Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #31

[Credulious]

William was wearing sandals like these ones, when he disappeared. I imagine that they were on and off his little feet as he played on his bike and climbed a tree, then came back into the house.

I am not going to try to address your photo question or sunlight queries, as we have discussed this all in previous threads, and I personally feel quite satisfied with the conclusions. I also see absolutely no reason for anyone to lie about the photos. We know (independently) that the children were in Kendall that morning, they were heard playing outside by the next door neighbour.

The other children nearby on the street were in school. Retirees/older persons lived in other close-by houses, and one set of direct neighbours were away.

So we can completely discount the whole possibility of photo backdating now. All disproved.

The image is true and no need discuss photo faking anymore. Anyone brings it up again, we say nah. Don't even go there.

So people shouldn't be discussing it again.

 

[Whàngarei]

Clear your messages out please. cant respond

 

[Credulious]

Theres two decks (verandahs).where the pic was taken is a back deck (verandah) theres a door under the carport into the house theres two doors from the back deck into house ....a set of steps down from back deck to grass

Source: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...d/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

 

[SouthAussie]

So we can completely discount the whole possibility of photo backdating now. All disproved.

The image is true and need discuss photo faking anymore. Anyone brings it up again, we say nah. Don't even go there.

So people shouldn't be discussing it again.

I think many of us have been trying to say that over the last few pages, and the mods have asked us repeatedly to not point fingers at any of the cleared parents. I truly cannot see any reason why anyone would be questioning the photo, if that is not what they were insinuating. Nobody has yet provided any other reason for the questions.
Except frogwell said if we can't believe the photo, the case is unsolvable. Which I completely disagree with.

 

[Credulious]

I think many of us have been trying to say that over the last few pages, and the mods have asked us repeatedly to not point fingers at any of the cleared parents. I truly cannot see any reason why anyone would be questioning the photo, if that is not what they were insinuating. Nobody has yet provided any other reason the questions.
Except frogwell said if we can't believe the photo, the case is unsolvable. Which I completely disagree with.

Me neither, which is why we disproved it and told people to stop talking about it

We have just proved the image is credible, and we believe the photo

 

[JLZ]

I hope we don't break the ignore button with simultaneous overuse.

 

[frogwell]

I think many of us have been trying to say that over the last few pages, and the mods have asked us repeatedly to not point fingers at any of the cleared parents. I truly cannot see any reason why anyone would be questioning the photo, if that is not what they were insinuating. Nobody has yet provided any other reason for the questions.
Except frogwell said if we can't believe the photo, the case is unsolvable. Which I completely disagree with.

I obviously don't understand tech, but the point I made about the time stamp on the picture was different to the time is was discussed before. As demonstrated on a previous post, a couple of pages back, when the post is linked to WS, the clock says the picture was loaded at a particular time, when accessed from the site itself it gives different information. I can accept that all sorts of things can go wrong with FB and many of you have given examples, however the explanation as I understand you have all given is that it is a glitch. It is not proved to me, I don't know, but I will have to trust what you say because you are all very sure of yourselves. The photo it seems is the only evidence we have, through MSM sources, outside of the family members, that places WT in Kendall at that time. MOO

 

[purpleandgreen]

If he wasn't there, where do you think he was?

I obviously don't understand tech, but the point I made about the time stamp on the picture was different to the time is was discussed before. As demonstrated on a previous post, a couple of pages back, when the post is linked to WS, the clock says the picture was loaded at a particular time, when accessed from the site itself it gives different information. I can accept that all sorts of things can go wrong with FB and many of you have given examples, however the explanation as I understand you have all given is that it is a glitch. It is not proved to me, I don't know, but I will have to trust what you say because you are all very sure of yourselves. The photo it seems is the only evidence we have, through MSM sources, outside of the family members, that places WT in Kendall at that time. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Seems to me that Judy Wilson has reported to police and MSM that she heard little children laughing and playing next door, that morning. I can't imagine that she would be mistaken about their proximity and position in relation to her house which was just 10 metres away.

 

[frogwell]

Seems to me that Judy Wilson has reported to police and MSM that she heard little children laughing and playing next door. I can't imagine that she would be mistaken about their proximity to her house that was just 10 metres away.

Well I guess all members have different criteria for what they accept as valid information and what they find questionable. She left at 9am and the children were playing on the driveway on their bikes at that time, which would place them about 50m away, at the time the green car passed the driveway and did a uturn at the end of the cul-de-sac. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Well I guess all members have different criteria for what they accept as valid information and what they find questionable.

I am using the MSM info that we are allowed to use, and as you yourself stated in your post.
Sometimes I feel like the goalposts just keep on shifting. I was responding to the 'MSM sources' portion of your post.

Is there some reason that Judy Wilson would lie about this? Is everybody lying if they say that William was in Kendall? Is there some proof that I have missed that he was elsewhere?

