Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Wexford]

Taylor has been around on this case since very early in the piece ... at least from the beginning of March 2015, if not longer.
And he makes a point of featuring the main POIs.


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...d/news-story/6a42aa0744d5c9857b3238c8a1bbf69b
MARCH 4, 2015
Taylor Auerbach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgO5P1V5w9Y
And this story.
Remember there was some debate on this as some thought it was KT walking backwards past Allana Smith at the fountain?

 

[papertrail]

The mobile phone reception in Kendall is atrocious and William’s dad, a consultant, has to deliver a Skype presentation, so at 9.15am he drives to nearby Lakewood to get a reliable signal.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

Thank you for this info. Paywall prevents link content. If ff knew he had such an important presentation then why travel to Kendall on Thursday? To me this is sounding like someone connected to ff was in the know about trip to kendall. Did any of the pois have a link to Lakewood.....that town name is ringing a bell in my head.

 

[papertrail]

BBM




It's reported he left to get better mobile and/or Skype coverage. I believe I've heard that he did have an appointment to Skype. Possibly they were able to leave Thursday instead of Friday because he was able to arrange his Friday morning meeting to happen by Skype instead of in person. It's uncertain how much information he may have dropped in the process of organizing this--I imagine he was discreet--or how much another party, knowing him, was able to surmise. Supposing the call to be a work meeting, it's possible somebody connected with his work knew or guessed the family would be in Kendall Friday morning.

Thankyou. Given the trip to Kendall was meant to be an innocent family get together there would have been no need to be discreet only with gran due to the ff family surprise visit.

 

[papertrail]

Therefore I take it the 000 call was made using a landline

 

[papertrail]

The abduction of William was planned with military precision. There was an extremely small and tight window of opportunity. I wonder if the police have checked foster parents mobiles for spyware the type which allows outsiders to eavesdrop on conversations.

 

[sosocurious]

Therefore I take it the 000 call was made using a landline

Mum said something like I can go out and ask the lady who is helping .... which was a bit of a give away she was inside and probably on the landline.
If she was on a mobile she would have likely had it to her ear while still outside searching....imo

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgO5P1V5w9Y
And this story.
Remember there was some debate on this as some thought it was KT walking backwards past Allana Smith at the fountain?

Yes, there are a couple of shots that could easily be Karlie imo. Present at the interviews on a couple of days, as I believe by the difference in Alana Pearl Smith's clothing, the programme video could be compiled from at least two days shootings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgO5P1V5w9Y

 

[SouthAussie]

This is going to sound horrible but here goes. Spedding was driving to grandmothers place with part. He saw WT out front and abducted him. Rang his pedo mates Bickford and TJ. They did what they did to WT. Then one of them was given the job of getting rid of body. Which was most likely TJ. That’s why he came home late and drunk and Spedding and Bickford could organise alibis.

Thanks, Josh. Yes .. there is nothing that sounds less than horrible to do with William's disappearance. Although we all would like the perp to have been some sweet, confused lady who is still caring for William in some hidden place, the outcome is likely to be much grimmer than that.

 

[JLZ]

Thankyou. Given the trip to Kendall was meant to be an innocent family get together there would have been no need to be discreet only with gran due to the ff family surprise visit.

I think a certain level of secrecy is routine in a foster situation, and if it's true that William had been kept in hiding by the biological family before, there may have been extra reason. Remember too FM's early intuition about abduction--as if it was something she'd been fearing.

 

[frogwell]

Thank you for this info. Paywall prevents link content. If ff knew he had such an important presentation then why travel to Kendall on Thursday? To me this is sounding like someone connected to ff was in the know about trip to kendall. Did any of the pois have a link to Lakewood.....that town name is ringing a bell in my head.

BS has a family link to Lakewood and to Kendall, both through his marriage.

 

[louisepiglet]

Thank you for this info. Paywall prevents link content. If ff knew he had such an important presentation then why travel to Kendall on Thursday? To me this is sounding like someone connected to ff was in the know about trip to kendall. Did any of the pois have a link to Lakewood.....that town name is ringing a bell in my head.

