Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Karinna]

Karinna you have no idea of what they were the ff were going through, I can't imagine it . "So good luck to them" really what does that mean.

It means they must be strong people because there is no way i could be doing all that, and yes, good luck to them is exactly what i meant.

 

[SouthAussie]

Karinna you have no idea of what they were the ff were going through, I can't imagine it . "So good luck to them" really what does that mean.

I so admire the foster parents. Showing their little daughter they love her so much, no matter what they are all going through. Encapsulating her in their arms and their care and their warmth. Offering her this normalcy. What a fabulous couple they are.

I have no doubt that once they are successful in their efforts, their young daughter will grow into a beautiful young woman, who is caring and filled with empathy. And, likely, well educated, too.

 

[Hbayne]

It means they must be strong people because there is no way i could be doing all that, and yes, good luck to them is exactly what i meant.

But what is "all that" ??? I'm not understanding your point. To try to gain permanent custody of their foster daughter after losing their foster son .

 

[Hbayne]

I so admire the foster parents. Showing their little daughter they love her so much, no matter what they are all going through. Encapsulating her in their arms and their care and their warmth. Offering her this normalcy. What a fabulous couple they are.

I have no doubt that once they are successful in their efforts, their young daughter will grow into a beautiful young woman, who is caring and filled with empathy. And, likely, well educated, too.

So spot on SA. Of course that would be therre intention. I'm sure they didn't throw up their arms and say that's it . Head bangs against brick wall .

 

[Hbayne]

It means they must be strong people because there is no way i could be doing all that, and yes, good luck to them is exactly what i meant.

And how great it is if they are a strong couple. Great for the little girl that she has these strong role models in her life .

 

[SouthAussie]

But what is "all that" ??? I'm not understanding your point. To try to gain permanent custody of their foster daughter after losing their foster son .

How much they probably wanted to speak out, following William's disappearance. Shout from the rooftops for help to find their boy. They certainly learned the limitations of fostering a child, in this kind of situation, and presumably other situations as well.

I am really pleased for them, and for their little daughter. After all, she is not a fish to be thrown back in the water because things went very bad for her brother .. due to some evil, horrible entity.

 

[JLZ]

Well that was my question. Who did William think his biological parents were? How confusing for a little boy, IMO.
When would they have told him the truth? Possibly as he grew older? He was just over 3 yrs. old before he went missing, and if he was still having those infrequent visits with bio family ? as i said how confusing for him.

"Biological parents" isn't really a concept that a three-year-old has. His parents are the people who perform parenthood, and then there are other adults he has a relationship with, even if they call themselves (for example; I don't know what they called themselves) Mumma-Karlie and Daddy-Brendan. Contact I believe was supervised so somebody would have been there to make sure that biological relatives didn't manipulate William's feelings. The foster mother was putting a lot of effort into documenting William's history with the photographs for his life-story book; it seemed they were taking care of his sense of identity in terms of his history. I think it would have been harder for William's sister because her background seems to have been more complicated and she came to the foster parents as a slightly older child. And now of course . . . poor little one.

 

[Hbayne]

How much they probably wanted to speak out, following William's disappearance. Shout from the rooftops for help to find their boy. They certainly learned the limitations of fostering a child, in this kind of situation, and presumably other situations as well.

I am really pleased for them, and for their little daughter. After all, she is not a fish to be thrown back in the water because things went very bad for her brother .. due to some evil, horrible entity.

Again, spot on there SA

 

[Hbayne]

"Biological parents" isn't really a concept that a three-year-old has. His parents are the people who perform parenthood, and then there are other adults he has a relationship with, even if they call themselves (for example; I don't know what they called themselves) Mumma-Karlie and Daddy-Brendan. Contact I believe was supervised so somebody would have been there to make sure that biological relatives didn't manipulate William's feelings. The foster mother was putting a lot of effort into documenting William's history with the photographs for his life-story book; it seemed they were taking care of his sense of identity in terms of his history. I think it would have been harder for William's sister because her background seems to have been more complicated and she came to the foster parents as a slightly older child. And now of course . . . poor little one.

My thanks button has disappeared, but thankyou for this spot on post.

 

[Hbayne]

And how great it is if they are a strong couple. Great for the little girl that she has these strong role models in her life .

Cause the alternative could have been being in a shopping centre seeing your mother spit at police officers.

 

[Karinna]

But what is "all that" ??? I'm not understanding your point. To try to gain permanent custody of their foster daughter after losing their foster son .

Of having a child you were responsible for and the cruel twist of fate that ensued to have that child go missing. I would of had a meltdown mentally, but that's just me. It would take an awful lot of strength and energy to keep going after something like that happened. And still not knowing the fate of William would be horrendous for all concerned.
After my young adult son was killed i still had a 2 year old i had to get up for everyday because he needed me, but all i wanted was to curl up and die myself, but i had to somewhere deep within find some strength to keep going, and the tears never stopped and i couldn't even control those tearful outbursts no matter where i was or what i was doing, and could hardly even mention his name it was all so surreal. It was a horrible time for sure.

 

[SouthAussie]

Cause the alternative could have been being in a shopping centre seeing your mother spit at police officers.

And visiting your father in prison.

