Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Karo]

Do any of you honestly think that the police, with medical evidence and identification of the perp by one of the victims did not persue his conviction because of their worry for the victims tender age? JH was convicted in the earlier 80's against very young girls. Didn't stop the police from persuing him. They didn't persue it cause they thought he did it and was already in jail. Why don't the police want to acknowledge that now? Is that honest? Do any of you think the police would have persued this particular historical case if it wasn't a part of the Wt case? I don't.

I have never thought it was unconnected to William being missing, wondering if it was an attempt to get BS to perhaps make them an offer for information in exchange for dropping the assault charges, a great deal of it makes not much sense. I do think it isn't about defending BS but about examining every aspect of the evidence available to us via media.

 

[SouthAussie]

Do any of you honestly think that the police, with medical evidence and identification of the perp by one of the victims did not persue his conviction because of their worry for the victims tender age? JH was convicted in the earlier 80's against very young girls. Didn't stop the police from persuing him. They didn't persue it cause they thought he did it and was already in jail. Why don't the police want to acknowledge that now? Is that honest? Do any of you think the police would have persued this particular historical case if it wasn't a part of the Wt case? I don't.

BBM Yes. It was how things were at the time.

In reverse, does anyone think that so many historical cases from that time period would have come to light now and in recent years, if the courts/police were aggressively prosecuting these types of cases back then?

 

[Hbayne]

Yes, I think Hbayne has made it clear that anyone who defends BS is making her feel sick. I haven't seen anyone either defending him personally but poking holes in police evidence (maybe) and MSM reporting. MOO

Yep, makes me sick

 

[Karinna]

Yes, I think Hbayne has made it clear that anyone who defends BS is making her feel sick. I haven't seen anyone either defending him personally but poking holes in police evidence (maybe) and MSM reporting. MOO

In another shooting thread i have been following, if the subject is too sensitive for a poster maybe they need to take a break away from it.
And i agree with what you say, no one is defending anyone here, but the truth should come out once and for all, and that will be a matter of waiting for the results of the Trials.

 

[frogwell]

I meant is anyone here saying that due process should not be used? Sorry, I thought I made that clear. Perhaps I should have made that clearer by bolding the part of your post that I was referring to. I will go back and do so.

Well IMO, not in such a direct fashion, but the condoning and approving of police and media tactics that have appeared to me to have denied him natural justice.

 

[frogwell]

Yep, makes me sick

Who has defended BS?

 

[Karinna]

Well IMO, not in such a direct fashion, but the condoning and approving of police and media tactics that have appeared to me to have denied him natural justice.

And could also affect the Trials? I don't know if it will but it might, because there are enough people that have already accused him of being guilty.
I hope for the victims that Justice is served, and the right person/s are convicted. All IMO.

 

[Hbayne]

What would the victims of speddings agenda be, why would they put themselves through this horrific process. Certainly wouldn’t seem for monetary gain. An unemployed washing repairman ain’t going to come up with much.

 

[frogwell]

BBM

With all due respect, is anyone here saying otherwise? I have not read anyone say that he should be processed in any other way. All I am reading is most of us saying that this case would not be before the courts if there was not enough substantial evidence to put the case there. Evidence agreed upon by the prosecutor and the judge(s).

Agreed and substantial arguments and doubt.

 

[Karinna]

I agree with what the Prosecutor stated in the PDF file i posted up earlier, that these horrendous child SA cases are Epedemic. That is definitely a human tragedy for the children. When did the world get so messed up, or was it always that way?

 

[frogwell]

What would the victims of speddings agenda be, why would they put themselves through this horrific process. Certainly wouldn’t seem for monetary gain. An unemployed washing repairman ain’t going to come up with much.

To have the crimes against them acknowledged as real, to have their trust solidified in their mother's and grandmother's accounts of what happened to them confirmed. To have their suffering punished. Again, not fact, you asked for motivation.

 

[SouthAussie]

Well IMO, not in such a direct fashion, but the condoning and approving of police and media tactics that have appeared to me to have denied him natural justice.

I actually cannot see that the police have done anything wrong. The girls want justice, as so many now-adults who were abused as young children do. Nobody is forcing the girls to pursue this historical case. They are not getting a $1,000,000 reward for doing so.

