Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #32

[bearbear]

its alarming how many paedophiles there are living in the kendall area and central coast, and theres probably hundreds of them who havent been caught yet, i think this investigation has uncovered a massive paedophile ring, really hoping and praying little william hasnt been sold on or moved overseas

 

[bearbear]

i also have always thought william looks unwell and thin in the spiderman photo, compared to his other photos his face is chubby and happy, he looks thin, he could have been having a growth spurt or hyperactive, if his asthma was bothering him more at that time he wouldnt have survived long with the stress of abduction or assault,
precious little boy

 

[Hbayne]

i also have always thought william looks unwell and thin in the spiderman photo, compared to his other photos his face is chubby and happy, he looks thin, he could have been having a growth spurt or hyperactive, if his asthma was bothering him more at that time he wouldnt have survived long with the stress of abduction or assault,
precious little boy

My youngest son is skinny as a reed , at birth and until around 2 he was a chubby baby. At the moment all he does is eat but is still a stick figure. William IMO does not look sick or skinny , he looks like a perfectly normal 3 year old. His appearance in the photo has apsolutely no relevance to his abduction.and his asthma doesn’t also

 

[Violet77]

William was tall for his age, there’s photos of him as a newborn where he was all legs & arms. Maybe he was lanky, going through a growth spurt as well, he also just spent the night with a belly full of Maccas, at his Grandmas house, which was apparently something of super excitement for both of the children, maybe he did not get much sleep the night before, adding to his “tired” appearance.
FP said he was in good health is the description given on the where’s William site.

Maybe a cold night triggered his asthma, keeping him up & costing him needed sleep, the temperature was around 8 degrees Celsius in Port Macquarie the night of the 11th.

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[Hbayne]

I have my Father in law here atm who is a retired paediatric surgeon. I just showed him this photo without offering much explanation as to why ! He said this boy looks healthy, bright eyes ect .no evidence of illness or malnutrition from what he could see from a photo. For the posters here that have or remember having children that age, viruses and illness are a very common occurrence in kids of that age who are in child care, kinder ect. To me it’s of no relevance to his abduction

 

[bearbear]

no, im not criticising williams welfare, he looks very happy and healthy and loved in all other photos, i was just concerned because i wondered if he was unwell at the time because of his asthma and just thinking how especially vulnerable he would have been in an attack, and if whoever took him panicked and hid him but didnt actually hurt him?

 

[Hbayne]

no, im not criticising williams welfare, he looks very happy and healthy and loved in all other photos, i was just concerned because i wondered if he was unwell at the time because of his asthma and just thinking how especially vulnerable he would have been in an attack, and if whoever took him panicked and hid him but didnt actually hurt him?

Bear your above post contradicts this, you said he looked unwell. Now you say he looks happy and healthy in the photo. Apologies Bear, I read back over post and you were referring to different photos

 

[bearbear]

Bear your above post contradicts this, you said he looked unwell. Now you say he looks happy and healthy in the photo

no, i think he looks unwell in the photo taken the day he went missing, i think he looks happy and well in other photos taken before then and have no doubt ff loved him

 

[Innerchild]

Still means nothing, as I said you could not possibly know what he is or isn’t looking at .

Inner child is not implying, back in his/her posts it stated that it’s an apsolute fact that someone else was there. This cannot possibly be stated as fact, not here not in a court not anywhere.

Yes it’s ridiculous, the argument put forward as fact by a poster would not stand a chance in any court of law - it’s just their personal opinion that has apsolutely no substance no matter what credentials they claim to have

Hbayne please stop your vindictive posts which seem to be aimed at harassing or discrediting me.

I made it very clear in response to a post that I am implying someone else is there. I have also made it clear many times that this is my opinion based on my experience and training.

You are claiming my opinion has absolutely no substance, or apsolutley no substance, no matter what credentials I have and I disagree with that. You are welcome to you own opinion but you can not seem to accept anyone with an opinion other than one you approve of and you have gone out of you way to

If you have the experience you should become a Verified Expert. That would give some reason to believe what your saying, as it is members can believe what they like.

Who ever said it was taken at 10:30?! I thought 9:45 was the time stamp. As to you saying it was 9:15, that's a very precise reading of the short, weak shadows and Richie's diagram. I certainly can't see that amount of information on my (very good) monitor.

