Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[sosocurious]

Yes, and none of them were good enough apparently.

Good enough to what, exactly frog?

 

[frogwell]

Good enough to what, exactly frog?

To take custody of William or his sister

 

[SouthAussie]

Doesn't sound at all like harrassment to me. Sounds like someone has informed on Karlie, due to the welfare of the two children in her care.

Police cannot just go in and conduct a search without just cause. And they certainly do not have time to follow her around looking for 'petty crimes' to bust her for. These are west Sydney police. They have enough other trouble to keep up with.

 

[sosocurious]

To take custody of William or his sister

So why are they attacking the foster parents. They were good enough. Committed and loving and took both children in to their home so as to keep the two siblings together.

Yet we have heard nothing but negative comments.
They won't let William eat chocolate. They can afford to go on holidays, do extensions ....blah, blah

We would have no idea about any of Karlie's or Brendan's past or current crimes if it were not for that primal connection.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Aunty FACS.


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You would think if she is going to blame them on national TV for William's disappearance, she would want to keep her other two children out of Aunty's care. Perhaps lead a drug-free, police-confrontation-free life?

 

[papertrail]

Could the SN interview be part of police covert strategy...see who gets talking behind the scene

 

[frogwell]

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/can_you_help_us/rewards/1000000_reward/$1_million_nsw_government_reward_announced_for_the_return_on_william_tyrrell

Strike Force Rosann is one of the largest investigations ever undertaken by the NSW Police Force, and involves a team of full time investigators and analysts. In addition, they regularly consult with the NSW Police Force’s Senior Forensic Psychologist.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/criminal-history-not-a-barrier-to-joining-nsw-police/5351172

Corruption and Misconduct Still Pervade the NSW Police Force
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/.../corruption-and-misconduct-still-pervad...

the Wood Royal Commission, 10 years on | Australian Police
https://www.australianpolice.com.au/the-wood-royal-commission-10-years-on/

I could post articles all day under NSW police corruption....

This is a huge case that involves a number of government departments and the harnessing of the media to lead the investigation...

KT isn't a nobody to NSW police, and I think my questions around this new developement are fair. MOO

 

[papertrail]

“They we’re responsible and they failed”

I fully understand how she feels.
Who’s to say William might be still alive and surviving if he wasn’t removed.
I understand how she feels.
IF ONLY I.
IF ONLY THEY.
She’s would feel all the levels of grief. Anger is one.
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Revolving doors.


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You would think if she is going to blame them on national TV for William's disappearance, she would want to keep her other two children out of Aunty's care. Perhaps lead a drug-free, police-confrontation-free life?

She has one person to blame for the reason why her 2 children were placed into care....one person only...that image she will see in her mirror will give her that answer.

 

[frogwell]

So why are they attacking the foster parents. They were good enough. Committed and loving and took both children in to their home so as to keep the two siblings together.

Yet we have heard nothing but negative comments.
They won't let William eat chocolate. They can afford to go on holidays, do extensions ....blah, blah

We would have no idea about any of Karlie's or Brendan's past or current crimes if it were not for that primal connection.
imo

Because they have no explanation for where her son has disappeared to in their care, because they have used her name and allowed themselves to be portrayed as his parents etc., and the negative comments came from NC not KT.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is there any parent on this thread that can honestly say that they have never let their 3 year old out of their sight, in what most/all people would consider a safe, home environment, for 15 mins or less?

If William had fallen from a tree and broken his arm in that situation, it would be considered an accident. If he had overbalanced on the front concrete steps and broken his collar bone, as my 3-year old niece did when no-one was watching her for a few minutes, it would be considered an accident.

Because some evil, sick person apparently abducted him, in that situation, somehow someone else other than/as well as the abductor is to blame.

To me, that is like blaming Elizabeth Smart’s sleeping parents, who were in the same home but not watching her while she slept, for an intruder stealing Elizabeth and brutalising her for months.



Maybe Elizabeth Smart wouldn't have spent "nine months in hell" if her mother hadn't burned the potatoes.

Maybe she wouldn't have been stolen in the night if she and her father had closed the kitchen window and set the alarm as they made their nightly rounds after family prayers.

