Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[louisepiglet]

That is a disgraceful comment. This case really seems to be running along stereotypes and prejudice, and it works. I grew up on the north shore and I can't tell you how many of my friends lovely parents used to smoke pot, and neglect their kids due to workaholism, alcoholism, prescription pill addiction, embezzle, commit fraud, flash at people when they went for a jog after dinner, try it on with their neighbors kids etc, etc, there is just more money to hide it.

Well I am pretty sure that workaholism does not come into it in KTs family.

 

[sosocurious]

And perhaps she has a mental impairment of some kind. We do not know. Some of her behaviour has been very unusual, to say the least.

It may have contributed to her being unable to properly care for her first two children, it may have contributed to her blaming others for her predicament, it may have contributed to her choice of partner, it may have contributed to her recent actions, it may have contributed to the evident reports from others that she is not doing things right by her children ... it also may have contributed to her allowing Alana Pearl Smith to take over portions of Karlie's private business, thereby allowing Karlie to be named as William's biological mother.

I am not suggesting for one moment that KT has any such condition.

But the mental health aspect is worth consideration

Women with bipolar disorder may become unwell during pregnancy but are at a particularly high risk of becoming ill following childbirth.
Both manic and depressive episodes occur at this time and can be severe. Mood symptoms – elation, irritability and depression are common and, psychotic symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations can occur.

https://www.app-network.org/wp-cont..._uk_bipolar_disorder_pregnancy_childbirth.pdf

 

[frogwell]

And perhaps she has a mental impairment of some kind. We do not know. Some of her behaviour has been very unusual, to say the least.

It may have contributed to her being unable to properly care for her first two children, it may have contributed to her blaming others for her predicament, it may have contributed to her choice of partner, it may have contributed to her recent actions, it may have contributed to the evident reports from others that she is not doing things right by her children ... it also may have contributed to her allowing Alana Pearl Smith to take over portions of Karlie's private business, thereby allowing Karlie to be named as William's biological mother.

I think there are a few assumptions in your post such as "evident reports.... children", and the one about APS, as has been explained before on this forum previously. Karlie was made aware of the discomfort she could experience but I don't think she could anticipate how stitched up this game is. No one seems to care about that angle of things but make no mistake that if you ***** with a government department agenda, they will rain hell down upon you, so it's your fault if you chose it. IMO

 

[louisepiglet]

That is a disgraceful comment. This case really seems to be running along stereotypes and prejudice, and it works. I grew up on the north shore and I can't tell you how many of my friends lovely parents used to smoke pot, and neglect their kids due to workaholism, alcoholism, prescription pill addiction, embezzle, commit fraud, flash at people when they went for a jog after dinner, try it on with their neighbors kids etc, etc, there is just more money to hide it.

You may think this is a disgraceful comment but unfortunately it is a fact that welfare dependancy runs in families. KTs family appears to suffer from this. As can be seen by some comments on social media there are some groups who see no problem in KTs past behaviours and this too is a worry.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think there are a few assumptions in your post such as "evident reports.... children", and the one about APS, as has been explained before on this forum previously. Karlie was made aware of the discomfort she could experience but I don't think she could anticipate how stitched up this game is. No one seems to care about that angle of things but make no mistake that if you ***** with a government department agenda, they will rain hell down upon you, so it's your fault if you chose it. IMO

It seems evident, to me, that Karlie's children were removed due to initial reports from others about her children being at risk, is what I meant. With usual follow up and assistance offered, and ongoing monitoring.

I don't believe the police have time to harrass Karlie, just respond to reports.

I believe that Alana Pearl Smith should keep her nose out of others affairs, stick to her own business. If it was her own personal business, then that would be different. She is playing with other people's lives. As you say, Karlie likely had no idea the consequences she could suffer through this exposure. Least of all, the high media profile.