No-one is baiting you at all, inner. I'm just trying to clarify who you think was there. I have missed many posts over time and could easily have missed this information if there was indeed a link to it.

However, thank you for confirming that you are implying that there was someone else there - I still wonder who you think it might have been. And if there was someone else there, why has it been covered up by police all this time?

Am also wondering if that is your occupation - photo analysis? If so, your work could be very valuable not only to us, but to Jubelin and co as well. Thanks for your input, but as sleep suggests, might be worth getting verified, then your input would be without question and highly prized.

To answer other responses, members can believe what they like, but I believe they should make informed consideration of all information available. My qualifications are postgraduate but I don't plan to become a VI, it's not rocket science and mostly takes people here to widen their focus a little! Police in the task force have all this analysis available to them and I would be extremely surprised if they haven't used it.

I believed the photo was said to be taken only minutes before William was alleged to have gone missing, around 10.30 am. If the timestamp was 9.45 am, and shadows put it around 9.15 am, this is much earlier than 10.30 am. Maybe I'm wrong about it supposed to have been taken at 10.30 am.

Police have deliberately kept parts of the investigation classified, although they have indicated there is undercover surveillance continuing.

 

[Karinna]

Hbayne please stop your vindictive posts which seem to be aimed at harassing or discrediting me.

I made it very clear in response to a post that I am implying someone else is there. I have also made it clear many times that this is my opinion based on my experience and training.

You are claiming my opinion has absolutely no substance, or apsolutley no substance, no matter what credentials I have and I disagree with that. You are welcome to you own opinion but you can not seem to accept anyone with an opinion other than one you approve of and you have gone out of you way to







To answer other responses, members can believe what they like, but I believe they should make informed consideration of all information available. My qualifications are postgraduate but I don't plan to become a VI, it's not rocket science and mostly takes people here to widen their focus a little! Police in the task force have all this analysis available to them and I would be extremely surprised if they haven't used it.

I believed the photo was said to be taken only minutes before William was alleged to have gone missing, around 10.30 am. If the timestamp was 9.45 am, and shadows put it around 9.15 am, this is much earlier than 10.30 am. Maybe I'm wrong about it supposed to have been taken at 10.30 am.

Police have deliberately kept parts of the investigation classified, although they have indicated there is undercover surveillance continuing.

WT went missing at 10:30 am.
William Tyrrell: Timeline of boy's disappearance in September 2014
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...line-follows-disappearance-of-nsw-boy/6274088

 

[Karinna]

If the photo was taken earlier than when FF went to his business in town, maybe he was there when WT had the last photo taken, just before FF left? I think he left about 9:15-9:30 am? I don't think we actually know the timestamp of the photo?

 

[Innerchild]

He said one of the reasons was because Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan had, in a radio interview earlier in the day, described Mr Rayney as a "person of interest", when his status was actually "an arrested suspect".

"In my view that was a breach of the Criminal Investigation Act (CIA). That was not Mr Rayney's legal status, and to protect any evidence we obtained it needed to be rectified publicly because that's how the commissioner's statement was made, publicly," he said.

"My belief was Mr Rayney at some stage, would use any breach of the CIA to have any evidence we'd obtained, ruled inadmissible."

Inspector Lee also said he thought it was important to "correct the record and ensure the public were not misled about his status".

"It is essential to tell the truth to the public to preserve police credibility and keep public confidence in the investigation," he said in his written statement.

He said by the time of the media conference he was "firmly of the belief that all other significant persons of interest [in the case] besides Mr Rayney ... had been eliminated from the inquiry".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-...oyd-rayney-as-suspect-starts-evidence/8417974

So what was the issue, really?That he was named a poi or suspect? Or that he was named as the only suspect? I never followed the Rayney case

Inspector Lee was wrong to have called Rayney a suspect or more correctly the prime and only suspect, even though it was his belief that all other significant poi's beside Rayney had been eliminated.

Defamation of $2.62 mil awarded to Rayney despite the fact he was arrested and charged a few years later. The defamation was considered to apply to the period between the press conference when Lee named him as the suspect until he was charged. Rayney wanted $10 mil and has appealed to increase his defamation amount. If he was only called a suspect and not "prime and only" would reduce the defamation payout, IMO.
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/lloy...-lodges-appeal-in-supreme-court-ng-b88730773z

The Law Dictionary definitions previously posted, is still the best I've found that explain the difference between poi and suspect.