The photo it seems is the only evidence we have, through MSM sources, outside of the family members, that places WT in Kendall at that time. MOO

 

[JLZ]

Well I guess all members have different criteria for what they accept as valid information and what they find questionable.

That's OK. You're not a pop-up mole. But how far back are you doubting? Are you satisfied that William and his sister were picked up from day-care on the Thursday? Do you think he may have disappeared on the way to Kendall? Or before that?

 

[SouthAussie]

Well I guess all members have different criteria for what they accept as valid information and what they find questionable. She left at 9am and the children were playing on the driveway on their bikes at that time, which would place them about 50m away, at the time the green car passed the driveway and did a uturn at the end of the cul-de-sac. MOO

Can I ask where you are finding these exact times ... of riding their bikes, and the car doing a U-turn? I can't recall ever seeing that. Or if I did ever see it, it is no longer in my recall.

I didn't think Judy Wilson stated an exact time when she heard the children either? Could have been 6:30am, 7:30am, 8:30am for all I know. The children could have been on the porch, or by her fence, or running through the back yard squealing.

 

[frogwell]

That's OK. You're not a pop-up mole. But how far back are you doubting? Are you satisfied that William and his sister were picked up from day-care on the Thursday? Do you think he may have disappeared on the way to Kendall? Or before that?

I was not in doubt WT was at Kendall on 12 September 2014. It would be preferable if JW's account was an eyewitness statement to me but for a long time I had accepted what she said. The fact is she didn't see either of the children and there is an assumption that they were playing in the trees parallel to her carport at 9a.m. when she left. It was reported in MSM that the children were riding bikes in the driveway at 9a.m when an unidentified car passed them and did a u-turn. I don't have alternatives, I'm trying to follow the facts. MOO

 

[frogwell]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...o/news-story/c82724e2161fc18a7c765caa450d89e7

Is this the escape route taken by William Tyrrell’s abductors three years ago?
there.

“We’d like to renew the appeal to the public, if anyone has information about those particular vehicles they provide it to CrimeStoppers.”

There was also another vehicle described as a dark green/greyish coloured sedan police are interested in.

The vehicle drove past Benaroon Drive as William was riding his bike on the driveway about 9am and performed a U-turn.

 

[JLZ]

I was not in doubt WT was at Kendall on 12 September 2014. It would be preferable if JW's account was an eyewitness statement to me but for a long time I had accepted what she said. The fact is she didn't see either of the children and there is an assumption that they were playing in the trees parallel to her carport at 9a.m. when she left. It was reported in MSM that the children were riding bikes in the driveway at 9a.m when an unidentified car passed them and did a u-turn. I don't have alternatives, I'm trying to follow the facts. MOO

It seems to me that the alternative is that the four members of the foster family are all lying well enough to the fool the police, the photograph has been somehow faked and police haven't examined its data despite the 2014 date on FB, and they've also failed to examine things like CCTV along the way such as at the McDonalds, and perhaps also that staff at the child care centre haven't been interviewed. I could believe Mrs Wilson may have been mistaken. The rest of it is too much of a stretch for me.

 

[SouthAussie]

Okay, I have found the riding bike/U-turn link (oops sorry, I just now see that frogwell has already posted it).

The vehicle drove past Benaroon Drive as William was riding his bike on the driveway about 9am and performed a U-turn.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...o/news-story/c82724e2161fc18a7c765caa450d89e7


But the Judy Wilson link states no time ... it cannot be assumed that she heard them only/just at 9am as she was leaving. She has not stated to MSM what time(s) she heard them. It clearly says "earlier that morning before she headed in to town". Not "as she was leaving".

Judy Wilson, whose fence sits just 10m from where William was taken, heard him and his sister playing earlier that morning before she headed into town to run some errands.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c

 

[sleepinoz]

I was not in doubt WT was at Kendall on 12 September 2014. It would be preferable if JW's account was an eyewitness statement to me but for a long time I had accepted what she said. The fact is she didn't see either of the children and there is an assumption that they were playing in the trees parallel to her carport at 9a.m. when she left. It was reported in MSM that the children were riding bikes in the driveway at 9a.m when an unidentified car passed them and did a u-turn. I don't have alternatives, I'm trying to follow the facts. MOO

Wasn't there an recent post where her husband said she left @ 9:38am and we were all surprised he had the exact time?

 

[frogwell]

It seems to me that the alternative is that the four members of the foster family are all lying well enough to the fool the police, the photograph has been somehow faked and police haven't examined its data despite the 2014 date on FB, and they've also failed to examine things like CCTV along the way such as at the McDonalds, and perhaps also that staff at the child care centre haven't been interviewed. I could believe Mrs Wilson may have been mistaken. The rest of it is too much of a stretch for me.

Sure, when you are looking for an alternative narrative, then that might be one of them. I am not looking for an alternative, I am looking at the facts we have been presented with and analysing them. MOO

 

[Whàngarei]

Wasn't there an recent post where her husband said she left @ 9:38am and we were all surprised he had the exact time?

10.36 or 10.38