Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #31

[Whàngarei]

I doubt we’ll ever hear if William is found alive due to all the privacy. We might hear if he is ever found deceased.


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You believe he would just be placed back with that foster family and we would know nothing about it? Omg

 

[Whàngarei]

Lucky i have a back up pair of multifocals becsuse one pair have hit the ground running and have disappeared.

 

[SouthAussie]

Very interesting wording and I’m feeling a relevant difference.

Human intervention and abduction.


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Not if you take it in context ........

Fehon has been in daily contact with the distraught parents of William Tyrell since he disappeared from his grandmother’s house at Kendall on the NSW mid-north coast nine days ago, dressed in a Spider-Man suit.

The mid-north coast commander has been the public face of the investigation, and he has been careful with his language, mindful of the family, avoiding any mention of abduction in favour of “human intervention”.

He’s spoken of hope when to others hope seemed lost. He’s chided the media when questioned about the involvement of the sex crimes unit. Really, do the family need to know that at this time? He’s tried to shield William’s parents, but he just cannot say the only words they want to hear. “We’ve found your son.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d

 

[sleepinoz]

You believe he would just be placed back with that foster family and we would know nothing about it? Omg

You don't think he should be returned to the FF if he is found?

 

[SouthAussie]

You don't think he should be returned to the FF if he is found?

Sounds like a very unfair statement to me (not your statement, sleep).

We have not heard anything derogative about William's foster family. His foster father would not have been allowed to become an ambassador for Bravehearts if his background check had not come up pretty darn good.

If the police were not certain of their non-involvement, they would not have cleared them. They would have just left those questions alone. (Same with the bio-parents.)

The only derogatory things I have heard is people elsewhere trying to align the foster family with the (apparently) poor care received by Alana Pearl Smith from her foster family. The bad examples out there. They seem to have woven an intricate conspiracy theory all based on that, as far as I can tell.
There has been absolutely no consideration given to the hundreds of good foster carers out there. The silent majority.

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[SouthAussie]

I doubt we’ll ever hear if William is found alive due to all the privacy. We might hear if he is ever found deceased.


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I think we will hear something like "The search for William Tyrrell is over... he has been found alive and well" (even if he is not actually 'well') if he is found alive. That is what happens with children, fostered or not.

If he is found deceased, then we will hear much, much more.

And if he is never found, he will go down in the annals of history, as the Beaumont children have. Unless a perpetrator is apprehended or decided upon in an inquest, and then he may be remembered as Kyle Coleman is. Life taken by his friend, Kyle never found.

 

[frogwell]

I'm not going to respond to all of your remarks, only a couple.

IMO LT was placed into temporary care prior to William being removed, once William was removed her care status probably became permanent as well. If that was the case FACS would most definitely try to place the children together, which is why they were placed with this FF.

I have heard (consider it a rumor) that this was not their first experience at fostering, if that is true then they had obviously had children in temporary care beforehand.

As for stories of nok being passed over, sometimes the nok are not eligible, they might think they are but they are not. People complain all over the net, you just can't believe everything unless you know them.

It would be quite easy to abuse this system and earmark certain mothers if people want to circumvent the adoption process. When children are taken under 2 into the foster system there is the likelihood that the mother will try to conceive again to replace that child. As soon as she uses a public medical system, her record for having another child investigated by FaCs is already on the system and they are contacted to offer support etc through this system and start writing notes before the child is born. Under new policy, newborns mothers have 16 weeks to get their act together before they can remove the child and put it up for adoption. It is virtually impossible to be off the radar if you or the baby need medical support. Young unaddicted healthy mothers would be a target for whoever wants to make a profit or other benefits from a baby.MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be quite easy to abuse this system and earmark certain mothers if people want to circumvent the adoption process. When children are taken under 2 into the foster system there is the likelihood that the mother will try to conceive again to replace that child. As soon as she uses a public medical system, her record for having another child investigated by FaCs is already on the system and they are contacted to offer support etc through this system and start writing notes before the child is born. Under new policy, newborns mothers have 16 weeks to get their act together before they can remove the child and put it up for adoption. It is virtually impossible to be off the radar if you or the baby need medical support. Young unaddicted healthy mothers would be a target for whoever wants to make a profit or other benefits from a baby.MOO

And you are speaking of some communist country in this well-woven theory?
Certainly does not sound like Australia to me.


" ..... a target for whoever wants to make a profit or other benefits from a baby"

 

[sleepinoz]

It would be quite easy to abuse this system and earmark certain mothers if people want to circumvent the adoption process. When children are taken under 2 into the foster system there is the likelihood that the mother will try to conceive again to replace that child. As soon as she uses a public medical system, her record for having another child investigated by FaCs is already on the system and they are contacted to offer support etc through this system and start writing notes before the child is born. Under new policy, newborns mothers have 16 weeks to get their act together before they can remove the child and put it up for adoption. It is virtually impossible to be off the radar if you or the baby need medical support. Young unaddicted healthy mothers would be a target for whoever wants to make a profit or other benefits from a baby.MOO

Sorry, but I can't see the relevance of what your saying to what I posted. IMO that is a completely different conversation.

