Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33

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  • #841
There was an article that described Spedding as a convicted pedophile. I think that was Daily Mail but I also think it was more than twelve months ago. But how long does it take for a court case to take place after the action is started? It's possible that Spedding launched the action in time but the hearing couldn't happen immediately because of court backlogs or whatever. But whether he'd get Legal Aid for that--I don't know. I can't see him funding a defamation case himself. On the other hand, if he's seeking an injunction to stop publication/broadcasting (still under defamation law I believe)--if the Victorian case is pending he would have a good argument to forestall future material that might prejudice the jury, but wouldn't sub judice cover that anyway?

This one, published on 3-4 September 2016:

‘Because of the size of the investigation, police have asked detectives from departments surrounding William's hometown and the last place he was seen – Kendall, in northern NSW – to help interview and help narrow down the list, according to The Weekend Australian.

Since William vanished, police have publicly named five persons of interest they have interviewed – including convicted paedophiles William Spedding and Tony Jones, as well as the best friend of William's grandmother, Kim Loweke.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ell-identified-hundreds-persons-interest.html

Eight months over the 12 month statute of limitations and a bit of a long time for it not to be heard in the NSW Supreme Court, unless the action was held over while the NSW matter was being heard. Is that even possible?

I thought suppression wrt the outcome of the NSW matter not prejudicing the Victorian proceedings would have been dealt with by the magistrate at the conclusion of the trial. The sub judice rule would only apply in Victoria wrt to reporting on the outcome of the NSW trial, wouldn’t it?
 
  • #842
This does not have to be about any court case. This could be the girls wanting to tell their story ... through the two publications involved.

That is why I referred to those two lines in the legislation. One party not wanting to be 'embarrassed' and the other party wanting the right to tell the story to the public, and retain freedom of the press (and the victims).

Victims of institutional abuse have told their stories. I wonder how that has been achieved?

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I'm reading some more of the Act you cited and I think you're probably right about this being the applicable law.

I suppose if Spedding was found not guilty and one of the girls is opposed to the publicity, he could argue that both should be free from the embarrassment etc of publicity.

Or, the Local Court could have imposed a suppression or non-publication order and he is bringing an action in the Supreme Court because he considers it was breached. Though would that be listed as 'argument'?
 
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I’m sorry those two women haven’t received justice fir the abuse they were subjected to when they were children. No child should ever be abused and it is never, ever, their fault.
 
  • #845
The specific part of NSW legislation that 'could' allow suppression of publishing further particulars regarding Spedding and the two young girls/now women, as I see it:


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The part that I think could outweigh a suppression request, as I see it:



I could see a court argument over these opposing interests.

Hi SA,

that at first excerpt is interesting in its intention to protect 'parties to an offence' (also witnesses) but the 'parties to' would in my opinion refer to the perpretrator & any aid & abettors etc.

https://elo.legalaid.qld.gov.au/web...al/irregseries/cle/2005/partiestooffences.pdf

so I wonder if someone has done a deal & spilled some beans ... I wonder
 
  • #846
Hi SA,

that at first excerpt is interesting in its intention to protect 'parties to an offence' (also witnesses) but the 'parties to' would in my opinion refer to the perpretrator & any aid & abettors etc.

https://elo.legalaid.qld.gov.au/web...al/irregseries/cle/2005/partiestooffences.pdf

so I wonder if someone has done a deal & spilled some beans ... I wonder

Yes, I think it means any of the involved parties. Whether that be an 'offender' or a 'victim', or any witnesses and anyone else involved.
 
  • #847
Maybe he will actually say where he was at the time William went missing and give solid evidence of where he was, no wishy washy school assembly coffee excuses. Maybe he can explain his deleted call logs ect. He might even explain his relationship with a few of his convicted mates, Hillsley and AJ to start with. I don’t see this as a coincidence. Birds of a feather and all that

I was under the impression Jeffrey John Hillsley was Speddings ex wifes brother, is this not so?
 
  • #848
I was under the impression Jeffrey John Hillsley was Speddings ex wifes brother, is this not so?
Thats correct
 
  • #849
I was under the impression Jeffrey John Hillsley was Speddings ex wifes brother, is this not so?
Yes he is , is it a coincidence , I think not. This man is surrounded by so very many questionable convicted criminals of horrific sex crimes . Not the norm at all, IMO it will all come out
 
  • #850
I was under the impression Jeffrey John Hillsley was Speddings ex wifes brother, is this not so?

The question being, did he know Hillsley first .. then met his ex-wife? Or did he know his ex-wife first, then met (and lived with) Hillsley?
 
  • #851
I’m wondering are the victims related to Spedding somehow. IMO he’s an opportunistic predator- doesn’t necessarily hunt them and actively seek them but if they are there and unprotected - he can’t resist.


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  • #852
I’m wondering are the victims related to Spedding somehow. IMO he’s an opportunistic predator- doesn’t necessarily hunt them and actively seek them but if they are there and unprotected - he can’t resist.


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I think you have hit the nail right on the head. (And, yes, the girl victims are related to Spedding ... imo).


BBM
"They were either visiting, residing or working in the small NSW town of Kendall that day.
They were acting on impulse, they took tremendous risks and they almost certainly made mistakes."

"There may be a misconception that there is a lot that we don't know about this case. I've visited the crime scene multiple times and there is a lot of information that that location tells us," Dr Yule said.
"Combining that with assessing all the leads that have come into the investigation so far, there really are a limited number of possibilities that can account for William's disappearance and from that there are actually a lot of inferences we can draw about what has likely happened and the likely personality of a person or persons who may be involved."

