Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[SouthAussie]

Page is called “ the criminal list “ . Sorry if I’m breaking rules but inbox blowing up.

Can't even go there. It sounds like a counter-attack to take the focus off Spedding.
May as well pick people who have been cleared to point the finger at, no point looking at the named POI(s), hey. :facepalm:

 

[Hbayne]

That was in the afternoon. We are speaking of the 'morning calls' .... as per soso's post.

Yes SA you are right. So spedding called fg in the afternoon and was told not to come by ( for obvious reasons ) wonder if that call was deleted.

 

[drsleuth]

Apparently there has been a complaint to Facebook but they responded saying that they were not breaking any facebook rules.

I think it's also been reported to NSW police.......but it's still there. I just hope that the page is not detrimental to any court proceedings in the future :gaah:

 

[they'll get you]

Yes SA you are right. So spedding called fg in the afternoon and was told not to come by ( for obvious reasons ) wonder if that call was deleted.

How many time have we heard the murderer covers their tracks by calling their victim?
Baden-clay, Ristevski....so many others making out they don’t know a thing.


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[they'll get you]

So it should be too. Posting numerous photos of spedding that were in MSM may be allowed but the photos of fd and naming him must be breaking a rule somewhere. They put fd photo up and captioned it as poi.

That’s disgusting.


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[Hbayne]

How many time have we heard the murderer covers their tracks by calling their victim?
Baden-clay, Ristevski....so many others making out they don’t know a thing.


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Yes TGY, I've already killed you but I will cover myself by texting " how did you sleep"

 

[sosocurious]

From the piece that soso posted, it sounds as if just the calls from and to William's grandmother in the morning were not there. Presumably because they didn't actually happen.

Somehow I have always believed that he told grandma earlier that he would be back on Friday morning because he would have/did have the part by then. No further phone calls required.

The story about that seems to have evolved from what I have posted below, to Spedding saying in his video that there was no intention to go there that morning (despite what he apparently told his son). A constantly moving story ....

The close friend said Mr Spedding had driven to William's grandmother's house on Monday, September 8, walked down the side of her home, saw the washing machine and said he would need to order a part and would come back.

The friend said the washing machine part arrived on the Thursday afternoon but the following day when Mr Spedding got in touch with the family, he was told he would have to carry out the repair another time.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2831874/william-tyrell-mystery-police-focus-on-one-man/
William Harrie Spedding the focus of William Tyrell investigation

Never did quite understand why that friend told us which way BS walked.

 

[SouthAussie]

The close friend said Mr Spedding had driven to William's grandmother's house on Monday, September 8, walked down the side of her home, saw the washing machine and said he would need to order a part and would come back.

The friend said the washing machine part arrived on the Thursday afternoon but the following day when Mr Spedding got in touch with the family, he was told he would have to carry out the repair another time.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2831874/william-tyrell-mystery-police-focus-on-one-man/
William Harrie Spedding the focus of William Tyrell investigation

Never did quite understand why that friend told us which way BS walked.

Exactamundo .... 'would come back'. More calls required? Or did grandma just say 'okay I will be here, I am not going anywhere'. (Remember, she was recovering from an illness.)

 

[Hbayne]

Exactamundo .... 'would come back'. More calls required? Or did grandma just say 'okay I will be here, I am not going anywhere'. (Remember, she was recovering from an illness.)

Friend must have grilled him to have that info.

 

[SouthAussie]

Having read that article I've just thought of another explanation for the sex assault story, favourable to Spedding, which I won't share for fear it gives him an idea for a lie. Or adds to the pain of the probable victims. On the whole I believe the elder girl, but I'd have trouble getting "beyond reasonable doubt" without a lot more evidence.

Hopefully, they have a lot more evidence. They may have lost Spedding's interview from that time period, but perhaps they have not lost what the girls said at the time. Plus they have the medical reports. They have the proof that Hillsley was in jail. They likely have proof that Spedding was living there at the time.

I know that one judge said that 'a reporting female' appeared unstable or something .. but who wouldn't be erratic, if their girls had been raped and thrown around? And I know they said she had accused other men, too. Well, maybe there were other men ... didn't the children say they were passed around?

I also read recently that the mother AND grandmother were both told it was Bill by the 3 year old.

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[SouthAussie]

Hopefully, they have a lot more evidence. They may have lost Spedding's interview from that time period, but perhaps they have not lost what the girls said at the time. Plus they have the medical reports. They have the proof that Hillsley was in jail. They likely have proof that Spedding was living there at the time.

I know that one judge said that 'a reporting female' appeared unstable or something .. but who wouldn't be erratic, if their girls had been raped and thrown around? And I know they said she had accused other men, too. Well, maybe there were other men ... didn't the children say they were passed around?

I also read recently that the mother AND grandmother were both told it was Bill by the 3 year old.

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Here are some links to back up what I just posted here ...


"There is evidence of other adult offenders who are complicit in similar child sex offences both independently and in conjunction with the accused in this matter," the police fact sheet states.

The grandmother and mother of the alleged victim told police they remembered the three-year-old complaining of soreness and saying: "Bill did it."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...phile-ring-police-allege-20150423-1mrvj7.html

 

[JLZ]

Hopefully, they have a lot more evidence. They may have lost Spedding's interview from that time period, but perhaps they have not lost what the girls said at the time. Plus they have the medical reports. They have the proof that Hillsley was in jail. They likely have proof that Spedding was living there at the time.

I know that one judge said that 'a reporting female' appeared unstable or something .. but who wouldn't be erratic, if their girls had been raped and thrown around? And I know they said she had accused other men, too. Well, maybe there were other men ... didn't the children say they were passed around?