 

[Credulious]

Sounds like a very unfair statement to me (not your statement, sleep).

We have not heard anything derogative about William's foster family. His foster father would not have been allowed to become an ambassador for Bravehearts if his background check had not come up pretty darn good.

If the police were not certain of their non-involvement, they would not have cleared them. They would have just left those questions alone. (Same with the bio-parents.)

The only derogatory things I have heard is people elsewhere trying to align the foster family with the (apparently) poor care received by Alana Pearl Smith from her foster family. The bad examples out there. They seem to have woven an intricate conspiracy theory all based on that, as far as I can tell.

I think they are conspirators themselves. If someone ignores the police statement, and moves to denigrate the integrity the FPs, then you have to question their motives.

What drives people to take extraordinary lengths to take this path? Vindictive individuals connected to the crime? Or associates of the family?

 

[SouthAussie]

I think they are conspirators themselves. If someone ignores the police statement, and moves to denigrate the integrity the FPs, then you have to question their motives.

What drives people to take this path? Vindictive individuals connected to the crime? Or associates of the family?

It is extremely vindictive to me. And if you could see the language that is used by these people, especially Alana Pearl Smith, you would see the very narrow level of education and overall knowledge and experience. It is all limited to the negative, to the bad. Alana Pearl Smith could use taking herself off to night school and learning how to write and use grammar and spell, for a start. She is an adult and her language is appalling. No excuses for that.

imo

 

[frogwell]

And you are speaking of some communist country in this well-woven theory?
Certainly does not sound like Australia to me.


" ..... a target for whoever wants to make a profit or other benefits from a baby"

Australia and government department employees are not immune from human greed. More people want to adopt babies than there is actual babies.

 

[SouthAussie]

Australia and government department employees are not immune from human greed. More people want to adopt babies than there is actual babies.

Of course many would like that. Which is why many adopt from o/s countries. Applying every bad thing people can think of to the foster parents is absurd. imo

 

[sleepinoz]

Australia and government department employees are not immune from human greed. More people want to adopt babies than there is actual babies.

Do you have a link for that statistic about babies and adoptions?

 

[frogwell]

Of course many would like that. Which is why many adopt from o/s countries. Applying every bad thing people can think of to the foster parents is absurd. imo

I guess that happens when a whole side of the story is suppressed, people have brains and start asking questions and they get shut down. What are they to think?

 

[frogwell]

Of course many would like that. Which is why many adopt from o/s countries. Applying every bad thing people can think of to the foster parents is absurd. imo

Yes and then some want nice anglo ones.IMO

 

[Credulious]

I do think government seeks to mitigate litigation by limiting adoption in Australia.

Overseas adoption mitigates more risk to government than local children that might fall into similar circumstances not unlike that of William?

 

[frogwell]

Sounds like a very unfair statement to me (not your statement, sleep).

We have not heard anything derogative about William's foster family. His foster father would not have been allowed to become an ambassador for Bravehearts if his background check had not come up pretty darn good.

If the police were not certain of their non-involvement, they would not have cleared them. They would have just left those questions alone. (Same with the bio-parents.)

The only derogatory things I have heard is people elsewhere trying to align the foster family with the (apparently) poor care received by Alana Pearl Smith from her foster family. The bad examples out there. They seem to have woven an intricate conspiracy theory all based on that, as far as I can tell.
There has been absolutely no consideration given to the hundreds of good foster carers out there. The silent majority.

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BBM
Got a link and statistics for that?

 

[SouthAussie]

I do think government seeks to mitigate litigation by limiting adoption in Australia.

Overseas adoption mitigates more risk to government than local children that might fall into similar circumstances not unlike that of William?

Yes, I think they are extremely careful with overseas adoptions. But it is allowed in certain circumstances. And continued rigour is required to ensure that no children are adopted into child sex rings and such.

Cherish Perrywinkle's younger sisters (Cherish was raped and murdered as an 8 year old in the US, by a disgusting person) have just been adopted by her maternal aunt here in Australia, for example. There have been ongoing issues in the immediate family, and both governments got together and approved the adoption.

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM
Got a link and statistics for that?

I have posted in these threads, in the past, all the good stories I could find. You know very well that their circumstances are private. Which is why I wonder how anyone could possibly just look at the bad things that have been published, because a child has fallen outside the boundaries of that privacy.

Not sure how long you have been on this thread. If not as long as some, then there may be a bit of searching to do.