Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33

[Coldpizza]

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[SouthAussie]

Couldn’t it be said that AJ also had means, motive and opportunity, SA?
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Seriously, not having a go. Genuine question.

The main thing that disqualifies Jones for me is his 90+ convictions. He doesn't seem to be able to keep himself under the radar, not leaving strong evidence, not being caught, for his many, many criminal infractions.

Maybe it is his volatile nature, that keeps him from not being smart enough to keep himself from being caught, charged, and convicted. Maybe it is a propensity toward alcohol use (he seems to have one) that makes his criminal activities 'sloppy'.

I just think he would have cracked by now, or left strong evidence, that would have had him charged within 3½+ years.

I have looked around on Google Earth, as well as searched on the internet, to see where scrap metal is typically dumped in that general area. They have plenty of scrap metal dealers, two being in Wauchope where Jones lives/d. These are the closest dealers to Kendall, according to Google. There is no need for anyone getting rid of a scrap metal item to have a person like Jones do it for them.

https://www.yellowpages.com.au/find/scrap-metal-merchants/kendall-nsw

 

[SouthAussie]

As well ....

What would Jones have been doing on Benaroon Drive that morning? Would police not have been able to verify a scrap metal pickup, if he was there? Otherwise, I can't see people dumping scrap metal in that general area, and Google Earth does not show any deposits of it in the forest around there.

If people are serious about it being him, it might be a good idea to do some research into the likelihood. See what indicators can be found.

Eg:
similar incidents of child sex abuse ... kids around the same age/body type
any history of travelling to that specific area
any reason to be on Benaroon Drive that morning
is there a timeline for his activities, that make his presence there a good possibility

These are some of the things that make Spedding a prime POI, and it would be good to see some likelihoods to back it up, if that is what people are considering.

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[purpleandgreen]

Where are you little man? Where are you?

You who know - it's time to come forward. Have some mercy and human decency.

 

[Bohemian]

The main thing that disqualifies Jones for me is his 90+ convictions. He doesn't seem to be able to keep himself under the radar, not leaving strong evidence, not being caught, for his many, many criminal infractions.

Maybe it is his volatile nature, that keeps him from not being smart enough to keep himself from being caught, charged, and convicted. Maybe it is a propensity toward alcohol use (he seems to have one) that makes his criminal activities 'sloppy'.

I just think he would have cracked by now, or left strong evidence, that would have had him charged within 3½+ years.

I have looked around on Google Earth, as well as searched on the internet, to see where scrap metal is typically dumped in that general area. They have plenty of scrap metal dealers, two being in Wauchope where Jones lives/d. These are the closest dealers to Kendall, according to Google. There is no need for anyone getting rid of a scrap metal item to have a person like Jones do it for them.

https://www.yellowpages.com.au/find/scrap-metal-merchants/kendall-nsw

As well ....

What would Jones have been doing on Benaroon Drive that morning? Would police not have been able to verify a scrap metal pickup, if he was there? Otherwise, I can't see people dumping scrap metal in that general area, and Google Earth does not show any deposits of it in the forest around there.

If people are serious about it being him, it might be a good idea to do some research into the likelihood. See what indicators can be found.

Eg:
similar incidents of child sex abuse ... kids around the same age/body type
any history of travelling to that specific area
any reason to be on Benaroon Drive that morning
is there a timeline for his activities, that make his presence there a good possibility

These are some of the things that make Spedding a prime POI, and it would be good to see some likelihoods to back it up, if that is what people are considering.

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Let me think about what you’ve posted for a while, SA, and see if I can figure out why there is still a question mark regarding AJ’s possible involvement in William’s disappearance.

A few events were reported in MSM while I was unwell and mostly absent from William’s threads, ie; the Surry Hills’ incident and, I think but am not sure, there were articles irt a denial that AJ was working on an elderly neighbour’s air conditioning unit or hot water system at the time William went missing. I have to get up to speed with those two events and refresh my memory about why AJ was initially named in connection with William’s disappearance in MSM.

Also to research the percentage of perpetrators who were under the influence of alcohol when they abducted a child and the date when NSW laws were amended irt scrap metal dealing.

Bear with me as I’m still not firing on all cylinders. Although I will follow up as soon as I can.

 

[Bohemian]

Where are you little man? Where are you?

You who know - it's time to come forward. Have some mercy and human decency.

William’s disappearance is so sad. I can’t imagine how his loved ones and members of Strike Force Rosann are coping with it on a daily basis.

I also can’t imagine how someone who knows what has become of William can’t, or won’t, tell his loved ones and investigators what they need to know to recover him.

 

[JLZ]

The main thing that disqualifies Jones for me is his 90+ convictions. He doesn't seem to be able to keep himself under the radar, not leaving strong evidence, not being caught, for his many, many criminal infractions.