 

[Innerchild]

If the photo was taken earlier than when FF went to his business in town, maybe he was there when WT had the last photo taken, just before FF left? I think he left about 9:15-9:30 am? I don't think we actually know the timestamp of the photo?

That could be possible. I'm not sure about any timestamp, but was repeating what someone posted.

 

[frogwell]

RSBM

INNERCHILD
To answer other responses, members can believe what they like, but I believe they should make informed consideration of all information available. My qualifications are postgraduate but I don't plan to become a VI, it's not rocket science and mostly takes people here to widen their focus a little! Police in the task force have all this analysis available to them and I would be extremely surprised if they haven't used it.

I believed the photo was said to be taken only minutes before William was alleged to have gone missing, around 10.30 am. If the timestamp was 9.45 am, and shadows put it around 9.15 am, this is much earlier than 10.30 am. Maybe I'm wrong about it supposed to have been taken at 10.30 am.
BBM

Police have deliberately kept parts of the investigation classified, although they have indicated there is undercover surveillance continuing.[/QUOTE]



https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

The mobile phone reception in Kendall is atrocious and *William’s dad, a consultant, has to deliver a Skype presentation, so at 9.15am he drives to nearby Lakewood to get a reliable signal.

William changes from his pyjamas into his favourite Spider-Man suit. He looks adorable and at 9.45am his mum takes a photo of him, grinning into the camera, while his sister sits on the floor, drawing pictures to put on Opa’s grave.

 

[sosocurious]

Hbayne please stop your vindictive posts which seem to be aimed at harassing or discrediting me.

I made it very clear in response to a post that I am implying someone else is there. I have also made it clear many times that this is my opinion based on my experience and training.

You are claiming my opinion has absolutely no substance, or apsolutley no substance, no matter what credentials I have and I disagree with that. You are welcome to you own opinion but you can not seem to accept anyone with an opinion other than one you approve of and you have gone out of you way to







To answer other responses, members can believe what they like, but I believe they should make informed consideration of all information available. My qualifications are postgraduate but I don't plan to become a VI, it's not rocket science and mostly takes people here to widen their focus a little! Police in the task force have all this analysis available to them and I would be extremely surprised if they haven't used it.

I believed the photo was said to be taken only minutes before William was alleged to have gone missing, around 10.30 am. If the timestamp was 9.45 am, and shadows put it around 9.15 am, this is much earlier than 10.30 am. Maybe I'm wrong about it supposed to have been taken at 10.30 am.

Police have deliberately kept parts of the investigation classified, although they have indicated there is undercover surveillance continuing.

M: I took the photo, I took three photos, I do photo books, of what we do as a family every year. So every time we go somewhere I have my camera and I just take pictures of what they’re doing, ...............

and I look at that picture and I just think, minutes, minutes, and our world has changed.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...full-transcript-from-william-tyrrells-parents

Maybe the minutes, minutes is actually not referencing the photo being taken but the dismay of the disappearance happening in minutes..just minutes.
imo.

 

[Warshawski]

If both foster and bio parents have been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance of WT, how does any of her behavior, past, present or future have an impact on this case? Yes, he was removed, but other than that, whatever KT does or has done is irrelevant if all parents are cleared, no? I wish she would make better decisions for her own sake, but just because she is named n the media and her dirty laundry aired, shouldn't mean she be a focus of sleuthing if cleared like the foster family? KT did not facilitate the disappearance of her son, as per police statements and MSM.
Because she is named maybe should not mean open slather on judgement, as same is in respect to unnamed parents?

I'm sure all are grieving and in pain over losing this dear lil boy.

Maybe we should all focus on sleuthing the facts of the crime, eh? Not who messed up the worst as i'm sure they suffer with this stigma enough in their own minds?
Imagine waking up to KT's reality everyday. What an immense burden! I have family in Bowraville. I know what pain and regret this stuff causes! We need to not demonise anyone for the wrongs of others. I'm sure they demonise themselves enough!
30 years ago, the stolen generation was thought to be a positive step... we know better today. Maybe tomorrow, we will think otherwise of all care arrangements.
MOO. IMO.

Please everyone...deep breaths and new thinking... WHO did this horrendous crime..what do the facts tell us, what can we, as laymen do to help find him?? There is power in numbers and in love, we here on this thread have both, lets use it to find this little boy!!!!

All MOO and in genuine care and concern.

i know it Your Own Opinion Lou Lou, but I embrace and applaud you and your wonderful poste.

Thank You.. you said it so well.
( I deleted a passage along the same sentiment.. I guess because I thought no one was interested here in the 'good thoughts' .. ..so I thought I'd make them personal)

Please everyone, please focus on William ..

 

[Warshawski]

No offence intended, so I hope none is taken. But each time I see the occasional post like this, it is invariably from a member who does not participate in the theorising and work of the case with us.

Yes, we discuss MSM items about the persons involved from time to time, as we do with every case, not just William’s case - there is nothing unusual about that - but we do a heck of a lot of looking at everything from every angle that we can think of, too.

While I appreciate your sentiments - yes, everyone is feeling grief .. most of all, all of the parents - nothing wrong is being done here. The mods allow our various discussions.

I feel that this kind of post sort of shuts down discussions, instead of opening them up.

Maybe we can start with your own personal theory on what has happened here? And go from there.

imo

I'm confused as to your comments, when Lou Lou appealed as per '
Please everyone...deep breaths and new thinking... WHO did this horrendous crime..what do the facts tell us, what can we, as laymen do to help find him??

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm confused as to your comments, when Lou Lou appealed as per '
Please everyone...deep breaths and new thinking... WHO did this horrendous crime..what do the facts tell us, what can we, as laymen do to help find him??

Don’t be confused. So many of us have done so much work to try to find links, find information, analyse what we can find about this case.
So when members come on thread just to post comments about my inviting people to join in to find the facts of this case, as opposed to what I perceive as criticisms about some of our posts, I find it a little frustrating.

 

[Bohemian]

William has had a large number of photos taken of him and confirms what a happy eager to please child he looks in the photos. Source google images:

Bottom left and second from bottom right photos (in blue) are also taken sitting down and looking up at the photographer.

Bottom fight with the fireman hat on and seat belt he is looking at someone else, not the photographer.

Middle spiderman shows him clearly looking up with the photographer crouching infront of him. You can see his pupils looking to a height that I would estimate of someone standing behind the photographer. All other photos he looks directly at the camera and is looking to please or give a smile. I was trained in analysing photos with angles and forces as would a forensic biomechanist would be aware.

Ic, there was another car William’s FM noticed at around 9am on the day he disappeared. She said she she saw it when she was out on the driveway of FGM’s former residence watching William and his sister riding their bikes.

The car was reported as being a green or grey-green sedan that turned right from Benaroon Drive proper and drove past FGM’s driveway, turned right into FGM’s neighbour’s driveway, reversed out and went back the way it came. (The neighbours were reported as being ‘on holiday’ at the time.)

Could the person William was looking at when that photo was taken have been hiding in the bush garden surrounding FGM’s home?

This is as I remember posts and comments back on William’s forum regarding the cars reported as being seen by his FM on the day of William’s disappearance. I don’t have the ability to post the links to verify the MSM reports at the moment. Hopefully, soso will be kind enough to post them for us. (TIA soso.)

 

[SouthAussie]

Police in the task force have all this analysis available to them and I would be extremely surprised if they haven't used it.

I believed the photo was said to be taken only minutes before William was alleged to have gone missing, around 10.30 am. If the timestamp was 9.45 am, and shadows put it around 9.15 am, this is much earlier than 10.30 am. Maybe I'm wrong about it supposed to have been taken at 10.30 am.

.

BBM: Yes, the police have analysed the phone and photo.

"The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d

And the dad was found to be exactly where he said he was.
(Not that anyone asked, but I just wanted to get this info on-thread, yet again, because some members have trouble with The Australian links due to their cookies not being cleared. They allow one premium article per day, if cookies are kept cleared.)

"The “errand” William’s father was on has been investigated. He was where he said he was."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d

And also this, again just to get the info on-thread again ...

"There is no evidence of any family dispute.

William’s wider family has been thoroughly investigated and interviewed, too. Their alibis have been declared sound — they were hundreds of kilometres away when William disappeared."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d