Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[they'll get you]

https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU


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[Wexford]

Me too bear.
It’ll come from around behind the court case.


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Agree. I believe the next step hinges on the court case. And certainly if you believe the chatter on SM at the moment a lot of others are hanging their hat on it too.

 

[bearbear]

Agree. I believe the next step hinges on the court case. And certainly if you believe the chatter on SM at the moment a lot of others are hanging their hat on it too.

any hints/links on the chatter on sm?
i dont have a fb account

 

[SouthAussie]

Remember this? I wonder if a version of this could happen in William's case ... after Spedding's current court cases. Perhaps in exchange for a lighter sentence in the current cases, if found guilty, and no further prosecution.

The office of the NSW Attorney-General confirmed a deal was struck with Mr Atkins in November last year.

Under the deal, Mr Atkins was given indemnity specifically from prosecution for perjury and contempt of court on the evidence he gave at the inquest.

The deal is conditional on detectives actually finding Mr Leveson's remains. Put simply — no body, no deal.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...michael-atkins-could-be-charged-again/8578324

 

[iailwa]

Unless there is a deathbed confession I can’t see this case ever being solved now.
Even if Williams body is found now, I don’t think there is enough evidence to satisfy a jury.
This must be Jubelins most frustrating case ‘knowing’ who did it but not able to prove it.
I believe it happened exactly as Jubelin described, not planned, took seconds, and maybe regretted minutes later.

Even if William is found? I think if little William is found it would make a great contribution to finding his abdutor - unless the very perp is well skilled in forensics... there must be some trace evidence?

 

[iailwa]

Yes, next search radius is 20 km or 20 minutes’ drive from the point of abduction.

No doubt that’s why there was such an extensive search off the Ghost Road, after the tip was received saying someone had seen a white van turn off into a bush track there. I think they also searched around Queens Lake.

And, of course, CASC Squad turned turned BS’ office at Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills upside down. But that was after the plumber’s tip about the boy’s t-shirt found blocking the sewerage pipe.

I don’t know about a search at Dunbogan. Maybe someone could provide kiwi and I with a link please?

Very useful info thanks BO. So does this area include the "jesus saves William" stump? Just a quick q - i should look it up!!!

 

[frogwell]

Remember this? I wonder if a version of this could happen in William's case ... after Spedding's current court cases. Perhaps in exchange for a lighter sentence in the current cases, if found guilty, and no further prosecution.

I can't see how that would work, or be offered, and I know would be completely unsatisfactory everone. The premise for him being charged with whatever, for WT's disappearance would be based on what he has done to his previous victims historically and as far as we know a circumstancial evidence case. If he was able to give a body at a coronial inquiry after an immunity deal, he might be able to get away with saying he pulled up and ran WT over by accident, panicked and left the scene with him. Atkins could not be tried again due to double indemnity laws but he did get done on perjury. He was looking at 10 years and made up some BS about his partner oding. MOO

 

[frogwell]

Also, if found guilty of the historical charges, as terrible as they are, will he not be sentenced in accordance with how he would be sentenced at the actual time of the crimes, substantially lessening a sentence if he did the same thing today?

 

[iailwa]

Sorry guys, I come here sporadically lately. I wish we knew what happened to William but because there's often no concrete info - sometimes i avoid even looking here. It breaks my heart. Obviously i aways come back tho.. I'm just so glad that so may people are interested in his welfare...he obviously has legions of fans. sorry to be sporadic tho..

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't see how that would work, or be offered, and I know would be completely unsatisfactory to the public. The premise for him being charged with whatever, for WT's disappearance would be based on what he has done to his previous victims historically and as far as we know a circumstancial evidence case. If he was able to give a body at a coronial inquiry after an immunity deal, he might be able to get away with saying he pulled up and ran WT over by accident, panicked and left the scene with him. Atkins could not be tried again due to double indemnity laws but he did get done on perjury. He was looking at 10 years and made up some BS about his partner oding. MOO

I just keep thinking of Jubelin saying ... the worst is not finding a body, the worst is never finding a body.