Maybe it is his volatile nature, that keeps him from not being smart enough to keep himself from being caught, charged, and convicted. Maybe it is a propensity toward alcohol use (he seems to have one) that makes his criminal activities 'sloppy'.

I just think he would have cracked by now, or left strong evidence, that would have had him charged within 3½+ years.

I have looked around on Google Earth, as well as searched on the internet, to see where scrap metal is typically dumped in that general area. They have plenty of scrap metal dealers, two being in Wauchope where Jones lives/d. These are the closest dealers to Kendall, according to Google. There is no need for anyone getting rid of a scrap metal item to have a person like Jones do it for them.

https://www.yellowpages.com.au/find/scrap-metal-merchants/kendall-nsw

I'm not sure about him being sloppy. He's said to have 90+ convictions including assault, break-and-enter, driving charges, but what if he's been averaging one theft per fortnight over many years, and getting a conviction or two or three on 10% of them? He could be pretty good at stealthy operations, notwithstanding aggression and drinking when off-duty.

 

[Violet77]

The main thing that disqualifies Jones for me is his 90+ convictions. He doesn't seem to be able to keep himself under the radar, not leaving strong evidence, not being caught, for his many, many criminal infractions.

Maybe it is his volatile nature, that keeps him from not being smart enough to keep himself from being caught, charged, and convicted. Maybe it is a propensity toward alcohol use (he seems to have one) that makes his criminal activities 'sloppy'.

I just think he would have cracked by now, or left strong evidence, that would have had him charged within 3½+ years.

I have looked around on Google Earth, as well as searched on the internet, to see where scrap metal is typically dumped in that general area. They have plenty of scrap metal dealers, two being in Wauchope where Jones lives/d. These are the closest dealers to Kendall, according to Google. There is no need for anyone getting rid of a scrap metal item to have a person like Jones do it for them.

https://www.yellowpages.com.au/find/scrap-metal-merchants/kendall-nsw

I agree that Jones seems sloppy & does not posses the brains to outsmart anyone, especially given his rap sheet being so long, he has obviously been caught on many occasions.
But then that makes me think of perps like Cowan, who just happened to slip under the radar -yes the police failed to a bit there - long enough for Daniels remains to almost disappear.
Also, thinking about his history with the law, you would think someone like that, would take further steps to cover up what they’ve done ie - dispose of a victim.
My money is on Jones or Spedding being involved, leaning more to the latter though.


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[Wexford]

I'm not sure about him being sloppy. He's said to have 90+ convictions including assault, break-and-enter, driving charges, but what if he's been averaging one theft per fortnight over many years, and getting a conviction or two or three on 10% of them? He could be pretty good at stealthy operations, notwithstanding aggression and drinking when off-duty.

Agree. "Oh Im collecting scrap metal" gives you a great excuse to be just about anywhere really. Out bush, on someone's property, at a business.
Old style washing machines are full of scrap metal - perhaps FGM's machine was going to be written off if the new part didn't fix the issue? Maybe there was other stuff laying around too?

 

[sosocurious]

Let me think about what you’ve posted for a while, SA, and see if I can figure out why there is still a question mark regarding AJ’s possible involvement in William’s disappearance.

A few events were reported in MSM while I was unwell and mostly absent from William’s threads, ie; the Surry Hills’ incident and, I think but am not sure, there were articles irt a denial that AJ was working on an elderly neighbour’s air conditioning unit or hot water system at the time William went missing. I have to get up to speed with those two events and refresh my memory about why AJ was initially named in connection with William’s disappearance in MSM.

Also to research the percentage of perpetrators who were under the influence of alcohol when they abducted a child and the date when NSW laws were amended irt scrap metal dealing.

Bear with me as I’m still not firing on all cylinders. Although I will follow up as soon as I can.

The estranged wife of an Australian man linked to the disappearance of NSW toddler William Tyrrell has described being questioned over the suspected abduction case as "beyond comprehension".
The woman, who has asked not to be named, found out in September last year that her husband Anthony Jones had been charged with indecently assaulting a child.
She kicked him out of the family home in Wauchope, NSW, after learning of the shocking allegations.

Jones came to the attention of detectives investigating three-year-old William's disappearance after their focus turned to grandparent support groups on the NSW Mid North Coast.
Jones was once a member of the Port Macquarie-based Grandparents as Parents Again (GAPA).

Detectives interviewed Jones while he was in custody in April and questioned him about any involvement in William's disappearance.

It is understood Jones told police and family he was "out bush" collecting scrap metal on the day William went missing from this grandmother's house in Kendall.

Detectives also questioned Jones' estranged wife about his movements.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austr...sband-linked-to-william-tyrrell-disappearance

But as it turned out he was not residing with his wife on the day William disappeared. He was living with relative Katrina.
Did she say he said he was going to collect scrap? Or just that he was heading to the pub to meet Bickford?