BBM Very good point papertrail.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe it was going to be a Skype presentation, no matter where the foster dad was. In which case, it wouldn't matter where he delivered it from. Skype presentations are nothing terribly unusual, especially if they are to interstate or overseas persons.

The family being in Kendall a little earlier would have given the family more time with the grandma who was apparently recovering from an illness.

.

 

[sosocurious]

Thank you for this info. Paywall prevents link content. If ff knew he had such an important presentation then why travel to Kendall on Thursday? To me this is sounding like someone connected to ff was in the know about trip to kendall. Did any of the pois have a link to Lakewood.....that town name is ringing a bell in my head.

Where did it say important?
Maybe it was just something that needed to be attended to.
So he said I will go and fill this script head to where I can get some internet reception and get this work stuff out the way, so as we can do what we want later today and the weekend.
Get on to the repairman and see what time he is coming to fix the washer.

 

[SouthAussie]

So, is Spedding related to these two girls that he allegedly raped? :scared:
A rhetorical question because I know no-one can give me a definitive answer, and I guess we will find out when his court cases are over.

The impression that I am getting from the articles that I am re-reading is that Spedding was living with his brother in law (Hillsley), Hillsley had his parole revoked and was sent back to jail, Spedding is left living in a caravan there, and the two girls are violently raped while sleeping in that caravan with him.
I get the impression Spedding was still living at the same premises, because his lawyer is trying to blame Hillsley for the crimes .. even though he was in prison at the time. Plus the victims who lived with Hillsley, were now with Spedding.

Coupled with the fact that Margaret Spedding tried to influence one of the victims (had her mobile number) and Spedding tried to get one of them to write him a character reference (still knew where to reach her), makes me think that Spedding is perhaps related to them.

Mr Spedding was living with his then brother-in-law, Jeffrey John Hillsley, a few months before the alleged assaults took place.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...r/news-story/e00d1be44cabb66b6dad0629b48e355c

Hillsley, who had been convicted of abducting and indecently assaulting a five-year-old, had lived at home with Spedding's alleged victims in January 1987.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...dering-rapist-court-told-20150614-ghnx8h.html

They allege his wife Margaret, who supported him in court from the public gallery, contacted one of the alleged victims by text shortly after he was arrested and said: “It really saddens me you’re involved in this.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...t/news-story/d041c14a9470950a767ed8ebf4dc0661

Mr Spedding was refused bail at Port Macquarie Local Court in April after the magistrate read court documents alleging he had tried to contact one of his alleged victims and asked them to write a character reference for him.
http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3152988/bill-spedding-related-to-a-murdering-rapist/

 

[papertrail]

Where did it say important?
Maybe it was just something that needed to be attended to.
So he said I will go and fill this script head to where I can get some internet reception and get this work stuff out the way, so as we can do what we want later today and the weekend.
Get on to the repairman and see what time he is coming to fix the washer.

There is a photo if man sitting on back edge of a police can and I believe that is f f and he appears be holding a mobile phone as if he is either speaking hands free or reading or preparing a text. Would he be doing that if there was no reception in benaroon?

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a photo if man sitting on back edge of a police can and I believe that is f f and he appears be holding a mobile phone as if he is either speaking hands free or reading or preparing a text. Would he be doing that if there was no reception in benaroon?

From thread 15, post #446

BBM UBM

Originally Posted by sosocurious

The mobile reception in Kendall is atrocious and William’s dad, a consultant, has to deliver a Skype presentation, so at 9.15am he drives to nearby Lakewood to get a reliable signal.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...1cf55bb05ad25c

 

[frogwell]

So, is Spedding related to these two girls that he allegedly raped? :scared:
A rhetorical question because I know no-one can give me a definitive answer, and I guess we will find out when his court cases are over.

The impression that I am getting from the articles that I am re-reading is that Spedding was living with his brother in law (Hillsley), Hillsley had his parole revoked and was sent back to jail, Spedding is left living in a caravan there, and the two girls are violently raped while sleeping in that caravan with him.
I get the impression Spedding was still living at the same premises, because his lawyer is trying to blame Hillsley for the crimes .. even though he was in prison at the time. Plus the victims who lived with Hillsley, were now with Spedding.

