Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[iailwa]

Why do I get the feeling the reason for the recent press irt Karlie’s and Brendan’s court appearances, etc, not to mention the call for an inquest, may be so a civil action can be launched, with possible compensation for pain and suffering? *adjusts tinfoil hat to a jaunty new angle*

wow. that is a new angle. who would be launching the civil action - K or NC, in your thoughts? v interesting...

 

[JLZ]

The mention of AJ in the news yesterday got me to thinking.
I was think about his wife and some of her words.

It really does bring home the importance of the media.
Had that not been printed. How would she have ever known he had a very lengthy rap sheet - 27 pages from memory?

Jones' criminal history, tendered as part of his sentencing in the Port Macquarie District Court last week, detailed a lengthy rap sheet, including assault, break and enter and driving charges.
His former wife said she only learnt of the extensive criminal history after reading about it in the media.
"Charges such as this goes to show the lack of respect that he has, not only for the law, but for the people he inflicted his horrid crimes on," she said.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...d-husband-over-william-tyrrell-disappearance/

She may not have known just how extensive it was but I find it hard to believe she thought him a law-abiding citizen. Surely she must have had a general idea.

 

[Bohemian]

I think if someone was waiting and watching then Williams ff going into town was an opportunistic time to pounce . As far as time discrepancies I'm not sure as I don't remember reading anything about this.

That’s the only sinister aspect I envisage and it has to do with the actions of William’s abductor — not his FF.

As I said, my theories are subject to change without notice.

 

[Bohemian]

wow. that is a new angle. who would be launching the civil action - K or NC, in your thoughts? v interesting...

No idea. Just a fleeting cynical thought.

 

[Karinna]

Why do I get the feeling the reason for the recent press irt Karlie’s and Brendan’s court appearances, etc, not to mention the call for an inquest, may be so a civil action can be launched, with possible compensation for pain and suffering? *adjusts tinfoil hat to a jaunty new angle*

I think maybe KT & BC would have claim to perhaps sue the state of NSW because of their child coming to grief while in State care? But seeing as IANAL i don't know if it could be within their rights to do so?

 

[iailwa]

The mention of AJ in the news yesterday got me to thinking.
I was think about his wife and some of her words.

It really does bring home the importance of the media.
Had that not been printed. How would she have ever known he had a very lengthy rap sheet - 27 pages from memory?

Jones' criminal history, tendered as part of his sentencing in the Port Macquarie District Court last week, detailed a lengthy rap sheet, including assault, break and enter and driving charges.
His former wife said she only learnt of the extensive criminal history after reading about it in the media.
"Charges such as this goes to show the lack of respect that he has, not only for the law, but for the people he inflicted his horrid crimes on," she said.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...d-husband-over-william-tyrrell-disappearance/

I'm getting confused. Is she related somehow to NC and her friend (with the car, & extra bedroom thing?) who likely got paid. Somehow, there's a relationship with NC's friend & him, by marriage I think, or something?

 

[bearbear]

Sorry mistake about bio knowing foster grandparent. Spedding repaired foster grandparents dishwasher.

thats also something we dont know, whether he knew her or her late husband?
they may have been friends or acquaintances through a fostering connection?

ok, i just watched bs in his bs statement video, if hes to be believed, maybe they didnt know each other?

 

[Karinna]

This is an older article, but interesting on litigation
Parents sue for $18m after babies taken

(quote)
Figures released by the New South Wales Government show the number of babies taken from mothers by the Department of Community Services (DoCS) is on the rise.

In NSW, there has been a staggering 70 per cent rise in baby removals from maternity wards.

In 2007, 215 babies were taken by DoCS. In 2009, 363 babies were taken.

Sometimes it is justified, but there are concerns some babies are taken too hastily.

One NSW couple, Liz and Richard, had two babies removed - one aged two and one newborn. They are now suing the Department of Community Services (DoCS) for $18 million in compensation.

Back in 2008, when the babies were removed, DoCS claimed that there was an immediate risk to the safety of the babies.

The parents fought back in the courts and successfully disproved allegations about drug dependency, domestic violence and mental illness.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-12/parents-sue-for-18m-after-babies-taken/362062

 

[Bohemian]

I'm getting confused. Is she related somehow to NC and her friend (with the car, & extra bedroom thing?) who likely got paid. Somehow, there's a relationship with NC's friend & him, by marriage I think, or something?

‘Kim Loweke lives 360km from Kendall in northern NSW, where William vanished almost two years ago.

She is the best friend of William's grandmother, Natalie Collins.’

‘It is understood a link has been found between Ms Loweke and Debbie Jones, whose estranged husband Tony Jones is considered a person of interest. He has been questioned extensively by police and had his car seized for forensic examination.

Ms Loweke said detectives also took a keen interest in her silver Holden VX Commodore, which is a similar shape and colour to one seen on the morning William disappeared.‘

‘Ms Loweke is currently living with Jones' brother-in-law and personally knows Bill Spedding, a washing machine repairman who has also been questioned as a person of interest in William's disappearance. Mr Spedding has always denied any involvement in William’s disappearance.’

’Ms Loweke said police also questioned her about a Department of Housing application she had made for a three-bedroom home that she could share with William's grandmother.’

