Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[Warshawski]

Um, wow.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

Lots of info I didn't know here, and whilst one-sided obviously, still a very interesting read.

thanks so much thylacine7. IMO this is Raw emotion from a Mum & a Grannie. .. I know how I would be if one of my kids was in trouble / if one of my grandkids was missing. .. OMG ...

There are many here I know who have born the loss of a child, it's well documented that the process of grief is very specific, individual & personal .... unless you've walked in these shoes ..

Mum Karlie's family has managed to remain silent & obscure for the most part (Aunt Kelly us always present & occasionally Karlie surcumbs to wanting to be a young tech savvy woman . .)

This aligns my prior poste re concern for Brendan. Ok, those sentiments didn't meet favourably, but hey, everyone to their own.

I'll just continue to hope & pray for everyone concerned to have a much better year. Hopefully Brendan can get the help he needs, because his salvation depends on that, no matter the outcome of William.

 

[Warshawski]

She sounds spiteful to me, tgy. This search for William should be something that brings the families together, more or less. They both should want the same outcome. Natalie is hanging onto her anger that William was removed from his bio family, in the first place. Defending her obviously criminal and unsuitable son. And time has either clouded her memory, or she has bad judgement. imo

Kincare has been the first option with FaCS for some years now. William was a baby when he was removed. Why did Natalie not stick her hand up in the air to care for William (and his sister), when they were first removed? Is she so forgiving of her son that she could not ensure to FaCS that the children would be kept with her ... especially if she aided and abetted her son in trying to hide William, in some period of William's life that does not fit into any picture that we know.

I cant disagree on the point about the kids SA. .. however as disappointed as I am to suggest this, IMO 'class distinction ' has a very real presence in our society still today.

 

[Bohemian]

DCI Gary Jubelin:

‘What I'm appealing to and this is why, and I go back to what I said a few moments ago, that anyone who's got suspicions about someone close to them; come forward.’

‘But someone out there — even if they've operated alone, would be acting strange in relation to this investigation. When they see this, when they see it in the media on the front page of the paper, there's going to be a strange reaction by the person responsible for this.

I want that person to feel the pressure. I want that person to feel that everyone's looking at them, and let's see where that takes us.’

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)

 

[Karinna]

And you won't read if either one abused the children ... because, again, the reasons for their removal are confidential between the parents and FaCS and the courts.

Well i'm not sure it wouldn't get a mention in the supreme court docs. but only this?
(quote)
The child the subject of these proceedings – whom I shall call Julian – was one of four siblings. Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse)

So that part gets a mention as to reasons why, but a mention of child abuse wouldn't? DV doesn't mean child abuse either, but more to do with what was going on with the parents i would think? And msm articles have stated that BC loves his children and was a proud dad, but has drug addiction problems. Which is really a medical issue and he can't seem to get it together with all of that.

 

[kelynn]

She's saying that no police or detectives have ever questioned her about William's disappearance? That seems odd to me, particularly in this case, I thought there was no stone being left unturned?? Can it be verified who the police have officially questioned/interviewed for the case? Surely they interviewed William's birth parents and I would have also assumed the birth parents' own parents and siblings would be interviewed?

 

[Karinna]

She's saying that no police or detectives have ever questioned her about William's disappearance? That seems odd to me, particularly in this case, I thought there was no stone being left unturned?? Can it be verified who the police have officially questioned/interviewed for the case? Surely they interviewed William's birth parents and I would have also assumed the birth parents' own parents and siblings would be interviewed?

I would think so to rule them out but i thought it was only the bio's and FP's that have been ruled out so far?

 

[bearbear]

DCI Gary Jubelin:

‘What I'm appealing to and this is why, and I go back to what I said a few moments ago, that anyone who's got suspicions about someone close to them; come forward.’

‘But someone out there — even if they've operated alone, would be acting strange in relation to this investigation. When they see this, when they see it in the media on the front page of the paper, there's going to be a strange reaction by the person responsible for this.

I want that person to feel the pressure. I want that person to feel that everyone's looking at them, and let's see where that takes us.’

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)

yes!!!! associates, friends, family acting oddly, out of character, drowning their sorrows etc

 

[bearbear]

how does nc know shes a person of interest if police havent spoken to her?
in that latest article it almost sounds like she has some knowledge and wants to be questioned?

 

[Warshawski]

DCI Gary Jubelin:

‘What I'm appealing to and this is why, and I go back to what I said a few moments ago, that anyone who's got suspicions about someone close to them; come forward.’