And maybe her ordeal wouldn't have lasted so long if somebody -- anybody -- had just spoken up .....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/16/elizabeth.smart.near.miss/index.html

 

[frogwell]

Is there any parent on this thread that can honestly say that they have never let their 3 year old out of their sight, in what most/all people would consider a safe, home environment, for 15 mins or less?

If William had fallen from a tree and broken his arm in that situation, it would be considered an accident.

Because some evil, sick person apparently abducted him, in that situation, somehow someone else other than/as well as the abductor is to blame.

To me, that is like blaming Elizabeth Smart’s sleeping parents, who were in the same home but not watching her while she slept, for an intruder stealing Elizabeth and brutalising her for months.



Maybe Elizabeth Smart wouldn't have spent "nine months in hell" if her mother hadn't burned the potatoes.

Maybe she wouldn't have been stolen in the night if she and her father had closed the kitchen window and set the alarm as they made their nightly rounds after family prayers.

And maybe her ordeal wouldn't have lasted so long if somebody -- anybody -- had just spoken up .....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/16/elizabeth.smart.near.miss/index.html

Can anyone on here honestly say, that if a lovely north shore couple were minding their child and they suddenly disappeared without explanation in a tiny window frame, and there was no lead for over 3 years, and all authorities wanted you to shut up and make nice that you wouldn't lose your mind?

 

[georgy girl]

If ever I needed a 'love' reaction button here, this is it. Great post!

Is there any parent on this thread that can <u>honestly</u> say that they have never let their 3 year old out of their sight, in what most/all people would consider a safe, home environment, for 15 mins or less?<br />
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If William had fallen from a tree and broken his arm in that situation, it would be considered an accident. If he had overbalanced on the front concrete steps and broken his collar bone, as my 3-year old niece did when no-one was watching her for a few minutes, it would be considered an accident.<br />
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Because some evil, sick person apparently abducted him, in that situation, somehow someone else other than/as well as the abductor is to blame.<br />
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To me, that is like blaming Elizabeth Smart’s sleeping parents, who were in the same home but not watching her while she slept, for an intruder stealing Elizabeth and brutalising her for months.<br />
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<i>Maybe Elizabeth Smart wouldn't have spent &quot;nine months in hell&quot; if her mother hadn't burned the potatoes.<br />
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Maybe she wouldn't have been stolen in the night if she and her father had closed the kitchen window and set the alarm as they made their nightly rounds after family prayers.<br />
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And maybe her ordeal wouldn't have lasted so long if somebody -- anybody -- had just spoken up .....<br />
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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/16/elizabeth.smart.near.miss/index.html</i>

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[1968]

Is there any parent on this thread that can honestly say that they have never let their 3 year old out of their sight, in what most/all people would consider a safe, home environment, for 15 mins or less?

If William had fallen from a tree and broken his arm in that situation, it would be considered an accident. If he had overbalanced on the front concrete steps and broken his collar bone, as my 3-year old niece did when no-one was watching her for a few minutes, it would be considered an accident.

Because some evil, sick person apparently abducted him, in that situation, somehow someone else other than/as well as the abductor is to blame.

To me, that is like blaming Elizabeth Smart’s sleeping parents, who were in the same home but not watching her while she slept, for an intruder stealing Elizabeth and brutalising her for months.



Maybe Elizabeth Smart wouldn't have spent "nine months in hell" if her mother hadn't burned the potatoes.

Maybe she wouldn't have been stolen in the night if she and her father had closed the kitchen window and set the alarm as they made their nightly rounds after family prayers.

And maybe her ordeal wouldn't have lasted so long if somebody -- anybody -- had just spoken up .....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/16/elizabeth.smart.near.miss/index.html

Well said


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[SouthAussie]

Can anyone on here honestly say, that if a lovely north shore couple were minding their child and they suddenly disappeared without explanation in a tiny window frame, and there was no lead for over 3 years, and all authorities wanted you to shut up and make nice that you wouldn't lose your mind?

I think that applies to both sets of parents, don't you? But that their reactions are very different.

And it makes me wonder, had Karlie lost her mind when she had her first two children removed?