"It does seem that this was an opportunistic crime and when somebody makes that kind of impulsive decision, mistakes are made and it's those kind of mistakes that the investigation is focusing on," Dr Yule (senior criminal analyst working with Strike Force Rosann) said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...illiam-tyrrells-abductor-20150911-gjkqyz.html
 
  • #853
Numerous posts had to be removed this morning.

Please don't bring social media "rumors" to Websleuths. It is a violation of TOS.

If you can't link it, don't post it.
 
  • #854
Interesting, if not terrifying, reading:

Who Would Abduct a Child? Previous Cases Offer Clues

‘After studying hundreds of cases, scientists can provide at least a partial answer. The broad population of child molesters, most of whom do not abduct their victims, is too diverse to fit a single psychological profile, but the far smaller group of those who abduct and keep children for sexual abuse share common traits.

At least 95 percent are men, and they tend to be unmarried and have few friends.

''In general, as everyone suspects, these people are losers,'' said Kenneth V. Lanning, a retired Federal Bureau of Investigations agent in Manassas, Va., who is a consultant for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

''They are the seedier, more unattractive, socially outcast kind of individuals,'' said Dr. David Finkelhor, a professor of sociology at the University of New Hampshire.

Many abductors harbor sexual fantasies that involve children, and may exercise these fantasies by using child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. Many others pick on children only because they may be easier or more convenient, said Mark Hilts, a supervisory special agent for the F.B.I. who specializes in child abductions for the National Center for Analysis of Violent Crime.

''Their preferred partner might be an adult female,'' Mr. Hilts said. But because of their poor social skills, they may not feel comfortable with that. Or they have tried to restrain an older woman but were unsuccessful, so they progress younger until they're finally able to find someone small enough to bring into their vehicle.''

Abductors usually have very little, if any, contact with children in their daily lives.

That distinguishes them from a great majority of child molesters who are able to coerce victims by winning their trust and friendship.

''Why do these particular child molesters abduct?'' Mr. Lanning asked. ''Because they lack the interpersonal skills to attract, befriend and seduce their victims.''

For that reason, they are more likely than other molesters to use guns, knives or other force to commit their crimes.

About 40 percent of the time, abductors who take children for sexual purposes kill the victims, said Dr. Finkelhor, who compiles child abduction statistics for the Justice Department. In 32 percent of the cases, the children are seriously injured.

A fourth of abductor-molesters are sadistic, deriving pleasure from their victims' suffering, according to a study by Dr. Robert A. Prentky, of F&P Associates, a forensic psychology practice in Boston. Eight percent of child molesters over all are considered sadistic.

No statistics exist to show how many abductors are repeat offenders, but based on his observations, Dr. Finkelhor said, he suspects the number is significant.

Socially bereft, sexually fixated on children and willing to use violence, the portrait is clearly incomplete, the experts acknowledge. What makes such men dream up their schemes in the first place? What leads them to be so callous about the welfare of children? Why are they violent? The answers are more likely to be found in the psychological characteristics of individual abductors.

''What motivates these people are their thoughts, their fantasies,'' Dr. Ann W. Burgess, professor of psychiatric nursing at Boston College, said. ''They have it in their heads that they want to have sexual contact with children, and they look for the opportunity to get that. What we aren't so clear on is, Where do these fantasies come from? And now you have to look at the individual person.''

Most abductors are not actually pedophiles, Dr. Prentky said. ''Pedophile is a very technical term,'' he explained. ''And it literally means love of children. Pedophiles choose children not just for sexual gratification, but for social companions, as well. A pedophile would be mortified at the thought that his actions would be harmful to the child.''’
 
  • #855
Despite this "Who Would Abduct A Child" ^^^^ there is also this - by forensic psychiatrist and criminal profiler, Dr Michael Diamond ... who has made public comment on William's case.


"Is it somebody who has access to a child, and thought about it and not done it because their contact is too obvious, and so it has been a rehearsed and lived-in fantasy without the terrible outcome?” Diamond asks."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
 
  • #856
Despite this "Who Would Abduct A Child" ^^^^ there is also this - by forensic psychiatrist and criminal profiler, Dr Michael Diamond ... who has made public comment on William's case.


"Is it somebody who has access to a child, and thought about it and not done it because their contact is too obvious, and so it has been a rehearsed and lived-in fantasy without the terrible outcome?” Diamond asks."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

and Forensic psychologist and former cop Brad Jones

said who ever came into the street came with a particular purpose.............

Once having considered what they were about to do.
* Who might see me?
* How do I prepare for that?
*How do I prevent being identified?
The ability to approach a child without having a child get fearful or scared. That's a skill...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...illiam-part-2/
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...rents-should-feel-guilty-20180304-p4z2s0.html

How do I prevent being identified .....
 
  • #857
and Forensic psychologist and former cop Brad Jones

said who ever came into the street came with a particular purpose.............

Once having considered what they were about to do.
* Who might see me?
* How do I prepare for that?
*How do I prevent being identified?
The ability to approach a child without having a child get fearful or scared. That's a skill...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...illiam-part-2/
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...rents-should-feel-guilty-20180304-p4z2s0.html

How do I prevent being identified .....


I think maybe the perp has been identified ......


BBM
..... when somebody makes that kind of impulsive decision, mistakes are made and it's those kind of mistakes that the investigation is focusing on," Dr Yule (senior criminal analyst working with Strike Force Rosann) said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...illiam-tyrrells-abductor-20150911-gjkqyz.html
 
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  • #859
Yes, Bo. A travesty of justice.
I’m sorry those two women haven’t received justice fir the abuse they were subjected to when they were children. No child should ever be abused and it is never, ever, their fault.
 
  • #860
Just like William was.
I’m wondering are the victims related to Spedding somehow. IMO he’s an opportunistic predator- doesn’t necessarily hunt them and actively seek them but if they are there and unprotected - he can’t resist.


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