 

[sosocurious]

How much they probably wanted to speak out, following William's disappearance. Shout from the rooftops for help to find their boy. They certainly learned the limitations of fostering a child, in this kind of situation, and presumably other situations as well.

I am really pleased for them, and for their little daughter. After all, she is not a fish to be thrown back in the water because things went very bad for her brother .. due to some evil, horrible entity.

Williams little sister will be able to read in the archived newspaper in years to come if she so chooses.
She will understand the stoic and vigilant way her foster parents fought through their own hurt and pain to protect the privacy of not just her, but her siblings.
She will also be able to read about her biological parents if she chooses.....sad.

That primal connection........:gaah:

 

[Hbayne]

Of having a child you were responsible for and the cruel twist of fate that ensued to have that child go missing. I would of had a meltdown mentally, but that's just me. It would take an awful lot of strength and energy to keep going after something like that happened. And still not knowing the fate of William would be horrendous for all concerned.
After my young adult son was killed i still had a 2 year old i had to get up for everyday because he needed me, but all i wanted was to curl up and die myself, but i had to somewhere deep within find some strength to keep going, and the tears never stopped and i couldn't even control those tearful outbursts no matter where i was or what i was doing, and could hardly even mention his name it was all so surreal. It was a horrible time for sure.

Karinna that's awful what you went through and my heart goes out to you but you did just say you had to go on when you wanted to curl up in a ball, I'm sure ff felt the same way

 

[SouthAussie]

Williams little sister will be able to read in the archived newspaper in years to come if she so chooses.
She will understand the stoic and vigilant way her foster parents fought through their own hurt and pain to protect the privacy of not just her, but her siblings.
She will also be able to read about her biological parents if she chooses.....sad.

That primal connection........:gaah:

Yes, one day she will truly understand what was done for her, and what wasn't done for her.
She is learning some huge life lessons for such a little tacker. Will likely develop a strong insight into other people, if she hasn't started to do so already.

 

[Karinna]

Karinna that's awful what you went through and my heart goes out to you but you did just say you had to go on when you wanted to curl up in a ball, I'm sure ff felt the same way

Thanks, but i imagine with a missing child it would still offer a little glimmer of hope that child could be out there alive somewhere and i imagine the parents never give up that little bit of hope. It would be a different kind of grieving i think, and of course if the child is eventually found and deceased would be when the real grieving process and resolution would start even though your mind would be going through lots of different scenarios in the interim. And of course the missing them constantly too.

 

[SouthAussie]

No finality for the parents of a missing child. No end point of the sad occurence. The grief goes on and on and on, never a chance for it to ease. It must be awful.


"Often when there is no proof a missing child is alive or dead, there can be no finality, no resolution in the grieving process. Many parents of missing children are familiar with this 'unresolved grief' with mood swings between grief and hope: one moment mourning the loss of their child, the next hoping desperately their child will be found alive, safe and well.

Unresolved grief affects family members' relationships with each other and often tensions are high. It should be emphasised that individuals react very differently in situations involving enormous emotional stress and most reactions are means of coping with the situation."

https://aic.gov.au/publications/crimprev/children

 

[SouthAussie]

I think this ^^^^ is what makes me feel so angry toward that person who knows something about William's disappearance, and is not coming forward.

The perp has not only likely destroyed a young boy's life, by possibly taking his life, they have also bound his parents to a life of hellish thoughts. They do not even have a way to ease their situation. To have the normal ceremonies to help the process begin.

The person who knows something should really have a think about that. It is not just about the abductor who wanted to satisfy himself, who maybe 'didn't mean it' 'lost his head' ... whatever.

It is about this ....

In terms of grieving, it would perhaps be *better if they had a body and they knew he was dead, the detective says. “But they can’t bear to say he’s dead, because that would mean giving up hope.” And at this point, hope is all they have.

“The worst case is not that a body is found,” Jubelin says. “The worst case is that a body is never found.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

 

[Karinna]

"Biological parents" isn't really a concept that a three-year-old has. His parents are the people who perform parenthood, and then there are other adults he has a relationship with, even if they call themselves (for example; I don't know what they called themselves) Mumma-Karlie and Daddy-Brendan. Contact I believe was supervised so somebody would have been there to make sure that biological relatives didn't manipulate William's feelings. The foster mother was putting a lot of effort into documenting William's history with the photographs for his life-story book; it seemed they were taking care of his sense of identity in terms of his history. I think it would have been harder for William's sister because her background seems to have been more complicated and she came to the foster parents as a slightly older child. And now of course . . . poor little one.

BBM, If we can believe this article then William very much knew his mum & dad.
(quote)
Natalie said a last-minute change to William’s plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.

She also revealed William’s very close relationship with his biological father, even after the boy was removed from her son’s care.

On the last occasion Brendan Collins and William’s mother Karlie Tyrrell saw their son, the three-year-old clung to Brendan and cried “Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, I love you,” Natalie told news.com.au.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[sleepinoz]

BBM, If we can believe this article then William very much knew his mum & dad.
(quote)
Natalie said a last-minute change to William’s plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.

She also revealed William’s very close relationship with his biological father, even after the boy was removed from her son’s care.

On the last occasion Brendan Collins and William’s mother Karlie Tyrrell saw their son, the three-year-old clung to Brendan and cried “Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, I love you,” Natalie told news.com.au.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

To believe that, you have to believe Natalie :facepalm: