Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Warshawski]

I have always wondered what information GJ had to come to the conclusion WT was taken from that position. With what we have learned about WT's habits at home and what was happening that day, I always thought of him being picked up from the driveways.

uumm .. 'Hello, what's your name Spiderman ( apologies for mixing my superheroes earlier!) William? Well William, I love Spiderman too. If you run down the side there to my Van, I'll meet you and give you my very special Spiderman ' .. Ugh ...

 

[Warshawski]

We’ve sleuthed this before and we looked at this area under the verandah where someone could be hidden but still be watching William.

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Where is this in relation to the Laundry?

 

[SouthAussie]

Left about 3.00 pm its about 3 hours 56 min trip plus stop at Maccas.

Is that IF they left about 3pm? As in, your opinion?

You seem to be stating this as a fact. But I don't see an MSM link with that info.

 

[Whàngarei]

Is that IF they left about 3pm? As in, your opinion?

You seem to be stating this as a fact. But I don't see an MSM link with that info.

imo ....

 

[JLZ]

Interesting that Spedding waived his right to committal, though. That is exactly the point where he could have had the charges dismissed, if the evidence is so weak. (And saved us taxpayers a whole bunch of trial defence dollars.)



Committal proceedings essentials
s. 66 Discharge
If the Magistrate is not of the opinion that there is a reasonable prospect that a reasonable jury, properly instructed, would convict the accused person of an indictable offence, the Magistrate must immediately order the accused person to be discharged in relation to the offence.

http://www.austcrimlaw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Committal_hearing_essentials-2012.pdf

It was the gentlemanly thing to do for the victims; on the other hand, it hardly ever happens that cases are dismissed at committal. You occasionally hear talk of changing the law to get rid of committals, because they lengthen the legal process without conferring a clear benefit.

 

[JLZ]

Where is this in relation to the Laundry?

Across the porch to the lawn and around the corner. Just a few steps. But if Spedding walked down the paved driveway to the porch and the laundry door, he would not have passed the photographed location.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was the gentlemanly thing to do for the victims; on the other hand, it hardly ever happens that cases are dismissed at committal. You occasionally hear talk of changing the law to get rid of committals, because they lengthen the legal process without conferring a clear benefit.

Hard for me to believe that Spedding would be gentlemanly, after trying to convince a victim to give him a character reference, let alone the violent things he is accused of.

I think there is likely another reason why a committal was waived, and it is all about an S.91/93 application. That is, if there will be no chance for the defence to question a weak potential witness/weak evidence during the committal hearing, and expose some Prosecutional weakness.



"Waiver of committal – an accused has a right to waive their right to committal with the consent of the prosecutor. This can be done at any time of the proceedings.
It is hard to see any tactical benefits in doing so although if there are to be no ss.91/93 applications or submissions on whether or not the accused should be committed for trial, there would be no disadvantage in doing so."

(A s.91/93 application is an application to have a person who made a written statement attend to give evidence. Importantly, it must be a statement (or evidence) that the prosecution intends to tender as evidence in the committal proceedings – in some cases the DPP may say that they are not relying on certain evidence thereby preventing an application.)

http://www.austcrimlaw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Committal_hearing_essentials-2012.pdf

 

[Warshawski]

A spot left for the repair van to park in amongst the search vehicles, in between the two driveways.

Remember when Colin told us BS walked down the side of the house to look at the washer...why?
Right or Left?

You know what peeves me off ? .. The fact that I am so far behind - so my comments are way out of sinc

 

[Warshawski]

Was TJ's victim a child in his care? Related to TJ? If so KC may be related to both of them. When she was discussed here in 2015 it was thought she was also his neighbour.

I'm intrigued & baffled by the 'intertwined' relationships in this situation. NC best friend KL lives with J who is brother-in-law of T .. Who is friends with BS, who knows FG . (and perhaps there's more that my tiny brain has missed or forgotten!)

I wonder if those relationships were in place before or after those children were placed in foster care.

 

[JLZ]

Hard for me to believe that Spedding would be gentlemanly, after trying to convince a victim to give him a character reference, let alone the violent things he is accused of.

I think there is likely another reason why a committal was waived, and it is all about an S.91/93 application. That is, if there will be no chance for the defence to question a weak potential witness/weak evidence during the committal hearing, and expose some Prosecutional weakness.



"Waiver of committal – an accused has a right to waive their right to committal with the consent of the prosecutor. This can be done at any time of the proceedings.
It is hard to see any tactical benefits in doing so although if there are to be no ss.91/93 applications or submissions on whether or not the accused should be committed for trial, there would be no disadvantage in doing so."

(A s.91/93 application is an application to have a person who made a written statement attend to give evidence. Importantly, it must be a statement (or evidence) that the prosecution intends to tender as evidence in the committal proceedings – in some cases the DPP may say that they are not relying on certain evidence thereby preventing an application.)

http://www.austcrimlaw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Committal_hearing_essentials-2012.pdf

My brain isn't taking that in; too late in the evening probably.

I imagine there'd be a savings on his legal costs by skipping committal.

 

[SouthAussie]

My brain isn't taking that in; too late in the evening probably.

I imagine there'd be a savings on his legal costs by skipping committal.

Yes, I thought of that, too. But who is paying for his trial and defence? My guess is that we are. So, I can't imagine him caring about that.

And if his charges were dismissed at committal, that would be an even bigger savings.

Which is why I looked further for a motivation for a waiver. And I believe it is because he would likely have no chance to discredit the Prosecution's evidence at committal .... well, not their weaker evidence, anyway. And, therefore, seek a dismissal.
So, presumably, the rest of the evidence is enough to send him to trial. And he and his lawyer know that.


(It took me several goes throughout the evening to try to understand the S91/93 thing, so no worries. )

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I now worry about this "Katrina" safety after seeing AJ's temper

Imagine, how he would behave with a child that does not want to endure what he wants to do to him! Dangerous guy, OMG.

 

[bearbear]

just read on another site bs owned a white station wagon which his grandson also drove, not sure if true or not but interesting if it is

 

[Josh Knight]

Cmon LE start joining the dots and get these scum bags in for some serious questioning. Out of all the maggots in this pedo ring. Which one could you guys picture cracking first? For me it would be TJ. He is just such an unstable character. I could picture him digging a very deep hole for himself. Then cracking. The other ones especially Bickford seem quite intelligent and would know how to lie and not get caught when cross examined.

 

[Whàngarei]

I'm intrigued & baffled by the 'intertwined' relationships in this situation. NC best friend KL lives with J who is brother-in-law of T .. Who is friends with BS, who knows FG . (and perhaps there's more that my tiny brain has missed or forgotten!)

I wonder if those relationships were in place before or after those children were placed in foster care.

There's more
But you get the general idea.kl is linked intricately with a number of people. So is s.bickford

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm intrigued & baffled by the 'intertwined' relationships in this situation. NC best friend KL lives with J who is brother-in-law of T .. Who is friends with BS, who knows FG . (and perhaps there's more that my tiny brain has missed or forgotten!)

There's more
But you get the general idea.kl is linked intricately with a number of people. So is s.bickford

Though that is probably not so surprising, is it? Considering that it is an area of small towns, with many people having attended the same schools, pubs, shops, sporting events, jobs, whatever ... throughout the years of their lives in the area.

To me, there is bound to be some overlap - overlap that is not all completely sinister.

 

[Hbayne]

Though that is probably not so surprising, is it? Considering that it is an area of small towns, with many people having attended the same schools, pubs, shops, sporting events, jobs, whatever ... throughout the years of their lives in the area.

To me, there is bound to be some overlap - overlap that is not all completely sinister.

So right there.

 

[Hbayne]

TJ and spedding are still my prime suspects

 

[Warshawski]

I was impressed with how he turned around, as soon as he was unexpectedly approached, and went for the safety of the police station. Then was put into a room by the police officer, and didn't come out until other officers could be present to monitor the situation outside.

He is not so stupid or alcohol-addled.

Just so very adept at swotting off those fleas from all the other dogs he's lain didn't with, IMO !

 

[Wexford]

Though that is probably not so surprising, is it? Considering that it is an area of small towns, with many people having attended the same schools, pubs, shops, sporting events, jobs, whatever ... throughout the years of their lives in the area.

To me, there is bound to be some overlap - overlap that is not all completely sinister.

Yes but let's not forget not all of these people have lived in the area the whole time. MS was originally from around Kendall area but MS and BS lived in several other country areas including Wellington for some time. AJ also lived in Wellington and apparently there was some interaction there between them.