Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #31

[Josie2014]

Not everyone shares the same opinion, but I have faith in the dogs who followed his scent to the edge of the road. Not only did they indicate he was there, but they also indicated he was abducted imo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

i find it incomprehensible until Williams found how anybody is off the table in the police eyes.
but I understand that websleuths wont discuss them and the reasons why.
especially if there is nothing to hide I cant see why its not ok to be able to discredit falsehoods about them etc. because if that's the case that's what we shall find.
anyway I just wanted to add I can see the suspicious thoughts about the time stamps and the validation of the picture on the verandah but in all honesty if there was aconspiracy this length is totally unnecessary.

if my child was missing and he was wearing a spiderman suit the same as "a picture from his birthday" six months ago , I would give it to police and I would state that it was from a previous time. there is simply no reason to make a photo on that day suddenly appear that is misleading.
its not that big of a deal to the police when the picture was taken imho.

so don't think they would NEED to doctor it. (for a cover up which is I guess the posters point)

bbm

If "little man" Deorr K.'s mother/father - for example - had behaved and done what we know from this case - I never had believed the responsible parent and I would have asked why one did a photo shooting exactly before the disappearance (when the object was "roaring", how concordant). Or why was there a back and forth with a washing machine repair man. Or why was there someone arriving at an airport for visit. Or why would one arrive too early as a surprise to an old ill grandma with after all 4 persons but then had to do important business the next morning. Or, or, or.

But I don't ask. All okay for now.

 

[sosocurious]

It is very lucky that the picture was taken just prior to WT's disappearance. If the photo had not been taken, no one outside of the family, would have been able to vouch for him being there on that morning except for the people who were at 48 Benaroon Drive that morning. It would have added many other layers to the investigation in the public domain. I agree, police wouldn't be expecting a picture but it seems to me that picture has afforded them a world of protection that would not be have been given to them if it didn't exist. In fact, it is extraordinary to me that there is probably phone pings and data to track from the online meeting, a photo just before WT disappeared, Thank heavens for tech. IMO

A sister that can speak.
Kids are so innocent and they just say it how it is..imo

 

[frogwell]

I think that would apply for many people, and children with their parents, in this country. Nobody else seeing them prior to 10:30 in the morning.

Heck, I have days when I don't see another soul sometimes, except my dog. Goodness knows what people would think if I suddenly disappeared from the roadside/garden on one of those days. That my dog did it?

You are right, it would apply to a lot of other people, but with older children, on a Friday morning in term time, they would be expected at school, daycare or the possibility of them being seen by neighbors, service people etc. If a baby went missing, well nobody's going to look too far from home if it can't move itself around independantly, if the missing person was another adult, much more time would pass before the person is considered missing, but a child around WT's age and in his circumstances (away from his hometown, visiting) everything about him has to be communicated to others by adults.

 

[SouthAussie]

You are right, it would apply to a lot of other people, but with older children, on a Friday morning in term time, they would be expected at school, daycare or the possibility of them being seen by neighbors, service people etc. If a baby went missing, well nobody's going to look too far from home if it can't move itself around independantly, if the missing person was another adult, much more time would pass before the person is considered missing, but a child around WT's age and in his circumstances (away from his hometown, visiting) everything about him has to be communicated to others by adults.

Yes, it does. But it would be treated as if he was entirely on his own that morning, by the investigating police. They would find out where everyone was, and verify that as best they could. The focus would have been on the last people (other than the abductor) to see him initially. Then they would have worked outwards from there.

That is why the parents would have been the first ones to be cleared.

The police always work from the inside, the people closest at the time, then outwards.

 

[frogwell]

Not everyone shares the same opinion, but I have faith in the dogs who followed his scent to the edge of the road. Not only did they indicate he was there, but they also indicated he was abducted imo

His scent was not found beyond the boundaries of the property.... doesn't mean it was found inside the boundaries of the property.

 

[frogwell]

Yes, it does. But it would be treated as if he was entirely on his own that morning, by the investigating police. They would find out where everyone was, and verify that as best they could. The focus would have been on the last people (other than the abductor) to see him initially. Then they would have worked outwards from there.

