Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

[SouthAussie]

.. were more relying on people who are not habitual criminals and not psychopathic killers to come forward.
However, if the person who knows the truth is a sadistic criminal, the chances of a victory of conscience is reduced.

There is an internal struggle your conscience and competing factors like allegiances to the perp.

The more a crime is publicised or the demand for that information is made , the louder the conscience becomes to the point where it just becomes difficult to live with yourself.

I guess it all comes down to conscience.
Jube's believes there are people that know .
How can you live with yourself?

Keeping deep, dark secrets like this can make a person ill.
The anxiety of waiting for the knock on the door, the worry about being charged and jailed as an accomplice or harbouring a criminal/crime, the personal concerns that the person you know - who may have murdered William - could be capable of harming you to keep themselves from being charged.

I wouldn't want to drink one cup of coffee they made me, or close my eyes at night to sleep in the same house as them.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Xanthe's profile has me now searching early reports for that campsite that was discovered near FG in the initial search. They may not necessarily have been waiting for the arrival of the Tyrrell children however the fact that they would be visiting in the coming days was certainly known by a number of people.

For someone to have the freedom to spend hours camped out in the bush they would have to lead a certain lifestyle. I can't see BS having the luxury of time this would require. Now TJ on the other hand...

 

[Bohemian]

.. were more relying on people who are not habitual criminals and not psychopathic killers to come forward.
However, if the person who knows the truth is a sadistic criminal, the chances of a victory of conscience is reduced.

There is an internal struggle your conscience and competing factors like allegiances to the perp.

The more a crime is publicised or the demand for that information is made , the louder the conscience becomes to the point where it just becomes difficult to live with yourself.

I guess it all comes down to conscience.
Jube's believes there are people that know .
How can you live with yourself?

Sadistic criminals would probably go to the grave without admitting their crime.

How would the ‘someone who knows something’ like to have that on their conscience for the rest of their lives, day in, day out, seeing little William’s face in the newspapers or on TV on the 10th, 20th, 30th, 50th anniversary of his disappearance, seeing the suffering of his loved ones played out over and over again, while their own children, perhaps grandchildren, sit adoringly around them?

This little boy, William:

Frozen in time, ripped from play with his sister, never again to feel his parents’ loving arms around him, to feel their kisses, or watch them swell with pride at the man he would one day become.

How could that someone who knows something or, indeed, the person who took William that day, live with this on their conscience for the rest of their lives?

 

[Bohemian]

Xanthe's profile has me now searching early reports for that campsite that was discovered near FG in the initial search. They may not necessarily have been waiting for the arrival of the Tyrrell children however the fact that they would be visiting in the coming days was certainly known by a number of people.

For someone to have the freedom to spend hours camped out in the bush they would have to lead a certain lifestyle. I can't see BS having the luxury of time this would require. Now TJ on the other hand...

I think Jake Cassar reported it briefly but only once. Could have been in the Port News.

 

[sosocurious]

Higher level offenders were proned to boasting about their crimes. Parmegiani said.

Do these higher level offenders boast about all their crimes - or just certain crimes?

 

[SouthAussie]

I still think that whoever took William may have not realised that William was grandma's foster grandson. The family was not supposed to have arrived yet. William may not have been especially close to grandma's house when he was taken (way down by the roadside). The family's vehicle was not at the house, as it had been driven to Lakewood for the Skype meeting.

It is possible that the perp may have just grabbed this little, alone, unknown boy, who no-one seemed to be watching at the time, and no-one else was around, he could have wandered from any of the homes, for all they knew.

 

[Bohemian]

I still think that whoever took William may have not realised that William was grandma's foster grandson. The family was not supposed to have arrived yet. William may not have been especially close to grandma's house when he was taken (way down by the roadside). The family's vehicle was not at the house, as it had been driven to Lakewood for the Skype meeting.

It is possible that the perp may have just grabbed this little, alone, unknown boy, who no-one seemed to be watching at the time, and no-one else was around, he could have wandered from any of the homes, for all they knew.

I think that’s a possibility too. Xanthe’s (and other experts’) opinions are educated but not gospel.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Who’s car is he travelling up there or who’s driving him?
Somehow I doubt he’d own a vehicle capable of making that distance.

Now that's a good point, TGY. Unless it's just more porkies.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think that’s a possibility too. Xanthe’s (and other experts’) opinions are educated but not gospel.

Yes, their educated opinions are based on a presumption that the perp knew who William is. And that just may not be the case at all.

If the POIs did not know who William is, prior to the news of the missing boy reaching their ears, it would explain lots of conflicting stories about phone calls and repair appointments, and a not-solid alibi (apparently), a risk taken that was not considered quite as huge because there would not have been a link between a POI and the family/residence.

This is one of the factors that rank on my list of considerations.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Thanks Bo. I'll look there.

I think Jake Cassar reported it briefly but only once. Could have been in the Port News.

 

[bearbear]

if william is dead due to an accident or from an asthma attack brought on by fear, trauma, i guess that person could shrug that off as it not really being their fault, they didnt actually "kill" him and rationalize it to themselves that its better for everyone not to tell autorities,
but if his death was on purpose, the result of an assault, then i think the person capable of that is cold blooded with no conscience and feels no remorse and moved on taking it to their grave
so was there a bungle with the first responding police that day, did they investigate everyone thoroughly without bias,
what was that gut feeling that first responding female officer had right there at the house?
whoever did this is obviously very cunning and clever, a liar and in denial

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM. Yep, apparently it's OK for BC to be digging around but not the police

I'd like to know if anyone saw him digging around recently. Not accusing as he's been cleared, but just wondering, given his delicate mental state if he imagined all of this. There, that should cover me. Also, I find NC's current stance about it being a waste of time very suspicious.