I also read recently that the mother AND grandmother were both told it was Bill by the 3 year old.

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I understand Hillsley was in gaol at the time of the medical examination but there was some question as to how long ago the assault on the 3-year-old occurred. But even if Hillsley was out, that's not to say Spedding wasn't a participant. I just tend to think the then 6-year-old knows the who of this (Spedding) even if she's wrong about some of the details.

 

[sosocurious]

Wasn’t there a reference somewhere way back that foster mum said he had called and was told not come by as something had happened ?

A friend of Mr Spedding said that Mr Spedding had a missed call from William’s grandmother on Friday morning but could not get through when he tried to call back.

He said Mr Spedding spoke to William’s mother who advised him not to worry about the repair job.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...y/news-story/de17652fc9dc19f9cdaab2d68d2bdf18

Was it the foster mother or that friend?

 

[Karinna]

I understand Hillsley was in gaol at the time of the medical examination but there was some question as to how long ago the assault on the 3-year-old occurred. But even if Hillsley was out, that's not to say Spedding wasn't a participant. I just tend to think the then 6-year-old knows the who of this (Spedding) even if she's wrong about some of the details.

(quote)
In granting bail, Justice Geoffrey Bellew said one of the girls, who was three at the time of the alleged offence, had no recollection of it and "vague memories of youth" despite a 21-page statement.

He said the reliability of the complainant would probably be an issue and there were concerns about whether both girls were "coached" by an adult in making the claims.

"It is clear to me that the matters to which I have referred to will be a substantial issue in the proceedings brought against the applicant," Justice Bellew said.

"It is difficult to accept the crown submission that [the] crown case is strong."

Justice Bellew noted that Spedding was investigated over the alleged offences nearly 30 years ago and never charged.

He said Spedding becoming a person of interest in William's disappearance had "revived" the prior allegations.

Justice Bellew pointed out further shortcomings in the crown case including that it had no transcript of an interview with Spedding from the investigation in the 1980s.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/william-spedding-granted-bail-in-supreme-court/6558628

 

[SouthAussie]

I understand Hillsley was in gaol at the time of the medical examination but there was some question as to how long ago the assault on the 3-year-old occurred. But even if Hillsley was out, that's not to say Spedding wasn't a participant. I just tend to think the then 6-year-old knows the who of this (Spedding) even if she's wrong about some of the details.

In that long link I posted yesterday, the austlii one, I noticed (and posted) that they said that they try to focus on specific time periods - like Christmas, New Years, birthdays, etc - to help the victims recall the events of those periods, in historical child sex crimes.

I think these assaults took place over a time period that was likely somewhat rememberable. Wasn't it Easter weekend or something?

 

[sosocurious]

Exactamundo .... 'would come back'. More calls required? Or did grandma just say 'okay I will be here, I am not going anywhere'. (Remember, she was recovering from an illness.)

It just makes sense. Your family are coming for a few days, you washer is broken.
You phone Mr we repair anywhere. He says yep it will take a day for the part to get here but it should be good for Friday morning.
I really don't want to do it over the weekend because I have footy but if the part does not get here until late Friday I can pop on out then if that's OK.

Nice helpful tradesman.

So foster Mum calls to see how the part was going so as they could plan their day because 2 kids 3 adults and washing already piled up .... best not to miss the repairman.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

A friend of Mr Spedding said that Mr Spedding had a missed call from William’s grandmother on Friday morning but could not get through when he tried to call back.

He said Mr Spedding spoke to William’s mother who advised him not to worry about the repair job.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...y/news-story/de17652fc9dc19f9cdaab2d68d2bdf18

Was it the foster mother or that friend?

I think I remember the foster mum speaking of that phone call during her ACA (?) interview, and she said that she told him that now was not a good time. She said his call was in the arvo. Why do I think that she even said around 2pm? And wasn't that the time of Spedding's job in Dunbogan?

 

[sosocurious]

Here are some links to back up what I just posted here ...


"There is evidence of other adult offenders who are complicit in similar child sex offences both independently and in conjunction with the accused in this matter," the police fact sheet states.

The grandmother and mother of the alleged victim told police they remembered the three-year-old complaining of soreness and saying: "Bill did it."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...phile-ring-police-allege-20150423-1mrvj7.html

So it was someone they knew well?

 

[Hbayne]

(quote)
In granting bail, Justice Geoffrey Bellew said one of the girls, who was three at the time of the alleged offence, had no recollection of it and "vague memories of youth" despite a 21-page statement.

He said the reliability of the complainant would probably be an issue and there were concerns about whether both girls were "coached" by an adult in making the claims.

"It is clear to me that the matters to which I have referred to will be a substantial issue in the proceedings brought against the applicant," Justice Bellew said.

"It is difficult to accept the crown submission that [the] crown case is strong."

Justice Bellew noted that Spedding was investigated over the alleged offences nearly 30 years ago and never charged.

He said Spedding becoming a person of interest in William's disappearance had "revived" the prior allegations.

Justice Bellew pointed out further shortcomings in the crown case including that it had no transcript of an interview with Spedding from the investigation in the 1980s.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/william-spedding-granted-bail-in-supreme-court/6558628

Any historical case particularly involving little kids recollections is going to be very hard to prove. If it’s not true ( I believe it is ) then what would be their agenda. . Don’t believe it’s money as I don’t think there would be any there to compensate.

 

[SouthAussie]

So it was someone they knew well?

Apparently. The austili link I posted yesterday also said that the time periods they concentrate on - like Christmas, Easter, birthdays, etc., for better recall - are generally periods of when behaviour escalated also. From touching or whatever, to full blown ... whatever.