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[papertrail]

In between periods of homelessness, Collins has stayed in the spare room of the home occupied by Karlie and the former couple’s two children, who are the younger siblings of William.
He was arrested 17 Nov 2017 Granville South - 18 Dec 2017 - Blacktown and the 15 Jan 2018 at Sydney CBD.
But he had been staying at Westmead in Karlies spare room in between periods of homelessness.
But Natalie said he was staying with her mother, and she could not believe all the stolen stuff she found in his room when she cleaned it out. Not sure if that was at Mum's or Natalie's place.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...13defba733d0d3005eeefed23a07d7?from=rss-basic

This article mentions Brendan has stayed in a spare room at Kylies place with William's 2 other younger siblings. If this is correct it leaves me dumbfounded. The reason this couples 2 other children William and his older sister were removed into care was due to their parent's inability to adhere to strict provisions ie not to associate. And now it seems she has had the children living in the company of someone that has displayed violent tendencies and drug taking yet once again. Absolutely no sympathy from me to whatever the sentencing outcome for either parent is. These 2 other children are obviously in need of a supporting loving caring environment. Shame shame shame.

 

[frogwell]

It seems evident, to me, that Karlie's children were removed due to reports from others about her children being at risk, is what I meant.

I don't believe the police have time to harrass Karlie, just respond to reports.

I believe that Alana Pearl Smith should keep her nose out of others affairs, stick to her own business. If it was her own personal business, then that would be different. She is playing with other people's lives. As you say, Karlie likely had no idea the consequences she could suffer through this exposure. Least of all, the high media profile.

Who would know that when you state the truth on social media and get demanded to retract it, and quite lawfully you don't, you would be playing with someone else's life. I know who I feel angry with here and it isn't APS. Thanks for the clarity on the other statements.

 

[papertrail]

I am not suggesting for one moment that KT has any such condition.

But the mental health aspect is worth consideration

Women with bipolar disorder may become unwell during pregnancy but are at a particularly high risk of becoming ill following childbirth.
Both manic and depressive episodes occur at this time and can be severe. Mood symptoms – elation, irritability and depression are common and, psychotic symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations can occur.

https://www.app-network.org/wp-cont..._uk_bipolar_disorder_pregnancy_childbirth.pdf

And then there is the effect of illicit drugs.

 

[SouthAussie]

Who would know that when you state the truth on social media and get demanded to retract it, and quite lawfully you don't, you would be playing with someone else's life. I know who I feel angry with here and it isn't APS. Thanks for the clarity on the other statements.

I don't feel anger at Alana Pearl Smith, I feel impatience. I feel that she is a product of her own childhood with issues of her own. She has let those issues overflow into someone else's business.

I feel sad for Karlie that she has been led into this quagmire, that she was contacted by Alana Pearl Smith. In my opinion, it is not what Karlie needs. She requires calming, and understanding, and the reinforced direction of taking care of her two young children without distraction. They are growing up quickly, and need as normal a childhood as possible.

Let the police do the best job that they can of getting to the bottom of William's demise. Take care of those two boys that need their mum's undivided love and attention. That, to me, is what Karlie needs help with.

 

[they'll get you]

I’m feeling a little suspicious with the media ramping up interest in this.

Anyone else noticing this?
Usually before an arrest the media zero in on the suspect but in this case there are so many players it’s still hard to pick the one that’s going down.

Ol’ Bill is being kept busy but now the focus is shifting on TJ and KT of late.




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[frogwell]

And perhaps she has a mental impairment of some kind. We do not know. Some of her behaviour has been very unusual, to say the least.

It may have contributed to her being unable to properly care for her first two children, it may have contributed to her blaming others for her predicament, it may have contributed to her choice of partner, it may have contributed to her recent actions, it may have contributed to the evident reports from others that she is not doing things right by her children ... it also may have contributed to her allowing Alana Pearl Smith to take over portions of Karlie's private business, thereby allowing Karlie to be named as William's biological mother.

