Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[they'll get you]

It’s a really small world.

Ms Loweke is living with Mr Jones’ brother-in-law and she personally knows Bill Spedding, another person who has been questioned by police in relation to the disappearance. Mr Spedding has released a video denying any involvement in the disappearance.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/295f4d26d06a4b543a3eec6d9d2f8953






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[sosocurious]

I wonder if she said something similar to FaCS when Karlie and BC were hiding William for those three months?

Thanks for the link, soso. It mentions William’s FGM irt the investigation:

’William's parents have been previously ruled out of their son's disappearance as has his grandmother, [...]’

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-abduction-investigation-20160906-gr9n80.html

I have to keep reminding myself another child was already in care. Where?

 

[Bohemian]

I never did quite understand the Dept of Housing application.
Even if that type of arrangement were approved - art room and all. The waiting lists are so long.

This granny flat that NC claims to have paid the bond for - is interesting. I mean how easy would it be to find someone on the run if they had paid a bond?

:thinking:

Depends if the ‘bond’ was lodged with the Rental Bond Board, I suppose:

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/nswgovdirectory/rental-bonds

If it was a ‘private arrangement’ that’s another matter entirely.

 

[sosocurious]

Depends if the ‘bond’ was lodged with the Rental Bond Board, I suppose:

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/nswgovdirectory/rental-bonds

If it was a ‘private arrangement’ that’s another matter entirely.

If it were private - no bond may have been required. Someone helping maybe?
imo

 

[Bohemian]

I have to keep reminding myself another child was already in care. Where?

Your guess is as good as mine. All we know is that she was placed with William’s FP a week after he was:

‘Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse), and placed with foster carers. Julian’s sister, who is a year older than Julian and whom I shall call Sarah, had been removed from her mother’s care before Julian was born, and the Children’s Court had allocated parental responsibility for her to the Minister; she was later placed with the same carers as Julian, a week after he was.’

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

 

[Bohemian]

If it were private - no bond may have been required. Someone helping maybe?
imo

Mebbe. Close to Ryde, or were they just visiting family there?

’But when William was eleven months old, the two were spotted in each other’s company at a video store in the northwestern Sydney suburb of Ryde, where Karlie’s father lived.’

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[Bohemian]

I think Candace needs to check her article for accuracy. If William was, according to NSW Supreme Court documents, ‘removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age [...] and placed with foster carers’ but it’s stated in her article that ‘when William was eleven months old, the two [Karlie and BC] were spotted in each other’s company at a video store in the northwestern Sydney suburb of Ryde, where Karlie’s father lived.’ ‘and then they were caught and told me [NC] they [FaCS?], were taking William away.’, something’s awry.

 

[Karinna]

I think Candace needs to check her article for accuracy. If William was, according to NSW Supreme Court documents, ‘removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age [...] and placed with foster carers’ but it’s stated in her article that ‘when William was eleven months old, the two [Karlie and BC] were spotted in each other’s company at a video store in the northwestern Sydney suburb of Ryde, where Karlie’s father lived.’ ‘and then they were caught and told me [NC] they [FaCS?], were taking William away.’, something’s awry.

BBM, Yes the story doesn't gel.

 

[sosocurious]

I think Candace needs to check her article for accuracy. If William was, according to NSW Supreme Court documents, ‘removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age [...] and placed with foster carers’ but it’s stated in her article that ‘when William was eleven months old, the two [Karlie and BC] were spotted in each other’s company at a video store in the northwestern Sydney suburb of Ryde, where Karlie’s father lived.’ ‘and then they were caught and told me [NC] they [FaCS?], were taking William away.’, something’s awry.

WHEN an eight-month-old William Tyrrell arrived at the home of his new foster parents, it was an arrangement that was always intended to be permanent.
The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.
His biological father was a career criminal who had spent most of William’s short life incarcerated...................

It is understood William’s foster agreement with his new parents in Sydney’s northern suburbs was intended to be a permanent arrangement.
His biological mother was aware of the intention.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e
William Tyrrell’s foster home intended to be permanent

Very confusing ....

 

[Karinna]

I think for any of the biological family of WT to have had access to him on the day he went missing, they would of had to of known of the surprise visit to FGM's home in Kendall. I don't think they would of had that information?
And i don't know if foster parents have to inform FACS that the children are going for a mini vacation away from home, and need to get permission from FACS & bio's to do so? So who else knew about it if no permission from the bio parent/s was necessary?
For WT to go missing in such a very short window of time the perp./s would of had to have known and seen him there all alone in the FGM's yard i would think, and would of had to act very quickly.