‘But someone out there — even if they've operated alone, would be acting strange in relation to this investigation. When they see this, when they see it in the media on the front page of the paper, there's going to be a strange reaction by the person responsible for this.

I want that person to feel the pressure. I want that person to feel that everyone's looking at them, and let's see where that takes us.’

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)

Ditto, Detective Jubelin, Ditto Bohemian. ...

I cannot come to grips with the fact that Some One, Some Where, does not have a hint of something....comments from kids on that final day at daycare; interactions with Adults when they were (surprisingly) collected early; stops on the way for food etc.; roadside cameras to see if being followed ..

 

[DeepCover]

how does nc know shes a person of interest if police havent spoken to her?
in that latest article it almost sounds like she has some knowledge and wants to be questioned?

And she helped them hide out from the authorities for 3 months before William was removed from their care. That’s a pretty big red flag about her IMO.

 

[1968]

Brendan sounds obsessive. “My kids need me & I need my kids” over and over ......wonder if that obsessiveness led to stalking/following the FP’s?


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[1968]

A source who has known Collins for decades said he is a “good guy” who has had substance abuse issues over his lifetime.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y/news-story/5861d20b199066f71cb4a42cbbcbacca

NC might have some wishful thinking about her sons substance abuse prior to Williams disappearance. Maybe she suffers from what many mothers/wives/girlfriends suffer from - blind spot when it comes to their loved one.

IMOO


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[SouthAussie]

I cant disagree on the point about the kids SA. .. however as disappointed as I am to suggest this, IMO 'class distinction ' has a very real presence in our society still today.

Personally, I think Natalie not having kincare of her grandchildren (if she volunteered for this role) likely comes more down to her assessment rather than class distinction. If she was a good fit, there would have been no reason to look further than family for care of the children.

From memory, there was an article where it was stated that Brendan spat on Natalie. The domestic abuse may have spread wider than between himself and Karlie.


If you want to become a relative or kinship carer, you still need to be assessed. The assessment process is similar to the one to become a foster carer, but not exactly the same.
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/par.../type-of-foster-care/relative-or-kinship-care


ETA: Soso just pointed out that it was Brendan's brother who spat on Natalie ... instead Brendan was said to have called his mother a very derogatory name.

 

[iailwa]

“A lot of people have made money going on television talking about William and me. I’m still a ‘suspect’ and the police have yet to sit down and have a proper chat with me and find out what I know.

“I don’t want money, I just want help for Brendan. He needs it.”

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

Who has gone on television talking about NC?
KL was there anyone else?

Hi all, i'm back. sorry about any offence I caused. I was a little over the top My sincere apologies to eveyrone

I'm kinda intrigued by some of what NC has said.

“A lot of people have made money going on television talking about William and me"

Not sure whether i missed an interview somewhere but the only person i recall 'going on tv' and talking about her & WT is her friend. So I wonder whether she is prone to exaggeration?

Also, the suspect thing. Didn't she previously strenuously deny she was a suspect, but now she says she is, although the police haven't spoken to her. surely police talk to suspects? Maybe they talked to her early on but not since? So is she lying when she says the police have never spoken to her, or not? This is just odd.

she says her son didn't use drugs or alcohol prior to William going missing but it's written everywhere WT was removed due to violence and drug use. is she lying or just naive?

she says he was removed at 11 months, but i've also seen 7 & 8 months in msm. Msn could have it wrong cause it sounds like there was some back and forth going on for a while..

offering money to help hide them. lost for words

just wowsa. I still think compared to her friend she is much easier to understand.

i read somewhere she may be jealous of the foster parents. i would be. they have her granddaughter all to themselves, and they have the wealth to provide for her

another point - it seems odd that karlie & hubby were only allowed to meet up with WT in a shopping mall, given there's that clear image of william using a computer somewhere, like in a house. or a weird shopping mall? I wonder if he was allowed supervised visits to anybody's home

it's all just weird to me

 

[sosocurious]

Personally, I think Natalie not having kincare of her grandchildren (if she volunteered for this role) likely comes more down to her assessment rather than class distinction. If she was a good fit, there would have been no reason to look further than family for care of the children.

From memory, there was an article where it was stated that Brendan spat on Natalie. The domestic abuse may have spread wider than between himself and Karlie.