That is why the parents would have been the first ones to be cleared.

The police always work from the inside, the people closest at the time, then outwards.

Sure, and I understand that they are not running the investigation for our benefit but after 3 years we still don't know where the FM, FGM, sister or WT was exactly when he went missing from that property, from MSM. The story has changed several times. Most of us put that down to reporting but when do we say, hey the people their account of what happened that morning have changed their story? Maybe if I ever follow a case like this again I will see how common practice it is for journos to keep going back and reediting their stories and changing facts or removing them altogether. IMO

 

[Josie2014]

Not that they probably needed more evidence he was there, but there would be plenty in the house with his dna on it, food scraps, maybe a cup, the bathroom taps, hair in the bed, a hand print on the glass sliding door which 3yr olds are renowned for? Being no expert I don't know if freshness or lack of freshness of samples is picked up.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sure, and I understand that they are not running the investigation for our benefit but after 3 years we still don't know where the FM, FGM, sister or WT was exactly when he went missing from that property, from MSM. IMP

I know how frustrating that is. But the police know, and that is what is important. I feel we need to have a measure of trust that they know how to run an investigation.

 

[SouthAussie]

Not that they probably needed more evidence he was there, but there would be plenty in the house with his dna on it, food scraps, maybe a cup, the bathroom taps, hair in the bed, a hand print on the glass sliding door which 3yr olds are renowned for? Being no expert I don't know if freshness or lack of freshness of samples is picked up.

The sheets/pillowcase/towels were probably washed since he was there, earlier that year. His eating utensils were likely washed since he was last there, as well. So anything new on them, should be fresh. imo

No matter how ill grandma had been. And we don't know the measure of her illness, a lot of it could have been depression and sadness because she had just lost her husband. She likely still was able to manage a certain amount of housework, at least the basics. If not, perhaps a person came in to help with that.

 

[frogwell]

Not that they probably needed more evidence he was there, but there would be plenty in the house with his dna on it, food scraps, maybe a cup, the bathroom taps, hair in the bed, a hand print on the glass sliding door which 3yr olds are renowned for? Being no expert I don't know if freshness or lack of freshness of samples is picked up.

Well if FM didn't remember any strange cars until the 1st evening and they are going along with the police idea that he may have wanderd into the bush, at what point did police begin to investigate the house for a missing child, not lost child. What by mid-afternoon on the 1st day aroused police's supicion that something more sinister may have happened and informed detectives of their concerns.

 

[louisepiglet]

Sure, and I understand that they are not running the investigation for our benefit but after 3 years we still don't know where the FM, FGM, sister or WT was exactly when he went missing from that property, from MSM. The story has changed several times. Most of us put that down to reporting but when do we say, hey the people their account of what happened that morning have changed their story? Maybe if I ever follow a case like this again I will see how common practice it is for journos to keep going back and reediting their stories and changing facts or removing them altogether. IMO

I find Websleuths very frustrating in this respect. MSM often gets things wrong or different versions of the story from different media outlets. I think we can learn more from other sources that we not allowed to quote from.

 

[SouthAussie]

I find Websleuths very frustrating in this respect. MSM often gets things wrong or different versions of the story from different media outlets. I think we can learn more from other sources that we not allowed to quote from.

I think we sometimes hear a lot of untruths and people who bring their own issues to the forefront in those other sources. Some people seem to have difficulty differentiating between the truth and elaborations and opinions in those places. Hence the term "rumours take legs".

I have a friend who always says 'must be true, I read it on FB' (he is joking, but he thinks that too many people think that).

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[Credulious]

I guess only police know what time FGM rang in the morning that were not on the BS log files. Call times?

Were they the only calls deleted? Were the calls deleted ONLY the morning of FGM on BS log files?

September 12, 2014 was a Friday and it was after 10am that William was in his Spider-Man suit playing on the porch of the house on Benaroon Drive, Kendall as his foster mother and grandmother watched on.

Natalie said she was told that the grandmother went inside for a cup of tea, “and then he was gone”.