I think the trigger for the case is not so much William Tyrrell (though I will admit that may have some bearing, if the girls suspect he is guilty of William's disappearance, as I do), but the fact that Spedding had access to Margaret's grandchildren. I think these girls may have been very uncomfortable with that, knowing their own experience of living/staying with Spedding. They reported to FACS, and FACS pursued the matter. The grandchildren were removed. imo

Then they took the case further, because they want justice. Women in their 30's have usually finally found themselves, and are confident in their actions, and want to stop these things happening to others. imo


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[sosocurious]

Well IMO, not in such a direct fashion, but the condoning and approving of police and media tactics that have appeared to me to have denied him natural justice.

The police have said nothing about BS historical charges except they are not related to William disappearance. As far as I can recall.

I think BS would be pleased that he has landed a judge only trial and closed court. Not easy to get it seems.
Maybe that is exactly why his family spoke so openly to the media in the beginning..... they had an idea what was coming, but we the public didn't.
After all his facs investigation into his treatment of children was happening by 9 Dec 2014, when the mother of one or all children was contacted by facs and the local Port MacQuarie detectives.
imo

 

[Hbayne]

To have the crimes against them acknowledged as real, to have their trust solidified in their mother's and grandmother's accounts of what happened to them confirmed. To have their suffering punished. Again, not fact, you asked for motivation.

To have their mother and grandmothers blah blah,that’s a backhanded insult on their integrity

 

[frogwell]

I actually cannot see that the police have done anything wrong. The girls want justice, as so many now-adults who were abused as young children do. Nobody is forcing the girls to pursue this historical case. They are not getting a $1,000,000 reward for doing so.

I think the trigger for the case is not so much William Tyrrell (though I will admit that may have some bearing, if the girls suspect he is guilty of William's disappearance, as I do), but the fact that Spedding had access to Margaret's grandchildren. I think these girls may have been very uncomfortable with that, knowing their own experience of living with Spedding. They reported to FACS, and FACS pursued the matter. The grandchildren were removed. imo

Then they took the case further, because they want justice. Women in their 30's have usually finally found themselves, and are confident in their actions, and want to stop these things happening to others. imo

You could be right. I think the trigger was asking for a statement from the victim and I think the victims were strongly pressured, supported by the police. I reckon they were told that if the police prosecuted they would have their back to the hilt. Could be good for them, could save a boys life etc. There is a good chance their vulnerability was manipulated. IMO

 

[frogwell]

To have their mother and grandmothers blah blah,that’s a backhanded insult on their integrity

How rude. Don't ask questions if you don't like the answers. There is logic in what I am saying without denying the victim's truth.

 

[SouthAussie]

To have their mother and grandmothers blah blah,that’s a backhanded insult on their integrity

What I can see here is the integrity of many being questioned. The police, the mum, the grandma, the prosecutor, the judge who accepted the charges and denied Spedding bail, the girls themselves ...... I will leave out the media from my list ... hahaha.

No insult to you, frogwell. But it is how I am reading some of these posts.

I do applaud you for standing up for your convictions. I just cannot agree with them.

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[Karinna]

The police have said nothing about BS historical charges except they are not related to William disappearance. As far as I can recall.

I think BS would be pleased that he has landed a judge only trial and closed court. Not easy to get it seems.
Maybe that is exactly why his family spoke so openly to the media in the beginning..... they had an idea what was coming, but we the public didn't.
After all his facs investigation into his treatment of children was happening by 9 Dec 2014, when the mother of one or all children was contacted by facs and the local Port MacQuarie detectives.
imo

I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a separate Trial thread for Spedding so as not to distract from WT's case?

 

[frogwell]

What I can see here is the integrity of many being questioned. The police, the mum, the grandma, the prosecutor, the judge who accepted the charges and denied Spedding bail, the girls themselves ...... I will leave out the media from my list ... hahaha.

No insult to you, frogwell. But it is how I am reading some of these posts.

I do applaud you for standing up for your convictions. I just cannot agree with them.

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Well their integrity will be questioned in court except for maybe the local court judge in Port Macquarie. I guess what I am intuiting from the forum is that it shouldn't be.

 

[sosocurious]

You could be right. I think the trigger was asking for a statement from the victim and I think the victims were strongly pressured, supported by the police. I reckon they were told that if the police prosecuted they would have their back to the hilt. Could be good for them, could save a boys life etc. There is a good chance their vulnerability was manipulated. IMO

What's that old saying?
An excuse is worse that a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded.

No I think the request for the declaration stating he had not abused the victim when she was a child was manipulating her vulnerability.

imo