It is all well and good to view Karlie from our own perspective, I have done it myself in the past, but now I am starting to wonder if there is not something chemically, biologically out of whack with her physical/mental being. Something that does not allow her to conduct herself as most would feel is an obvious way to retain custody of her youngest two children.

She seems to be sliding down a slippery slope, as far as that is concerned. And may be putting herself as a target for that result. Surely, someone with all their faculties in order could see that?

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Or perhaps she just experiences shocking grief or what is known as empty arms when a child is no longer there.

 

[sosocurious]

I’m feeling a little suspicious with the media ramping up interest in this.

Anyone else noticing this?
Usually before an arrest the media zero in on the suspect but in this case there are so many players it’s still hard to pick the one that’s going down.

Ol’ Bill is being kept busy but now the focus is shifting on TJ and KT of late.




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Yes the media focus has certainly been shared around.
BS a week into his trial - another 3 or 4 weeks to go.
We haven't heard much about PB or DN for a while - wonder if they are still on the poi list?

 

[SouthAussie]

Or perhaps she just experiences shocking grief or what is known as empty arms when a child is no longer there.

Perhaps.

To me, the difference in reaction between the two sets of parents is striking. One becomes an ambassador for Bravehearts and immerses themselves in recovery, helping others, and taking care of their young daughter - the other turns to baggies and abusing police, and in Brendan's case - other criminal acts.

I am trying to give Karlie a pass by considering the extraordinary behaviour, while she still is responsible for the care of two young ones, and has had two prior children removed because they were at risk, as being some kind of mental disturbance that she may have suffered for years.

But, as someone else has mentioned, mental impairment could be explained by ongoing, illicit drug use as well.
There is something that caused the first two children to be removed, from both parents. And drug use has been mentioned in this regard. There is a big picture here. Not only the disappearance of William.

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[sosocurious]

Perhaps.

To me, the difference in reaction between the two sets of parents is striking. One becomes an ambassador for Bravehearts and immerses themselves in recovery, helping others, and taking care of their young daughter - the other turns to baggies and abusing police, and in Brendan's case - other criminal acts.

I am trying to give Karlie a pass by considering the extraordinary behaviour, while she still is responsible for the care of two young ones, and has had two prior children removed because they were at risk, as being some kind of mental disturbance that she may have suffered for years.

But, as someone else has mentioned, mental impairment could be explained by ongong, illicit drug use as well.
There is something that caused the first two children to be removed. There is a big picture here. Not only the disappearance of William.

Yes I agree - something a miss long before William was abducted.
Facs do not remove children just because they don't like someone as NC suggested.
No, there is a back story that we may never hear.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m feeling a little suspicious with the media ramping up interest in this.

Anyone else noticing this?
Usually before an arrest the media zero in on the suspect but in this case there are so many players it’s still hard to pick the one that’s going down.

Ol’ Bill is being kept busy but now the focus is shifting on TJ and KT of late.




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They are certainly working at keeping all the players, that they are able to, in the media, as much as they can.

Is it a police strategy? To keep the pressure on someone(s)? Let them know that this matter is not going to go away.

 

[sosocurious]

They are certainly working at keeping all the players, that they are able to, in the media, as much as they can.

Is it a police strategy? To keep the pressure on someone(s)? Let them know that this matter is not going to go away.

AJ's family are not letting PB be forgotten.

 

[they'll get you]

They are certainly working at keeping all the players, that they are able to, in the media, as much as they can.

Is it a police strategy? To keep the pressure on someone(s)? Let them know that this matter is not going to go away.

My feeling is the heat is being turned up hoping someone will either blab or confess.






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[they'll get you]

How hard would it be for our wonderful boyz in blue.

If they pounce and grab a suspect then William might either perish alone where he is or the ‘carer’ could panic and kill him.

It’s a tightrope the cops are walking when LE might believe William is long dead but what IF that slimmest chance he IS alive.


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[Coldpizza]

Please continue here for William:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-31&p=13954715#post13954715