Police say William began a game, running around the back of the house underneath the balcony to hide.

By 10.30am William’s foster mother realised William was missing; neighbours helped in a search for him.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

Source: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[Credulious]

Games under the balcony conflicts with the front drive abduction theory.

source:http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[SouthAussie]

Games under the balcony conflicts with the front drive abduction theory.

RSBM


Although we haven’t been told conclusively, I think the sniffer dogs were able to outline where, and where not, William had been in the yard that morning.


Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.
https://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/latest-news/spiderman-found-in-search-for-william-6771


And Jubes' narrative seems to say that William may have been right down by the road ...

“You are here,” he says as we look up through trees to the house, “and you see a three-year-old kid in a Spider-Man suit on the road and there’s no one else around. What do you do?” It’s pretty easy to establish a rapport with a little boy. G’day Spider-Man. How are you going? Where’s your mum?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078


This Australian article ^^^^ is particularly good for revealing some of the police thoughts/deductions. It is presented in a casual manner, but I believe there is a lot there to take in, both at face value and between the lines. I frequently go back to this article for all the info it contains.

 

[frogwell]

RSBM


Although we haven’t been told conclusively, I think the sniffer dogs were able to outline where, and where not, William had been in the yard that morning.


Police dogs were brought in and they managed to find William’s scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.
https://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/latest-news/spiderman-found-in-search-for-william-6771


And Jubes' narrative seems to say that William may have been right down by the road ...

“You are here,” he says as we look up through trees to the house, “and you see a three-year-old kid in a Spider-Man suit on the road and there’s no one else around. What do you do?” It’s pretty easy to establish a rapport with a little boy. G’day Spider-Man. How are you going? Where’s your mum?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078


This Australian article ^^^^ is particularly good for revealing some of the police thoughts/deductions. It is presented in a casual manner, but I believe there is a lot there to take in, both at face value and between the lines. I frequently go back to this article for all the info it contains.

Missing William Tyrell could not have survived alone in bush: police
www.smh.com.au › News › NSW News
Sep 17, 2014 - Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted. The Sex Crimes Squad and investigators with expertise in unexplained disappearances of young children joined a team of 30 investigators on Tuesday. Police are examining possible sightings from as far .

Sorry, but I trust this source as opposed to Now to Love

 

[SouthAussie]

Missing William Tyrell could not have survived alone in bush: police
www.smh.com.au › News › NSW News
Sep 17, 2014 - Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted. The Sex Crimes Squad and investigators with expertise in unexplained disappearances of young children joined a team of 30 investigators on Tuesday. Police are examining possible sightings from as far .

Sorry, but I trust this source as opposed to Now to Love

You trust an MSM source??! :scared:

(Just joking ... it is morning, and this thread has been too tense of late. I was a bit lazy in not looking for a better source to say what I have read in other places.)

 

[frogwell]

You trust an MSM source??! :scared:

(Just joking ... it is morning, and this thread has been too tense of late. I was a bit lazy in not looking for a better source to say what I have read in other places.)

lol. I trust it more than the other.

 

[SouthAussie]

lol. I trust it more than the other.

Okay, is this link a little better? Your own post.Thread 27, post 390, 18/9/17.

Originally Posted by frogwell

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1513862/missing-15-hours-who-found-tyler-asks-his-mum/

I find it just as odd as you Karinna, and the 1st articles all said, no scent was detected. full stop. They specified "beyond the boundaries" later. Having said that the above article is relevant I think.

The above article is about a two year old child who went missing on just the other side of Middle Brother forest in 2013. They used the dogs that day too and didn't find him. He was located 15 hours later, 200m away from where he disappeared by volunteers. So I found that story interesting, because of the location and the year it happened to highlight that the dogs don't always find them when they are right there. For what reasons, I don't know. Where he was found is in other articles I haven't linked to. The only other thing it makes me query is if this child's disappearance was due to human intervention and then he was returned in the dark. I've kept my mind open on this to see if it is related to Wt's case, and the coincidence that the dogs and police did not find the child. In this instance the search was called off, but volunteers persisted. MOO