Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33

[Bohemian]

Lets not forget BS Wellington premises was also searched.
Wonder if any thing was taken for forensic testing from that location?

Was that at the same time as the raid on his office/unit soso? And was his home raided at the same time too? Were there two separate raids, ie; by members of the CASC Squad and SF Rosann? Or were they one and the same at that stage? Sorry, I can’t remember back that far.

 

[Violet77]

No worries, not need to apologies. I just have not heard BS say much at all since that one and only interview he and Marg gave.
He just seems more focuses on the 8th and 9th being corrected - in his vid.
I just don't get why those dates are so significant to him. 8th - 9th whats a day and why does it really matter what day he did the quote?
Maybe it was because of where he was at on the day he was not at grandma's or was at grandma's?
Maybe he did not go to grandma's in the Speddo's van to do the quote....:dunno:
Just thinking out loud.

Hmm... has any info ever been reported about his original visit to the house? Other than the dates?
Actually, it would be interesting to know if he did use his van for that visit, how many of the neighbors noticed an outsider vehicle that stands out as much as that one would, going with what most of them have said regarding any strange vehicles being noticed.


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[SouthAussie]

I guess the police have reason to believe that too.
I wonder what information they have come across to go from pedophile ring, to a lone perp, & does this mean that they have found some sort of trace of William to come to this conclusion?


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I have always wondered if they have found some trace of William, as well.

The police focus on sex offenders (no matter what else they are saying ... how 'open' they say they are being), the foster mum's complete and visible distress thinking of a sex offender attack, the other significant one becoming an ambassador for Bravehearts .... it gives me this feeling in the pit of my stomach that there has been some sign.

 

[Violet77]

I have always wondered if they have found some trace of William, as well.

The police focus on sex offenders (no matter what else they are saying ... how 'open' they say they are being), the foster mum's complete and visible distress thinking of a sex offender attack, the other significant one becoming an ambassador for Bravehearts .... it gives me this feeling in the pit of my stomach that there has been some sign.

Yes, the parents would certainly know more than the general public, not everything obviously, but they would probably have an understanding of what kind of activity little William was met with. Poor little boy, what a horrible thing for him to experience & for his family to have attached to his memory.


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[sosocurious]

Was that at the same time as the raid on his office/unit soso? And was his home raided at the same time too? Were there two separate raids, ie; by members of the CASC Squad and SF Rosann? Or were they one and the same at that stage? Sorry, I can’t remember back that far.

His Bonny Hills home was searched in January as was his pawnbroker business and adjoining office in the main street of Laurieton.
A mattress and computer were carried away by detectives, in full view of curious locals, for examination.

A property in his former hometown of Wellington, in NSW's central west, was also searched.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/st...ows-and-false-hope-12-months-on-photos-video/

Not sure. It was a while before we heard about the Wellington search from memory.

 

[Bohemian]

I guess the police have reason to believe that too.
I wonder what information they have come across to go from pedophile ring, to a lone perp, & does this mean that they have found some sort of trace of William to come to this conclusion?


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I’m not sure there ever was a paedophile ‘ring’ per se. A group of men who had a history of CSA and CP/CSE and who all knew each other; yes.

DCI Jubelin is no longer set on William’s abduction being perpetrated by a CSO, although he didn’t rule it out:

(11:53) Reporter:

'Are the majority of those suspects sex offenders?'

(11:58) DCI Jubelin:

'I think we need to keep an open mind in regards to this. There's an assumption right from the start, that a three year old child's been abducted that may, or may not, be the sexual predator. We're keeping an open mind to that. I can't break down specifically how many persons of interest are on the basis of suspicion attached to their sexual interests in children but I do want to stress this is a unique investigation. I'm very mindful that we've looked at all possibilities and I keep an open mind to it.

I hear stories from overseas of situations where children have disappeared for decades and the turned up in circumstances. I also hear stories of incidents have occurred that are by accident and been covered up and then revealed. So, we are keeping an open mind to it and our focus is not just on sex offenders or, let's break it down; paedophiles. We're not just looking at that aspect of it.

And we're also mindful that our research tells us that the child, at the age of three, doesn't necessarily fit into the parameters of childless couples where young babies have been abducted. It's that unique nature of this investigation that's making this particularly trying.'
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Source: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)

So, let me see:

• William may, or may not, have been abducted by a CSO;
• He may be held captive or hidden by his abductor; or
• He may have been the victim of an accident, probably fatal; but
• It’s unlikely he was abducted as a substitute child.

Hmmm . . . pick a card, any card. I wish I was a fly on the wall of SFR’s incident room.

Regardless of how they go about their investigation, I pray they find the answer to William’s disappearance soon — for his, and his loved ones’ sakes.

 

[SouthAussie]

Regarding Spedding - he denies having a friendship with any of the other POI’s named in the media, other than the small connection between him & AJ living across the road from each other in Wellington? Why were police led to the grandparents as parents again group after investigating Spedding, what was it that they find out during that part of their investigation, that made them turn their attention towards them?