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...dmother-with-links-to-two-persons-of-interest

 

[SouthAussie]

Why do I get the feeling the reason for the recent press irt Karlie’s and Brendan’s court appearances, etc, not to mention the call for an inquest, may be so a civil action can be launched, with possible compensation for pain and suffering? *adjusts tinfoil hat to a jaunty new angle*

wow. that is a new angle. who would be launching the civil action - K or NC, in your thoughts? v interesting...

And who would be the defendent in the civil action?
The courts, who have adjudicated the matters?
The media, who have published NC's interview, and other unsuppressed court matters that they have been entitled to publish?
FaCS, who have been following the FaCS laws, vigorously?
The police, who have been doing their job?
Someone else?

 

[sosocurious]

She may not have known just how extensive it was but I find it hard to believe she thought him a law-abiding citizen. Surely she must have had a general idea.

Sure she did JLZ.
Why tell the media fibs in a released statement?:thinking:

 

[Bohemian]

And who would be the defendent in the civil action?
The courts, who have adjudicated the matters?
The media, who have published NC's interview, and other unsupressed court matters that they have been entitled to publish?
FaCS, who have been following the FaCS laws, vigorously?
The police, who have been doing their job?
Someone else?

Dunno. As I said, just a random, cynical thought. *removes tinfoil hat and sips tea*

 

[sosocurious]

I'm getting confused. Is she related somehow to NC and her friend (with the car, & extra bedroom thing?) who likely got paid. Somehow, there's a relationship with NC's friend & him, by marriage I think, or something?

Or something....

 

[Josh Knight]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/30c0e272fde94152f27094b0bd13dab3

People who spit on police officers could face jail under new laws

We just don't know what was happening here. She could be a bad person that spits on cops. She could be someone in a huge amount of pain cause she had her kids taken from her and one that's missing whist in Forster care. She could of been having a complete mental breakdown and wasn't in control of her actions. Does it really matter? I honestly can't see the bios having anything to do with Willams disappearance. They are both to disorganised and would of been caught straight away. So I personally don't see it mattering to this case

 

[JLZ]

I think maybe KT & BC would have claim to perhaps sue the state of NSW because of their child coming to grief while in State care? But seeing as IANAL i don't know if it could be within their rights to do so?

I don't know exactly, but I would think not unless there had been negligence. You don't have grounds to sue just because something turned out badly.

 

[iailwa]

And who would be the defendent in the civil action?
The courts, who have adjudicated the matters?
The media, who have published NC's interview, and other unsuppressed court matters that they have been entitled to publish?
FaCS, who have been following the FaCS laws, vigorously?
The police, who have been doing their job?
Someone else?

yes, who would be the defendant? Could they bring civil action against the police (ouch) & I doubt it. But I know Daniel M's parents are not happy with the way things were handled in his case... not sure where that is going??

 

[Karinna]

We just don't know what was happening here. She could be a bad person that spits on cops. She could be someone in a huge amount of pain cause she had her kids taken from her and one that's missing whist in Forster care. She could of been having a complete mental breakdown and wasn't in control of her actions. Does it really matter? I honestly can't see the bios having anything to do with Willams disappearance. They are both to disorganised and would of been caught straight away. So I personally don't see it mattering to this case

I agree, too many secrets going on with it all, so IMO we will never really know. All IMO

 

[sosocurious]

We just don't know what was happening here. She could be a bad person that spits on cops. She could be someone in a huge amount of pain cause she had her kids taken from her and one that's missing whist in Forster care. She could of been having a complete mental breakdown and wasn't in control of her actions. Does it really matter? I honestly can't see the bios having anything to do with Willams disappearance. They are both to disorganised and would of been caught straight away. So I personally don't see it mattering to this case

Welcome Josh
What does matter that her 2 young children were witness to her behaviour. As it were criminal behaviour.
If she is having a complete mental breakdown and not in control of her actions, the more reason for concern.
There are still 2 children in her care as far as I am aware.
Terrible things can happen in the blink of an eye if you are unable to control your actions.
imo

 

[Karinna]

I don't know exactly, but I would think not unless there had been negligence. You don't have grounds to sue just because something turned out badly.

It is the State's responsibility if they remove your children from your care because they then take that responsibility upon themselves.

 

[Bohemian]

We just don't know what was happening here. She could be a bad person that spits on cops. She could be someone in a huge amount of pain cause she had her kids taken from her and one that's missing whist in Forster care. She could of been having a complete mental breakdown and wasn't in control of her actions. Does it really matter? I honestly can't see the bios having anything to do with Willams disappearance. They are both to disorganised and would of been caught straight away. So I personally don't see it mattering to this case

I see you’re in agreeance with DCI Jubelin:

‘(22:11) Reporter:

'The so-called revelations about William's background. Obviously they're not unknown to the investigation team. How would you describe them? Are they a distraction?'

(22:22) DCI Jubelin:

'Look, they're peripheral distractions. We focus on what's important. We knew the background to William so it's just a peripheral distraction. But, one thing I could say, knowing the biological family and the foster family that, you know, if you could respect their privacy it would be appreciated. As I've said, I've eliminated them from the investigation and it is just a distraction.'’

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)

The subsequent press has been the unforeseen(?) consequences of the Supreme Court decision. Karlie, at least, was said to be aware of the risk.