 

[purpleandgreen]

We were all suspects,” Natalie said.

Well if she was a suspect surely she would've been interviewed, but she now says the police haven't asked her.

What's that old saying? if you want to tell lies you have to have a good memory.

I guess it depends who you choose to believe, if either of them.

At 4.30pm police knocked on Karlie and Brendan’s door.
“They arrested the pair of them. We were all suspects,” Natalie said.
Stunning new revelations about the day William Tyrrell vanished

And she is furious that William's parents Karlie Tyrell and Brendan Collins were treated like criminals - when they have been devastated since hearing he had disappeared.
'Police knocked on their door, handcuffed them and treated them like criminals.
'They were so confused and had no idea what was going on.
'They have been treated so poorly this whole time - everyone forgets it is their son that is gone.'
EXCLUSIVE: 'They WON'T find him': William Tyrell's grandmother slams the police investigation into the missing boy - claiming the new forensic search is 'all for show' ahead of what would have been his seventh birthday

 

[Bohemian]

Twitter
The Daily Telegraph
@dailytelegraph
Abducted, murdered, stolen? What has become of William Tyrrell? Nick Hansen reports from Kendall on one of the state's most perplexing mysteries. (link: http://bit.ly/2JIxp23) bit.ly/2JIxp23

 

[sosocurious]

It is always in your face.
You can't use denial.
It is not my role to betray my brother, husband, father, whoever.
http://bit.ly/2JIxp23) bit.ly/2JIxp23

So are they thinking the person responsible is male, married with a current wife, children and siblings?

 

[SouthAussie]

if william is dead due to an accident or from an asthma attack brought on by fear, trauma, i guess that person could shrug that off as it not really being their fault, they didnt actually "kill" him and rationalize it to themselves that its better for everyone not to tell autorities,
but if his death was on purpose, the result of an assault, then i think the person capable of that is cold blooded with no conscience and feels no remorse and moved on taking it to their grave
so was there a bungle with the first responding police that day, did they investigate everyone thoroughly without bias,
what was that gut feeling that first responding female officer had right there at the house?
whoever did this is obviously very cunning and clever, a liar and in denial

BBM Absolutely. I have never imagined that the perp who ranks highest (possibly, also the perp that ranks 2nd highest) on my list is necessarily a cold blooded killer. But I do think he is an opportunistic pedo. And something happened during or after an assault.

If the perp did intentionally kill little William, it may have been because they felt backed into a corner. People everywhere searching, what to do with the boy, leave him (alive) in the middle of a more-distant forest perhaps, let him fend for himself ... pretty hard for a 3 year old hurt and lost boy to do.
Or do the unimaginable, and now live with that, but still try to stay out of prison.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I recall him disappearing from BS' facebook friend list around that time, too. Interesting.

Now that is interesting. Hope Jubes has had another little chat with him.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Would be interesting to know if he still feels he could come out and say what he believes about Billy Boy.

He would have heard a fair bit of detail about the historical assaults, because he accompanied Margaret to court initially.
I think that would have been hard for any knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke to hear. Perhaps those details influenced his thoughts about his old mate, Spedding.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


Spedding says he can’t talk publicly about William. His lawyers advised him not to around the time he posted a video on YouTube correcting media reports that suggested he was due to make his washing machine repairs on the day William vanished.

He has a local mate, a knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke named Colin Youngberry, who has become his reluctant spokesman.
“I believe what I say and I say what I believe,” Youngberry says. He believes in Spedding. He says when his friend is legally able to make an official statement on William’s disappearance, there will be “fireworks”.
Nocookies
The Australian 12:00AM September 3, 2016

 

[Bohemian]

if william is dead due to an accident or from an asthma attack brought on by fear, trauma, i guess that person could shrug that off as it not really being their fault, they didnt actually "kill" him and rationalize it to themselves that its better for everyone not to tell autorities,
but if his death was on purpose, the result of an assault, then i think the person capable of that is cold blooded with no conscience and feels no remorse and moved on taking it to their grave
so was there a bungle with the first responding police that day, did they investigate everyone thoroughly without bias,
what was that gut feeling that first responding female officer had right there at the house?
whoever did this is obviously very cunning and clever, a liar and in denial

I agree with you about whoever did this being a liar and in denial but as for cunning and clever, maybe not. These types of perpetrators don’t often have very high IQ’s from what I’ve read.
They’re arrogant enough to think they possess superior intelligence and it’s this that is keeping them from being charged. It’s not. They are often just one scientific test or one database match away from jail.

Forensic science is advancing every day, eg:

Stunning DNA breakthrough could help crack cold cases

Tick tock

 

[purpleandgreen]

It is always in your face.
You can't use denial.
It is not my role to betray my brother, husband, father, whoever.
http://bit.ly/2JIxp23) bit.ly/2JIxp23

So are they thinking the person responsible is male, married with a current wife, children and siblings?

Good pick up, soso.