If you want to become a relative or kinship carer, you still need to be assessed. The assessment process is similar to the one to become a foster carer, but not exactly the same.
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/par.../type-of-foster-care/relative-or-kinship-care

No that was the other son Mitchell.

Police allege her son Mitchell showed 'absolute contempt' for her - spitting in her face - in a domestic incident in late September.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rest-warrant-court-no-show.html#ixzz54fWvqZjX

Brendan has just been calling her a sl**
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[SouthAussie]

another point - it seems odd that karlie & hubby were only allowed to meet up with WT in a shopping mall, given there's that clear image of william using a computer somewhere, like in a house. or a weird shopping mall? I wonder if he was allowed supervised visits to anybody's home

There is a photo that was published very early in the case of William having a visit with his biological mother in a park. From memory, there were also gifts for William in the photo. I think MSM had grabbed it from Karlie's FB page.

I believe Karlie had been allowed visits with William, perhaps on neutral territory, all along. It seems that no-one was trying to stop her from seeing her biological child. Things were being kept very balanced for William. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

No that was the other son Mitchell.

Police allege her son Mitchell showed 'absolute contempt' for her - spitting in her face - in a domestic incident in late September.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rest-warrant-court-no-show.html#ixzz54fWvqZjX

Brendan has just been calling her a sl**
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

Thanks, soso. Though calling your mum a sl** is no better, hey.

I certainly have formed the impression, over time, that it was a pretty rough environment at the Collins residence.

 

[iailwa]

There is a photo that was published very early in the case of William having a visit with his biological mother in a park. From memory, there were also gifts for William in the photo. I think MSM had grabbed it from Karlie's FB page.

I believe Karlie had been allowed visits with William, perhaps on neutral territory, all along. It seems that no-one was trying to stop her from seeing her biological child. Things were being kept very balanced for William. imo

oops mine was long!

just this -
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"Natalie said that after William was finally removed from Brendan and Karlie's care, the pair had infrequent visiting rights and could only see him at a public shopping centre near Ryde".[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Karlie and Brendan could see William for one hour every seven or eight weeks at the Macquarie Centre," she said.

Funny though, because this is coming from NC and i'm not sure i believe everything she says. could be part truth...[/FONT]

https://www.coffscoastadvocate.com....evelations-about-the-day-william-tyr/3314146/

 

[sosocurious]

Thanks, soso. Though calling your mum a sl** is no better, hey.

I certainly have formed the impression, over time, that it was a pretty rough environment at the Collins residence.

No it certainly isn't any better.

So Mitchell was also living with Brendan and Karlie.

Court documents said he had a history of violence, and had previously breached Apprehended Violence Orders and been charged with possession of knife.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rest-warrant-court-no-show.html#ixzz54fWvqZjX

 

[Bohemian]

A minor issue, I suppose, but I call ******** on at least one of the ‘stunning new revelations’ about the day William disappeared:

‘Natalie said a last-minute change to William’s plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.’

‘On the morning he vanished, Natalie said she was later told that plans were changed and that William and another sibling were taken out of child care in Sydney for “a surprise”.

“They were taken out of preschool early for a surprise visit ... to the carer grandmother,” she told news.com.au.’

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e​

This is ‘old news’. The only surprise about the visit to the FGM’s was that William’s FP’s decided to leave for Kendall on Thursday night, rather than Friday morning as planned. From the transcript of the interview conducted by a member of NSW Police Media with William’s FP’s (published 17 April 2015):

’P = Police
D = Dad
M = Mum

P: And it was a surprise visit to Nanna’s?

M: Yeah we’d actually planned to go on the Friday, but we ended up the Thursday, leaving earlier, and it was a surprise for Mum and it was a surprise for the kids to go before, because they love going to Nanna’s, yeah it was a complete surprise.

P: So the kids had no idea either?

M: None, none, they were over the moon, we told them in the car once we picked them up.

D: They were excited.

M: And they were screaming with delight, because we get to do something special, which is stop at McDonalds on the way which we don’t normally do. It was just an adventure, a family going to see family.’

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...full-transcript-from-william-tyrrells-parents​

Similarly, DCI Jubelin has already stated in response to an earlier ‘revelation’ that investigators are aware of the locations of the fire trails surrounding Benaroon Drive and the activity on them on the day of William’s disappearance. Likewise, the carving of the words ‘William Dad’ on the tree trunk on one of those trails has been reported in MSM previously, as was the fact that 48 Benaroon Drive was ‘under contract’ prior to William’s disappearance.