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure about him being sloppy. He's said to have 90+ convictions including assault, break-and-enter, driving charges, but what if he's been averaging one theft per fortnight over many years, and getting a conviction or two or three on 10% of them? He could be pretty good at stealthy operations, notwithstanding aggression and drinking when off-duty.

Sure ... he very likely has committed more crimes than he has ever been caught for.

But, by the same token, how many years has he spent in prison? How much time has he spent not being able to commit crimes? How many of his crimes involved children ... particularly children of William's age/body type?

His recorded sex crime against a child was an 11 year old. A rape charge in that regard was dismissed. He was already in prison when he was to receive sentencing on that matter.

His crimes, carried out in Sydney, Wellington, Bathurst, Dubbo and Port Macquarie, span four decades and include assaulting women, stealing, and escaping police custody, The Daily Telegraph reported.
The 59-year-old was last week sentenced to three years jail after he pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting a minor, News Corp reported.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...isappearance-90-OFFENCES-criminal-record.html

Another GAPA member, Anthony Jones, is behind bars and awaiting a September 14 sentencing for indecently assaulting a different 11-year-old child.
Both men — who are close friends — were arrested and charged in the time following the disappearance of William..............

Both pleaded guilty to touching their young victims on their genital areas. More serious charges, including child rape, were dropped against Jones.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...l-NSW-12-Sept-2014-27&p=13652362#post13652362

 

[SouthAussie]

Agree. "Oh Im collecting scrap metal" gives you a great excuse to be just about anywhere really. Out bush, on someone's property, at a business.
Old style washing machines are full of scrap metal - perhaps FGM's machine was going to be written off if the new part didn't fix the issue? Maybe there was other stuff laying around too?

If grandma's washing machine was to be junked, if unrepairable, would Jones have been there on that day to meet Spedding just in case there was an immediate decision by grandma to junk the machine? I get the impression that the repair was a pretty sure thing, and needed to be done quickly with the family arriving soon.

Does a washing machine fit into a station wagon?

I have looked at the possibility that Jones may have been in the area to steal copper pipe from a new-build, and sell it on at a good price. But I have not seen, and do not know of, any new-builds on Benaroon Drive at that time.

 

[JLZ]

If grandma's washing machine was to be junked, if unrepairable, would Jones have been there on that day to meet Spedding just in case there was an immediate decision by grandma to junk the machine? I get the impression that the repair was a pretty sure thing, and needed to be done quickly with the family arriving soon.

Does a washing machine fit into a station wagon?

I have looked at the possibility that Jones may have been in the area to steal copper pipe from a new-build, and sell it on at a good price. But I have not seen, and do not know of, any new-builds on Benaroon Drive at that time.

There seems to have been a few vacant houses about though, which could have been fair prospects for structural and other theft. He might check them out in the daytime, come back at night. Or vice versa, for all I know.

 

[louisepiglet]

BS' alibi is that he was with MS having coffee and after at the school presentation. MS has confirmed he was with her. Until now, LE has been unable to disprove this alibi. If the $1M is aimed at MS and she has still not backflipped on the alibi either he was with her or she loves him and no amount of money will shake her. As a mother and grandmotherI would imagine MS would have a lot of empathy for children so I would be surprised if she would protect him if she thought he was guilty.

 

[purpleandgreen]

BS' alibi is that he was with MS having coffee and after at the school presentation. MS has confirmed he was with her. Until now, LE has been unable to disprove this alibi. If the $1M is aimed at MS and she has still not backflipped on the alibi either he was with her or she loves him and no amount of money will shake her. As a mother and grandmotherI would imagine MS would have a lot of empathy for children so I would be surprised if she would protect him if she thought he was guilty.

Do you have a link for this, please Louise? It's just that I don't remember reading that. I only remember Col saying he was there. Has MS ever confirmed it ? And if so, when & how? TIA.

 

[Bohemian]

The estranged wife of an Australian man linked to the disappearance of NSW toddler William Tyrrell has described being questioned over the suspected abduction case as "beyond comprehension".
The woman, who has asked not to be named, found out in September last year that her husband Anthony Jones had been charged with indecently assaulting a child.
She kicked him out of the family home in Wauchope, NSW, after learning of the shocking allegations.

Jones came to the attention of detectives investigating three-year-old William's disappearance after their focus turned to grandparent support groups on the NSW Mid North Coast.
Jones was once a member of the Port Macquarie-based Grandparents as Parents Again (GAPA).

Detectives interviewed Jones while he was in custody in April and questioned him about any involvement in William's disappearance.

It is understood Jones told police and family he was "out bush" collecting scrap metal on the day William went missing from this grandmother's house in Kendall.