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BBM: This article says it was because police believe that Spedding knows 'people' in GAPA. Even though GAPA, as a group, evidently didn't know Spedding. Be interesting to know in what capacity Spedding knows those 'people', and if it was after investigation of his computer or mobile phone history that those associations were made.

Those associations may, in my opinion, just solidify Spedding's stance as a child sex offender. Even if they weren't part of a pedo ring, as such, but just more shared their horrible pedo thoughts and pics.


The investigation into Mr Spedding's background led police to believe he knew people within the Port Macquarie-based group, Grandparents as Parents Again.

However GAPA's chaplain Alan Battishall said Mr Spedding had nothing to do with them.

"We didn't even know who he was until it all blew up," he said.
http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/st...ows-and-false-hope-12-months-on-photos-video/

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m not sure there ever was a paedophile ‘ring’ per se. A group of men who had a history of CSA and CP/CSE and who all knew each other; yes.

DCI Jubelin is no longer set on William’s abduction being perpetrated by a CSO, although he didn’t rule it out:

This investigation has never been set on one kind of target, to my knowledge. Right from day dot, they have looked at, and are looking at, every scenario.

I would think by now those scenarios are seriously whittled down - after 3½+ years - to a small range of events or specific event with a perp(s) in their sights.

Though the only POIs that have been published are said to be sex offenders. So that says something, to me, and others. As well as the fact that Homicide and the Sex Crimes squad are running the case, not Missing Persons.



"I can truthfully say that nothing has been discounted," Superintendent Paul Fehon of the mid-north coast local area command says.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

‘‘We look at those statistics and this is a stand-alone case, so we still hold promise and we are going to continue with that attitude,’’ Sgt King said.
Investigators remain open-minded to William's whereabouts as there is "no indication whether young William is out in the bush or whether other forms of human intervention have been involved," Superintendent Fehon said.
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story...arch-for-missing-william-tyrell-audio-photos/

 

[sosocurious]

Nichols is also a musician, and plays piano with the Conservatorium Mid North Coast - Port Macquarie Chapter choir.
The man, who now lives in Laurieton, reportedly denied having watched or seen the material he was given the suspended sentence over, and said he does not know anyone who is linked to the case.
'It was a lot of nonsense ... I had never even looked at it,' he reportedly told The Daily Telegraph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssing-child-abuse-material.html#ixzz5Ci7eRSV6

Jan 12, 2016 - In a brief conversation with The Daily Telegraph, however, Nichols referred to a previous article written about him and other persons of interest and said: “What you wrote about the other man was wrong.”

Was it ever determined who and what DN thought was wrong about the other man?

I could never work that out given he said - he did not know anybody connected to the case.

William Tyrrell probe turns to child fiend Derek Nichols | Daily ...
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/...derek-nichols/.../28a074f9f7ed82b9cf075213626b.

 

[Bohemian]

This investigation has never been set on one kind of target, to my knowledge. Right from day dot, they have looked at, and are looking at, every scenario.

I would think by now those scenarios are seriously whittled down - after 3½+ years - to a small range of events or specific event with a perp(s) in their sights.

Though the only POIs that have been published are said to be sex offenders. So that says something, to me, and others. As well as the fact that Homicide and the Sex Crimes squad are running the case, not Missing Persons.



"I can truthfully say that nothing has been discounted," Superintendent Paul Fehon of the mid-north coast local area command says.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

‘‘We look at those statistics and this is a stand-alone case, so we still hold promise and we are going to continue with that attitude,’’ Sgt King said.
Investigators remain open-minded to William's whereabouts as there is "no indication whether young William is out in the bush or whether other forms of human intervention have been involved," Superintendent Fehon said.
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story...arch-for-missing-william-tyrell-audio-photos/

That’s true, very early on William was thought to have been abducted. In fact I remember one of the members of Port Macquarie LAC thought that there was something not right with the little boy missing in the bush’ scenario. DCI Jubelin is a Cold Case and Homicide detective and after the comments made by Insp Paul Fehon and Sgt King were made he said, on second anniversary of William’s disappearance:

‘[...] he believed William was still alive because there was no evidence to suggest he’d been killed.

It was a “hard” question to answer, particularly from William’s parents.

“We have fears for him, for obvious reasons, but we haven’t got evidence to suggest he’s deceased.”

Despite William being one of the most recognised faces in the country, [Det Chief] Insp Jubelin said it was possible for William to be concealed, and called for people to be vigilant about the circumstances around a family’s situation, for example if they have a young child with them that hadn’t been seen before.’

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...d/news-story/4239f71c950a75f1305457c9e62ca43a

CSOs such as BS, AJ and/or PB may have indeed been involved in some way in William’s abduction but just what the outcome was for William we have yet to find out.

I respect your, and others, rights to your opinions on who you think abducted William. You, and others, may well be right. I’m not interested in being right, just in seeing William recovered and the perpetrator(s), whoever he/she/they may be being brought to justice.

