’

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifesty...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[Karinna]

What Soso said - It wasn't initiated by the biological mother. Read the sentence before it, so it is read in context.

This was the sentence you refer to
(quote)
The carers have recently applied to the Children’s Court for sole parental responsibility for Sarah.
That was stated by the court in regard to the foster parents. They are the ones fighting in court for the right to sole custody of said child. It also doesn't mean KT hadn't applied for restoration with her child prior to that.
It's obvious to me that the bio mother wants her child back and has proven herself worthy to do that.
If there is anywhere that it says KT wants to relinquish her rights as the parent of her surviving child i definitely haven't seen that? Otherwise it has to go through the legal process i would think.

 

[Bohemian]

‘WHEN an eight-month-old William Tyrrell arrived at the home of his new foster parents, it was an arrangement that was always intended to be permanent.

The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.

His biological father was a career criminal who had spent most of William’s short life incarcerated.’

‘It is understood William’s foster agreement with his new parents in Sydney’s northern suburbs was intended to be a permanent arrangement.’

‘His biological mother was aware of the intention.

Before his disappearance in September 2014, William did have supervised visits with his mother, contrary to some media reports.

However it’s understood these visits were infrequent and that William identified his foster family as his parents and was known to the public by their surname (which can’t be disclosed) and not “Tyrrell”.’

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e

 

[sleepinoz]

This was the sentence you refer to
(quote)
The carers have recently applied to the Children’s Court for sole parental responsibility for Sarah.
That was stated by the court in regard to the foster parents. They are the ones fighting in court for the right to sole custody of said child. It also doesn't mean KT hadn't applied for restoration with her child prior to that.
It's obvious to me that the bio mother wants her child back and has proven herself worthy to do that.
If there is anywhere that it says KT wants to relinquish her rights as the parent of her surviving child i definitely haven't seen that? Otherwise it has to go through the legal process i would think.

Where is it obvious? Got a link for that?

Where has it been proven that she is worthy? Got a link for that?

Either you are privy to facts not stated in MSM or it is your opinion.

I never said she wanted to relinquish her rights.

 

[Bohemian]

‘Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse), and placed with foster carers. Julian’s sister, who is a year older than Julian and whom I shall call Sarah, had been removed from her mother’s care before Julian was born, and the Children’s Court had allocated parental responsibility for her to the Minister; she was later placed with the same carers as Julian, a week after he was. Subsequently, having found that there was no realistic possibility of restoration to their parents, the Children’s Court made final orders allocating parental responsibility for Julian and Sarah to the Minister until they attain 18; their care plans contemplate that they will remain in their placement with their current carers until 18.’

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

 

[sosocurious]

This was the sentence you refer to
(quote)
The carers have recently applied to the Children’s Court for sole parental responsibility for Sarah.
That was stated by the court in regard to the foster parents. They are the ones fighting in court for the right to sole custody of said child. It also doesn't mean KT hadn't applied for restoration with her child prior to that.
It's obvious to me that the bio mother wants her child back and has proven herself worthy to do that.
If there is anywhere that it says KT wants to relinquish her rights as the parent of her surviving child i definitely haven't seen that? Otherwise it has to go through the legal process i would think.

Karinna can I suggest that sometimes there is so much more to a story than what is in the media and on facebook.
The bio mother might want her children back. But we don't always get what we want.

Is Natalie saying that Brendan moved into Karlie house after William disappeared. It sounds like it. imo.
That can't be a good thing if you are seeking restoration of your child.
Choices ??

When he was released from prison, Natalie helped her son, ensuring he went to see doctors and was prescribed medication.
But Brendan fell back into ice.
Natalie believes his friendship with Karlie is no longer viable.
He moved into Karlie’s spare room, while she had boyfriends visit the house.
“He was gone for four or five months. He was working but Karlie would go off with friends when he came home.
“He was like a pound puppy with [her kids].
“But he was using ice. He grew a big beard, his teeth were rotten.
“I could see the despair.”

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[louisepiglet]

Karinna can I suggest that sometime there is so much more to a story than what is in the media and on facebook.
The bio mother might want her children back. But we don't always get what we want.

Is Natalie saying that Brendan moved into Karlie house after William disappeared. It sounds like it. imo.
That can't be a good thing if you are seeking restoration of your child.
Choices ??


When he was released from prison, Natalie helped her son, ensuring he went to see doctors and was prescribed medication.
But Brendan fell back into ice.
Natalie believes his friendship with Karlie is no longer viable.
He moved into Karlie’s spare room, while she had boyfriends visit the house.
“He was gone for four or five months. He was working but Karlie would go off with friends when he came home.
“He was like a pound puppy with [her kids].
“But he was using ice. He grew a big beard, his teeth were rotten.
“I could see the despair.”

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

BBM. If Brendan was the reason Karlie's first two children were taken from her, then what can she be thinking allowing him back in her house with her remaining children. People are continually saying she is a good mother to her remaining children. But is she? As you said. Choices.

 

[Karinna]

Where is it obvious? Got a link for that?

Where has it been proven that she is worthy? Got a link for that?

Either you are privy to facts not stated in MSM or it is your opinion.

I never said she wanted to relinquish her rights.

It is obvious to me for obvious reasons.
(quote)
The other two siblings, who are younger than Julian, remain in their mother’s care, and there are apparently no current child protection concerns in respect of them.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

Do you honestly think if there were any parenting concerns with KT she would even bother to gain back custody of her surviving child? I don't because it would be a waste of her and the court's time and why bother then?

 

[Karinna]

BBM. If Brendan was the reason Karlie's first two children were taken from her, then what can she be thinking allowing him back in her house with her remaining children. People are continually saying she is a good mother to her remaining children. But is she? As you said. Choices.

BBM, Where is it stated that this is happening, TIA.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Restoration

Where parents and/or caregivers have demonstrated that they are capable of ensuring the safety, welfare and well-being of their child, it is possible that the child or young person may be restored to their care. The Department of Family and Community Services (FACS) may seek orders to allow sufficient time for parents and/or caregivers to make necessary changes in order to reduce the risk issues that led to FACS making a care application.

Care plans for restoration must include a permanency plan in relation to the restoration. The plan should include a description of the minimum outcomes that the Secretary of FACS believes must be achieved before it would be safe for the child or young person to return to their birth parents, details of the services FACS or other agencies are able to provide or arrange to facilitate restoration, and a statement of the length of time during which restoration should be actively pursued.

View some common experiences that children and young people may have during restoration on the right.
http://childstory.net.au/you/child-journey/restoration/

 

[louisepiglet]

BBM, Where is it stated that this is happening, TIA.

It was drug issues and domestic violence that had William and his sister taken in the first place. If Karlie was the drug user that beat Brendan then she would not have custody of her other children. Pretty obvious really.

 

[sosocurious]

BBM, Where is it stated that this is happening, TIA.

When he was released from prison, Natalie helped her son, ensuring he went to see doctors and was prescribed medication.
But Brendan fell back into ice.
Natalie believes his friendship with Karlie is no longer viable.
He moved into Karlie’s spare room, while she had boyfriends visit the house.
“He was gone for four or five months. He was working but Karlie would go off with friends when he came home.
“He was like a pound puppy with [her kids].
“But he was using ice. He grew a big beard, his teeth were rotten.
“I could see the despair.”

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...03ad7d2136710e

This is only NC version of events.