Coupled with the fact that Margaret Spedding tried to influence one of the victims (had her mobile number) and Spedding tried to get one of them to write him a character reference (still knew where to reach her), makes me think that Spedding is perhaps related to them.

Unless you are tongue in cheek, I thought this was all understood by members. Points that are relevant for further exploring back through the thread is why Hillsley's parole was revoked, especially his attitude towards at least one of the victims in BS's current court case. I'm not sure if Hillsley was living there because parole notes talk of him hiding his neices underwear that he stole back at his flat, unless he had a granny flat or caravan on the same property. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Unless you are tongue in cheek, I thought this was all understood by members. Points that are relevant for further exploring back through the thread is why Hillsley's parole was revoked, especially his attitude towards at least one of the victims in BS's current court case. I'm not sure if Hillsley was living there because parole notes talk of him hiding his neices underwear that he stole back at his flat, unless he had a granny flat or caravan on the same property. MOO

Yes, I believe I read that at one time Hillsley may have raped one of the girls, as well. Hence, the revoking of the parole. The article insinuated it was the older girl, I believe.

Not tongue in cheek at all. My recall of this is non-existent. Maybe I was away while this convo happened, if it happened on-thread. Or I completely forgot about it, for some reason.

 

[frogwell]

Yes, I believe I read that at one time Hillsley may have raped one of the girls, as well. The article insinuated it was the older girl, I believe.

Not tongue in cheek at all. My recall of this is non-existent. Maybe I was away while this convo happened, if it happened on-thread. Or I completely forgot about it, for some reason.

Yeah, there's heaps to miss in this case. During the month that Hillsley was released from prison and in contact with his family and BS's alleged victims, this is what he did

"10. He [Hillsley] was released on parole on 19 December 1986. On 29 January 1987, following a report expressing grave concern about the respondent's inappropriate and potentially dangerous behaviour towards young girls, his parole was revoked and he was returned to prison to serve the remainder of his sentence. The respondent had been found in his place of employment on 21 January 1987 with a young girl locked in the toilet in the building. He was interviewed by the probation and parole officer. He stated that nothing had occurred and that everyone was over-reacting. He was interviewed the next day by a medical officer who was of the opinion that the respondent had some unresolved behavioural problems and that he was still focussing his sexual attention on girls of tender years, including his nieces with whom he had some regular contact at his parental home. He had been warned by his father not to take these children into a bedroom prior to the incident in the toilet.

11. While continuing his psychiatric outpatient treatment, he revealed to his doctor that he had taken clothing belonging to his niece which had been stored in a garage under his home unit block. He was later interviewed by the probation and parole officer and questioned about his intent. He stated "It is purely sexual, yes. I would probably have intercourse this time. I was angry at the family for thinking I was doing the wrong thing so I thought I would show them and actually do it".

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si...AND Hillsley

I think point 11. is interesting because the people who were around BS's victims, thought he would/could do something to them, from his own admission. BS's court case will be interesting to see if those same adults told authorities at the time the children's injuries were discovered thaat they had suspicion about their son and brother. If they didn't, I would fall off my horse if I had one.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think point 11. is interesting because the people who were around BS's victims, thought he would/could do something to them, from his own admission. BS's court case will be interesting to see if those same adults told authorities at the time the children's injuries were discovered thaat they had suspicion about their son and brother. If they didn't, I would fall off my horse if I had one.

RSBM

Yes, I definitely got the impression that Hillsley harmed the older girl, at some point in time prior to the revocation of his parole.
The younger girl had documented, extensive bruising when she was examined. Recent bruising. And Hillsley was in prison.
I think the date on the girl's medical report will likely prove that.

Hillsley has not been charged over these allegations.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges

Court documents reveal that the mother and grandmother of the victim recall the three-year-old being greatly troubled by pain in her vagina and telling them that 'Bill did it', according to SMH.

She was 'ill and continually vomiting' the following day and had 'extensive, black coloured bruising to her vagina and legs', according to the Daily Telegraph.

At the time, the child sex assault unit at Westmead Hospital assessed the two children and determined that the three-year-old had been sexually penetrated in a number of ways.

The six-year-old's injuries were also ruled to have been caused by penetration.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-aware-child-abuse-claims-against-him.html