 

[sosocurious]

I am sure we all want William returned home to his families and the person or persons responsible bought to justice.
There is no right or wrong. Just everyone putting their thoughts and opinions forward for discussion.
imo

 

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Did we explore the surrounding (ie members etc.) of this enough? After all, located in Batar Creek Road which was said to have been possibly the escape route of the abductors of little WT. AND a location which was searched for by a well-dressed man on the day WT vanished:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

Police are still investigating a number of tips, including reports that a 'well-dressed, well-spoken' man stopped at a local shop on Friday morning to ask directions to Batar Creek Road, which leads to Benaroon Drive where William was last seen.

 

[Bohemian]

I am sure we all want William returned home to his families and the person or persons responsible bought to justice.
There is no right or wrong. Just everyone putting their thoughts and opinions forward for discussion.
imo

Yeah, soso, I know we all do. This case is very trying for everyone. And you’re right there’s no right or wrong, it’s simply a discussion between people who all want to see William’s case solved. I’ll be mindful about this before I get snarky again. I apologise to you, SA and others.

 

[Bohemian]

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Did we explore the surrounding (ie members etc.) of this enough? After all, located in Batar Creek Road which was said to have been possibly the escape route of the abductors of little WT. AND a location which was searched for by a well-dressed man on the day WT vanished:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html

I’ve always wondered about the ‘well-dressed man’ asking for directions to Batar Creek Road, and the large middle-aged woman reportedly seen sitting in the dark-coloured sedan on the side of that road, on the day William went missing too, FG. Likewise the Victorian couple who stayed at the caravan park in a cabin where a child was heard crying.

Is it possible [a] local CSO abducted William to hand him over to someone else, or were they supposed to and didn’t? If so, where did this handover occur and/or where is William now? Is he being hidden/held captive or has he subsequently passed away and his remains concealed?

DCI Jubelin has not ruled out a opportunistic sexual predator in William’s abduction (similar to BPC in DM’s case) for sure, but nor has he ruled out an abduction where the perpetrator may still be hiding William or holding him captive, nor for that matter one where William has met with an accident which has been covered up. The outside chance is that William was taken by a couple to be their child.

I only wish we knew what happened to William and where he, or in the worse case scenario, his remains are now.

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if the item that may have been thrown from a vehicle which Police were looking for was, in fact, William’s Spiderman shirt. Maybe Karlie’s interview, with the vision of the child portraying William, was to let the perpetrator know that SFR had found the shirt and had it in evidence?

 

[bearbear]

theres also that odd photo of william on the police strategy wall, i wonder about that too, if it was taken from someones computer?

 

[Violet77]

I’ve always wondered about the ‘well-dressed man’ asking for directions to Batar Creek Road, and the large middle-aged woman reportedly seen sitting in the dark-coloured sedan on the side of that road, on the day William went missing too, FG. Likewise the Victorian couple who stayed at the caravan park in a cabin where a child was heard crying.

Is it possible [a] local CSO abducted William to hand him over to someone else, or were they supposed to and didn’t? If so, where did this handover occur and/or where is William now? Is he being hidden/held captive or has he subsequently passed away and his remains concealed?

DCI Jubelin has not ruled out a opportunistic sexual predator in William’s abduction (similar to BPC in DM’s case) for sure, but nor has he ruled out an abduction where the perpetrator may still be hiding William or holding him captive, nor for that matter one where William has met with an accident which has been covered up. The outside chance is that William was taken by a couple to be their child.

I only wish we knew what happened to William and where he, or in the worse case scenario, his remains are now.

It’s alarming how many people could have potentially seen William after his Abduction & not recognized him. If he is alive, & being held somewhere, traded off for whatever reason, it is possible & not unheard of for other people to see the victim & not recognize them, & equally as possible that the victim doesn’t speak up, if William even still remembers that he is William & out of place with his new family.
I was speaking with a friend recently about children being the subject of abuse & she brought up William, but she could not recall his name or any details surrounding his case, she wasn’t even aware of his current status, whether he had been recovered or not, & more than likely wouldn’t recognize a widely seen photo of the boy unless it was the Spider-Man photo, & that friend is living in Sydney, where I think William would have been publicized the most.


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[Bohemian]

theres also that odd photo of william on the police strategy wall, i wonder about that too, if it was taken from someones computer?

Could have been. I remember that discussion. One of our members contacted SFR about it ages ago and was told that no information would be released about the photo ‘for (yes, you guessed it) operational reasons’ or words to that effect.

 

[Violet77]

theres also that odd photo of william on the police strategy wall, i wonder about that too, if it was taken from someones computer?

I honestly think that that photo was taken to be used in the online search for William, to show what his face could look like in a distorted, webcam version.
I think given the fact that the FF was away for a Skype meeting, shows that he was probably a regular user of Skype, maybe he Skyped the family while at work & this photo is a result of that.


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[purpleandgreen]

Methinks they doth protest too much, soso. With apologies to Shakespeare.

Has Spedding denied that? Or was it AJ's family who have said they are not close and PB said he did not know him?