 

[Bohemian]

WHEN an eight-month-old William Tyrrell arrived at the home of his new foster parents, it was an arrangement that was always intended to be permanent.
The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.
His biological father was a career criminal who had spent most of William’s short life incarcerated...................

It is understood William’s foster agreement with his new parents in Sydney’s northern suburbs was intended to be a permanent arrangement.
His biological mother was aware of the intention.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e
William Tyrrell’s foster home intended to be permanent

Very confusing ....

Unless William was in emergency foster care for that month, awaiting a more permanent placement.

 

[Karinna]

WHEN an eight-month-old William Tyrrell arrived at the home of his new foster parents, it was an arrangement that was always intended to be permanent.
The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.
His biological father was a career criminal who had spent most of William’s short life incarcerated...................

It is understood William’s foster agreement with his new parents in Sydney’s northern suburbs was intended to be a permanent arrangement.
His biological mother was aware of the intention.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e
William Tyrrell’s foster home intended to be permanent

Very confusing ....

BBM, Yes it is. And from what i have read online there have been Govt. changes to some of the old FACS/Docs. laws now, and maybe what wouldn't have been possible a few years ago is possible now involving foster care situations. I guess every individual case is different too.
That was a court order at the time the children were first removed, but i think it is possible to go through the legal avenues if someone wishes to change that order. I think through the family court system.

 

[Bohemian]

I think I’m more inclined to believe the information published in the NSW Supreme Court documents irt when William was taken into care by FaCS. The information contained in MSM may have been misreported or, if not, alludes to ‘other details about the complicated family history’ which MSM ‘cannot reveal [...] due to child protection laws.’

 

[sosocurious]

Unless William was in emergency foster care for that month, awaiting a more permanent placement.

Thinking the same thing myself Bo.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Legislation on permanency planning
Permanency planning provisions were introduced in NSW in 2001. The bill that led to these provisions was much amended after considerable controversy about proposals to encourage consideration of adoption at an early stage. Under the current provisions in the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection Act 1998 (which are basically the same as in 2001), the Director-General of the Department is required to prepare a permanency plan when applying to the Children’s Court for a care order. This is a plan that aims to provide a child or young person with a stable placement that offers long-term security. The permanent placement options include: restoration to the parents, placement with members of a kinship group, long-term placement with a foster carer, placement under an order for sole parental responsibility, and adoption. In the case of an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander child or young person, a permanency plan must address how the plan has complied with the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander placement principles. [4]
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/r...cy-planning-and-adoption-of-children-in-.aspx

 

[sosocurious]

I think I’m more inclined to believe the information published in the NSW Supreme Court documents irt when William was taken into care by FaCS. The information contained in MSM may have been misreported or, if not, alludes to ‘other details about the complicated family history’ which MSM ‘cannot reveal [...] due to child protection laws.’

Yes lots of implicit information.
Not too much explicit.
imo

 

[Bohemian]

(quote)
Legislation on permanency planning
Permanency planning provisions were introduced in NSW in 2001. The bill that led to these provisions was much amended after considerable controversy about proposals to encourage consideration of adoption at an early stage. Under the current provisions in the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection Act 1998 (which are basically the same as in 2001), the Director-General of the Department is required to prepare a permanency plan when applying to the Children’s Court for a care order. This is a plan that aims to provide a child or young person with a stable placement that offers long-term security. The permanent placement options include: restoration to the parents, placement with members of a kinship group, long-term placement with a foster carer, placement under an order for sole parental responsibility, and adoption. In the case of an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander child or young person, a permanency plan must address how the plan has complied with the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander placement principles. [4]
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/r...cy-planning-and-adoption-of-children-in-.aspx

There are a myriad of options for foster care:

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/par...are/become-a-foster-carer/type-of-foster-care

 

[sosocurious]

BBM, Yes it is. And from what i have read online there have been Govt. changes to some of the old FACS/Docs. laws now, and maybe what wouldn't have been possible a few years ago is possible now involving foster care situations. I guess every individual case is different too.
That was a court order at the time the children were first removed, but i think it is possible to go through the legal avenues if someone wishes to change that order. I think through the family court system.

Yes NC said they spent $4500 trying to gain custody. The link many times in this thread.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes lots of implicit information.
Not too much explicit.
imo

Hasn’t that always been par for the course in William’s case? I know little about William’s ‘complicated family history’ before he disappeared but the complexity of his misper case often does my head in.

 

[sosocurious]

Hasn’t that always been par for the course in William’s case? I know little about William’s ‘complicated family history’ before he disappeared but the complexity of his misper case often does my head in.

Your, mine and I am sure all those following the case.

Where are you William?