 

[sosocurious]

Because they have no explanation for where her son has disappeared to in their care, because they have used her name and allowed themselves to be portrayed as his parents etc., and the negative comments came from NC not KT.

Frog I feel you are being a little bit harsh.
Kids play in backyards all the time and no one ever has their eye on their child every single minute of every day.
We are taking minutes not hours here.
At what age is it OK to let your kids explore a little?
Who really sits at their mothers house having a chat and a cuppa while the kids run around playing and expects that someone will grab them in minutes.
In as far as them calling themselves Mum and Dad - that is what William called them. They were Williams mummy and daddy as far as he was concerned. They had provided love, home and stability.
No there has been nothing from Karlie she was not ready to speak when the orders allowed she could .... as I recall.
It is a real shame that with that contract to seven, she has now decided to speak. Before it could even be aired, she finds herself in court yet again.

It is all just too sad. Where is William bring him home.
imo

 

[frogwell]

I think that applies to both sets of parents, don't you? But that their reactions are very different.

And it makes me wonder, had Karlie lost her mind when she had her first two children removed?

I think you make a good point but I don't know. They have all been cleared. If you doubt that is the case with one, then I guess you have to apply that to the other side as well. There seems to me to be something intrinsically unfair about this dynamic but I will have to think about it long and hard to what it actually is. "It's the constitution, it's the vibe of the thing.." MOO

 

[frogwell]

Frog I feel you are being a little bit harsh.
Kids play in backyards all the time and no one ever has their eye on their child every single minute of every day.
We are taking minutes not hours here.
At what age is it OK to let your kids explore a little?
Who really sits at their mothers house having a chat and a cuppa while the kids run around playing and expects that someone will grab them in minutes.
In as far as them calling themselves Mum and Dad - that is what William called them. They were Williams mummy and daddy as far as he was concerned. They had provided love, home and stability.
No there has been nothing from Karlie she was not ready to speak when the orders allowed she could .... as I recall.
It is a real shame that with that contract to seven, she has now decided to speak. Before it could even be aired, she finds herself in court yet again.

It is all just too sad. Where is William bring him home.
imo

I understand that and within TOS, this is the way things stand. Everyone can relate to the examples members give but I cannot accept that other priorities have taken consideration in a suspected homicide and avenues of potential leads from the public have been taken off the table by the assessment of one member of the NSW police force. IMO

 

[papertrail]

I think that applies to both sets of parents, don't you? But that their reactions are very different.

And it makes me wonder, had Karlie lost her mind when she had her first two children removed?

well she had 2 more children in very quick succession didn't she? perhaps she had to ensure she received the same amount of welfare payments.

 

[SouthAussie]

well she had 2 more children in very quick succession didn't she? perhaps she had to ensure she received the same amount of welfare payments.

And perhaps she has a mental impairment of some kind. We do not know. Some of her behaviour has been very unusual, to say the least.

It may have contributed to her being unable to properly care for her first two children, it may have contributed to her blaming others for her predicament, it may have contributed to her choice of partner, it may have contributed to her recent actions, it may have contributed to the evident reports from others that she is not doing things right by her children ... it also may have contributed to her allowing Alana Pearl Smith to take over portions of Karlie's private business, thereby allowing Karlie to be named as William's biological mother.

It is all well and good to view Karlie from our own perspective, I have done it myself in the past, but now I am starting to wonder if there is not something chemically, biologically out of whack with her physical/mental being. Something that does not allow her to conduct herself as most would feel is an obvious way to retain custody of her youngest two children.

She seems to be sliding down a slippery slope, as far as that is concerned. And may be putting herself as a target for that result. Surely, someone with all their faculties in order could see that?

.

 

[frogwell]

well she had 2 more children in very quick succession didn't she? perhaps she had to ensure she received the same amount of welfare payments.

That is a disgraceful comment. This case really seems to be running along stereotypes and prejudice, and it works. I grew up on the north shore and I can't tell you how many of my friends lovely parents used to smoke pot, and neglect their kids due to workaholism, alcoholism, prescription pill addiction, embezzle, commit fraud, flash at people when they went for a jog after dinner, try it on with their neighbors kids etc, etc, there is just more money to hide it.