 

[iailwa]

If the police take what is said seriously ,it can be solved.

what do you mean???

 

[SouthAussie]

Also, if found guilty of the historical charges, as terrible as they are, will he not be sentenced in accordance with how he would be sentenced at the actual time of the crimes, substantially lessening a sentence if he did the same thing today?

That I am not sure about. When I was looking at some of the historical cases that Judge Syme has presided over, she gave some pretty tough sentences to the guilty parties. Even the ones who pled guilty.

 

[Unit45]

Its better to hold out hold hope than to capitulate to the forsaken.

Lets hope we see little William running around again, and for whoever has taken him your time will come.

 

[frogwell]

I just keep thinking of Jubelin saying ... the worst is not finding a body, the worst is never finding a body.

Yes, to make that grim choice though, if there is a choice must be terrible for families. A conclusion, a body, but no real justice. Terrible.

 

[iailwa]

Also, if found guilty of the historical charges, as terrible as they are, will he not be sentenced in accordance with how he would be sentenced at the actual time of the crimes, substantially lessening a sentence if he did the same thing today?

yes, but only if he was a juvenile at the time...

 

[iailwa]

Hi all. just interested in your opinions about the stump found in the Middle Brother State Forest...last year. It might not interest anybody, but i'm so curious. It says "JESUS SAVES WILLIAM". I saw it myself. Geographically speaking it's within a curious radius - & then, also, it was some time later (like a delayed trophy signature). The police indicated it was a part of a geo-chacing-game - but the response by police was so immense, & the response from the geo-caching team was that it wasn't there - the week before. In other words - it was newish when found. MOO is the police think it's a clue of sorts... Opinions?

 

[kiwi50]

I just keep thinking of Jubelin saying ... the worst is not finding a body, the worst is never finding a body.

Absolutely. I can’t imagine how the FPS can function, they would feel guilty if they try to move on. They deserve closure, not having to live with this forever, always thinking, how, what if.

 

[Wexford]

any hints/links on the chatter on sm?
i dont have a fb account

A lot of chatter from several members of the BS camp on one FB site re the court case end of Feb and how it will prove his innocence. Nothing of substance, just chatter, but they all seem convinced.

 

[sosocurious]

Also, Spedding's vehicles were not impounded until 4 months after William's disappearance, when his properties were all searched. Perhaps because they needed reasonable cause to do that. Plenty of time for a good cleaning.

An initial search may have been authorised by the vehicle's owner, and that is when the police may have questioned a missing/broken car part.


During the raids on Spedding’s pawnbroking business, police took away items including *computers and a mattress. For two days they also searched his house at Bonny Hills, a short drive from Kendall, where they pumped out a septic tank and ferreted beneath the house. Three vehicles belonging to Spedding were taken away for forensic examination.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

"It's been terrible. When it all started [the first police search of his home], they took his phone off him and we weren't able to contact him and find out what was going on," he said.
"It was very, very hard and it's been very hard on Bill and Margaret."
Mr Spedding said he and one of his sisters would continue to support their father and hoped police would soon find William.

Was there more than one search of BS home?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...s-disappearance-son-says-20150303-13tz7u.html

 

[Unit45]

Hi all. just interested in your opinions about the stump found in the Middle Brother State Forest...last year. It might not interest anybody, but i'm so curious. It says "JESUS SAVES WILLIAM". I saw it myself. Geographically speaking it's within a curious radius - & then, also, it was some time later (like a delayed trophy signature). The police indicated it was a part of a geo-chacing-game - but the response by police was so immense, & the response from the geo-caching team was that it wasn't there - the week before. In other words - it was newish when found. MOO is the police think it's a clue of sorts... Opinions?

Its could be a sick clue, there's a lot of sick minds out there.