Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

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As you say not much comment. Not much in msn, other than dad lived at Ryde and
Alana Smiths primal connection with a woman she has never met.
She …feels her loss, that primal loss, through no fault of her own,' Ms Smith said.

'The only thing she did wrong was being young, with no support of her own… I feel for that young woman and I have never even met her.'•


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ls-William-Tyrrell-mission.html#ixzz55AtMRD2K

I often wondered about the language used. Maybe it says something about Ms Smith’s life experience. Then again, it may not.

People’s motivations to reach out to others can be altruistic or they be due to a ‘hidden agenda’. What’s that old saying? Something like ‘your shadow knows’?
 
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The Bios and FP's have been cleared. I don't understand why having WT's status known when he went missing, meant open slather on the Bio parents. If KT agreed that she could handle the heat then be it on her head, I haven't seen BC agree to or talk to anyone publicly about any of this. And... for the crimes that both have committed since WT's disappearance, they are nothing that doesn't fill hundreds of local courts all over the state, every working day of the week. I will never understand why the media have left alone and supported the FP's. for all we know, they may have succumbed to stress and acted out at strangers in public and had the police called on them.... but we will never know. Basically, isn't scrutinising any details about either side after WT's disappearance, victim bashing.MOO

Back to the case, question....

Why is it, when the media report that Kim had her washing machine fixed by BS years ago, the media described it as a personal relationship, why are members accepting that as meaning something else? The media have not shown any evidence of that. If that is the case, the FG's relationship to BS can also be described as a personal relationship and therefore an important link to scrutinise.
 
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The Bios and FP's have been cleared. I don't understand why having WT's status known when he went missing, meant open slather on the Bio parents. If KT agreed that she could handle the heat then be it on her head, I haven't seen BC agree to or talk to anyone publicly about any of this. And... for the crimes that both have committed since WT's disappearance, they are nothing that doesn't fill hundreds of local courts all over the state, every working day of the week. I will never understand why the media have left alone and supported the FP's. for all we know, they may have succumbed to stress and acted out at strangers in public and had the police called on them.... but we will never know. Basically, isn't scrutinising any details about either side after WT's disappearance, victim bashing.MOO

Back to the case, question....

Why is it, when the media report that Kim had her washing machine fixed by BS years ago, the media described it as a personal relationship, why are members accepting that as meaning something else? The media have not shown any evidence of that. If that is the case, the FG's relationship to BS can also be described as a personal relationship and therefore an important link to scrutinise.

Frog if I remember correctly Kim contacted ACA. Because she wanted to let Australia know the police had spoken to her.
Why would she do that?

It is understood there is a link between Ms Loweke and Debbie Jones, whose estranged husband, Anthony “Tony” Jones is considered to be a person of interest in the case...........................

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/295f4d26d06a4b543a3eec6d9d2f8953

William Tyrrell disappearance: Sydney mother questioned, has links with other persons of interest
 
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i'm so far behind that no doubt I'll get further into the thread & find someone has asked or answered my thoughts, but hey ...

so I'm wondering, do we know for sure that Brendan is L's bio father ?

KT's aunty congratulated BC and KT on social media when L was born.
 
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The Bios and FP's have been cleared. I don't understand why having WT's status known when he went missing, meant open slather on the Bio parents. If KT agreed that she could handle the heat then be it on her head, I haven't seen BC agree to or talk to anyone publicly about any of this. And... for the crimes that both have committed since WT's disappearance, they are nothing that doesn't fill hundreds of local courts all over the state, every working day of the week. I will never understand why the media have left alone and supported the FP's. for all we know, they may have succumbed to stress and acted out at strangers in public and had the police called on them.... but we will never know. Basically, isn't scrutinising any details about either side after WT's disappearance, victim bashing.MOO

Back to the case, question....

Why is it, when the media report that Kim had her washing machine fixed by BS years ago, the media described it as a personal relationship, why are members accepting that as meaning something else? The media have not shown any evidence of that. If that is the case, the FG's relationship to BS can also be described as a personal relationship and therefore an important link to scrutinise.

Exactly frogwell. You said it so much better than i did.
 
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Frog if I remember correctly Kim contacted ACA. Because she wanted to let Australia know the police had spoken to her.
Why would she do that?

It is understood there is a link between Ms Loweke and Debbie Jones, whose estranged husband, Anthony “Tony” Jones is considered to be a person of interest in the case...........................

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...t/news-story/295f4d26d06a4b543a3eec6d9d2f8953

William Tyrrell disappearance: Sydney mother questioned, has links with other persons of interest

Thanks soso but that is kind of irrelevant to what I asked. Also we will have to find a link, but I didn't get that she contacted ACA. After the segment was filmed if I remember correctly, the reporter was talking to Tracey Grimshaw and he stated that Kim thought it was important that Australia should know that she had been interviewed by police. the segment linked her to a number of people including BS. In it, it was stated by the reporter that she had a personal relationship with BS, but all I saw in the interview was her describing a service call he made years ago when he and her lived in Wellington.MOO
 
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The Bios and FP's have been cleared. I don't understand why having WT's status known when he went missing, meant open slather on the Bio parents. If KT agreed that she could handle the heat then be it on her head, I haven't seen BC agree to or talk to anyone publicly about any of this. And... for the crimes that both have committed since WT's disappearance, they are nothing that doesn't fill hundreds of local courts all over the state, every working day of the week. I will never understand why the media have left alone and supported the FP's. for all we know, they may have succumbed to stress and acted out at strangers in public and had the police called on them.... but we will never know. Basically, isn't scrutinising any details about either side after WT's disappearance, victim bashing.MOO

Back to the case, question....

Why is it, when the media report that Kim had her washing machine fixed by BS years ago, the media described it as a personal relationship, why are members accepting that as meaning something else? The media have not shown any evidence of that. If that is the case, the FG's relationship to BS can also be described as a personal relationship and therefore an important link to scrutinise.

IMO - the reason that MSM can talk about the Bio's is the ruling of the "court case".

It was found that he was in all probability that William was dead:

The primary judge found that the proposed publications would deprive Julian of the ability to control who knew of his in care status, and could expose him to stigma. However, the primary judge also found that:

(1) The adverse effect on Julian’s welfare was diminished by (a) the tragic probability that he is dead;

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5996755ce4b074a7c6e17e4c

As it states in the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 No 157 s105

105 Publication of names and identifying information

(1) The name of a child or young person:
(a) who appears, or is reasonably likely to appear, as a witness before the Children’s Court in any proceedings, or
(a1) who is involved, or is reasonably likely to be involved, in any capacity in any non-court proceedings, or
(b) with respect to whom proceedings before the Children’s Court are brought or who is reasonably likely to be the subject of proceedings before the Children’s Court, or
(c) who is, or is reasonably likely to be, mentioned or otherwise involved in any proceedings before the Children’s Court or in any non-court proceedings, or
(d) who is the subject of a report under section 24, 25, 27, 120, 121 or 122,
must not be published or broadcast in any form that may be accessible by a person in New South Wales whether the publication or broadcast occurs before any proceedings have commenced, during the proceedings or after they are disposed of.
(1A) The prohibition in subsection (1) applies to the publication or broadcast of the name of the child or young person concerned until:
(a) the child or young person attains the age of 25 years, or
(b) the child or young person dies,
whichever occurs first.​


https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1998/157/chap6/part1/sec105

To me this means that because the Judge ruled that William is most likely deceased his name can be published.

That same section also protects Williams sister, as she is still in care her name "must not be published or broadcast in any form". Publishing the name of the FF would indirectly identify Williams sister.

Even though the FF said a couple of years ago that they didn't want to be identified, and rightly so because of a child in their care. I believe that under this act, they can't.


 
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IMO - the reason that MSM can talk about the Bio's is the ruling of the "court case".

It was found that he was in all probability that William was dead:



https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5996755ce4b074a7c6e17e4c

As it states in the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 No 157 s105



https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1998/157/chap6/part1/sec105

To me this means that because the Judge ruled that William is most likely deceased his name can be published.

That same section also protects Williams sister, as she is still in care her name "must not be published or broadcast in any form". Publishing the name of the FF would indirectly identify Williams sister.

Even though the FF said a couple of years ago that they didn't want to be identified, and rightly so because of a child in their care. I believe that under this act, they can't.


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But it doesn't explain why his parent's names are released unless they had always publicly wanted to claim him. It might also answer a long held question by Wexford, why was his name spelled incorrectly in the media for a good amount of time. From the timeframe that WT's name has been spelled correctly in the media, could it be assumed that authorities took in the strong likelihood that he was dead and therefore allowed the media to publish WT's name with the correct spelling?
 
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I have been following little Williams threads for ages. I do not post much but appreciate all of your great insight and discussions. I have a questions: it is mentioned that they have cleared FP and BP, have they mentioned Bio grandparents or foster grandparents? So are only the parents cleared or all foster or bio families?
 
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I have been following little Williams threads for ages. I do not post much but appreciate all of your great insight and discussions. I have a questions: it is mentioned that they have cleared FP and BP, have they mentioned Bio grandparents or foster grandparents? So are only the parents cleared or all foster or bio families?

As far as i know, i think it's only the biological parents & fosters that have been cleared by police. Can't recall anyone else being mentioned?
 
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Police question Kim: A Current Affair August 24, 2016
Richie
Published on Sep 10, 2016
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...dmother-with-links-to-two-persons-of-interest

‘Police question best friend of William Tyrrell's grandmother. A Sydney mum has told of her horror at being questioned over William Tyrrell's disappearance and asked to prove where she was the day the three-year-old disappeared. Ms Loweke has been linked to at least two persons of interest in the case.’

[video=youtube;ivK2GDnj9Ig]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivK2GDnj9Ig[/video]
 
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I have been following little Williams threads for ages. I do not post much but appreciate all of your great insight and discussions. I have a questions: it is mentioned that they have cleared FP and BP, have they mentioned Bio grandparents or foster grandparents? So are only the parents cleared or all foster or bio families?

last time Jubelin updated the public he said both sets of parents had been cleared.
 
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last time Jubelin updated the public he said both sets of parents had been cleared.

As far as i know, i think it's only the biological parents & fosters that have been cleared by police. Can't recall anyone else being mentioned?

Thank you for your response (s)
 
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Police question Kim: A Current Affair August 24, 2016
Richie
Published on Sep 10, 2016
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...dmother-with-links-to-two-persons-of-interest

‘Police question best friend of William Tyrrell's grandmother. A Sydney mum has told of her horror at being questioned over William Tyrrell's disappearance and asked to prove where she was the day the three-year-old disappeared. Ms Loweke has been linked to at least two persons of interest in the case.’

[video=youtube;ivK2GDnj9Ig]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivK2GDnj9Ig[/video]

read into the fact what you will.... It's not appropriate for police to comment on who is or isn't a POI.... but maybe contact current affairs programs when it suits. Taylor Auerbach produced the above segment and the Alanna Smith segment but was the scoop for police in the early days. Which side of the fence is he playing on?
 
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I don’t know how I’d feel or how I’d react if one day someone took my children from my care and for this to happen.
Anger at myself for dropping the ball and anger at them for taking them.

Anger at society for letting it all happen.

I don’t know which way I’d turn, I can’t fathom the hurt, guilt and anger in my heart.
It’s credible that they’d be thinking William might be alive if he wasn’t taken.




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I have been following little Williams threads for ages. I do not post much but appreciate all of your great insight and discussions. I have a questions: it is mentioned that they have cleared FP and BP, have they mentioned Bio grandparents or foster grandparents? So are only the parents cleared or all foster or bio families?

I remember replying to a post of soso’s irt another topic we were discussing that, incidentally, contained a link where there were words to the effect that William’s FGM had been ruled out of the investigation. I can’t find the link at the mo but I’m sure soso will be able to.
 
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