Detectives also questioned Jones' estranged wife about his movements.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austr...sband-linked-to-william-tyrrell-disappearance

But as it turned out he was not residing with his wife on the day William disappeared. He was living with relative Katrina.
Did she say he said he was going to collect scrap? Or just that he was heading to the pub to meet Bickford?

Thanks soso. Good questions and I think there may be conflicting reports in MSM regarding them.

Anyway, here’s a bit of a rough outline in the form of a blog post that lists events and circumstances that may explain why I think some WSers can’t eliminate his alleged involvement in William’s disappearance:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...William-Tyrrell-12-September-2014-Alleged-POI

I can edit a blog so if you, or anyone else wants to copy and paste portions of it into posts here, I’m happy to add or delete information contained in it.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BS' alibi is that he was with MS having coffee and after at the school presentation. MS has confirmed he was with her. Until now, LE has been unable to disprove this alibi. If the $1M is aimed at MS and she has still not backflipped on the alibi either he was with her or she loves him and no amount of money will shake her. As a mother and grandmotherI would imagine MS would have a lot of empathy for children so I would be surprised if she would protect him if she thought he was guilty.

Bill had children from previous marriage, M had children from previous marriage and they both met and remarried around 3 decades ago. Do I have the right time span here? I don't know exactly which year they had been married for 28 years (would have a link but "subscribers only"). In any case BS had an ex B-I-L who BS even lived with in 1987, the convicted pedo Hillsley. Both men got investigated re child abuse. MS should have had known about the scandal but despite her little children (the number of children is unknown to me) she even married such a man -BS- around that time.
I don't know where her honestly empathy for children might be visible when she even posed a great risk to her own children.

 

[SouthAussie]

Bill had children from previous marriage, M had children from previous marriage and they both met and remarried around 3 decades ago. Do I have the right time span here? I don't know exactly which year they had been married for 28 years (would have a link but "subscribers only"). In any case BS had an ex B-I-L who BS even lived with in 1987, the convicted pedo Hillsley. Both men got investigated re child abuse. MS should have had known about the scandal but despite her little children (the number of children is unknown to me) she even married such a man -BS- around that time.
I don't know where her honestly empathy for children might be visible when she even posed a great risk to her own children.

And then posed a great risk to her grandchildren, too. By allowing Spedding to live in a house with them. FACS were required to intervene and remove the grandchildren from that risk ... from his 'treatment of children'.

Margaret evidently chose Spedding - again - over safety for the children. Chose to have the grandchildren removed, rather than ask Spedding to live elsewhere.


TRADESMAN Bill Spedding was interviewed by Family and Community Services about his treatment of children just days before detectives began investigating him over the disappearance of little William Tyrell.

Three of the children who had been living with him and his wife have since been removed, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/73350ebd1be700109fa5a5eb5bb06d0c

 

[SouthAussie]

Bill had children from previous marriage, M had children from previous marriage and they both met and remarried around 3 decades ago. Do I have the right time span here? I don't know exactly which year they had been married for 28 years (would have a link but "subscribers only").

RSBM


The 28 years spans back from a publication date of 24th January 2015. Which takes us to 1987.

The NSW child sex offences also occurred in 1987.

Bill and Margaret married 28 years ago after both having children with previous partners.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854
Suspicion torments NSW community as police probe toddler’s disappearance
January 24, 2015

Police will allege Whitegoods repairman Bill Spedding sexually assaulted two girls, aged three and six, in Sydney 1987.
The 63-year-old was taken to Port Macquarie police station where he was charged with seven historical offences dating back to 1987.
He has been refused bail and was expected to appear before Port Macquarie Local Court on Thursday.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...xually-abusing-two-girls-20150422-1mr56g.html

 

[ParaK]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-case-missing-toddler-William-Tyrrell.html
MS speaks with the media in this article about the spiderman toy. But there is never any other mentions of her speaking with the media about alibis or anything.
This article always stands out to me due to the spiderman toy being seized months later and it also saying that the toy was in the van the day William disappeared. I am also interested that the boys mother concerned that they were in his care unbeknownst to her was maybe because they were meant to be with their father but then ended up there without FACS being notified until being found out.
Between BS and TJ and their dodgy alibis both unconfirmed or ruled out is a worry. Either sit heavily on my radar for some involvement. IMO
Also in this article with details of the historical offences of the girls horrendous injuries being stated from Westmead hospital, the time frame and everything while BS was living there?? If it wasn't him the there is another paedophile that has managed to get away with it.
Quite a few links on this article to linking to articles from SMH, Daily Telegraph and others if interested.
The fact that the Where's William official campaign was immediately joined by Bravehearts leads me to believe that they think a paedophile is responsible, and thought that very quickly. Whoever knows something has to speak out before it happens to someone else or someone they love and hold dear. What a burden to carry worrying about your own children or grandchildren being their next victim? $1million one thing but the safety of children is another. Speak up now!!
All MOO