Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

[frogwell]

Yes, when I checked Google Earth for similar, it offered historical satellite shots from 17 Sep 2011, 16 May 2013, 26 Feb 2014, 13 Jan 2016, 11 May 2016, 17 Sep 2016.

Two of the six shots/dates showed cars on the street ..... in the remaining four shots the street was empty.
So, technically, 1/3 of the time (in this small sample) there were cars on the street in random Earth satellite shots.

13 Jan 2016

17 Sep 2016

I wonder if it is a coincidence, that particular spot on Benaroon Drive had work going on there in 2016? Is there anyway we can determine what the work undertaken was at that time?

 

[Bohemian]

It’s like an old cadaver dog learning new tricks eh Bo.
Sleuthing can be fun for the whole family!

There are just so many ways for perps to be caught out these days. Phone pings, CCTV, forensic computer analysis, a tip, cross-matching of database entries, a search, forensic testing, criminologists’ and psychiatrists’ insights, a dogged detective and his team, that I wonder why they even bother to try to cover their tracks. I am amazed by their arrogance or, maybe, deep-seated sense of shame, that leads to them thinking they can continue to deny their crimes, not only to family, friends and associates, but to themselves in many cases.

 

[they'll get you]

I wonder if it is a coincidence, that particular spot on Benaroon Drive had work going on there in 2016? Is there anyway we can determine what the work undertaken was at that time?

Anyone else remember a sales photo of No. 48 with those cars in the background? IIRC they were filtered through the trees.
I think they were the exact cars.

I found one similar but the can’t upload ‘cause it’s too big. (Huh?)

Here it is.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/48-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439

 

[bearbear]

and werent those same cars also parked in the property number 21?
there was a good six maps aerial shot of them

 

[bearbear]

SIX Maps

 

[sleepinoz]

Anyone else remember a sales photo of No. 48 with those cars in the background? IIRC they were filtered through the trees.
I think they were the exact cars.

I found one similar but the can’t upload ‘cause it’s too big. (Huh?)

Here it is.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/48-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439

Consider it a rumor but one of the locals said on SM that it is neighbours car and it was purchased after William went missing.

 

[InFocus]

We haven't seen anything official from the residents ever since the very start of this case.

We have seen MSM comments about how cooperative they are being, which makes me think that police have asked them to not speak to the media about William's case.

Yes that could be true SA. I just thought it was unthinkable not to release such a vital clue as to the car descriptions immediately in those first few weeks of his disappearance. "Tactical reasons", perhaps the cops were confident they'd get a breakthrough, withholding this info for 12 months. It just seems a very strange decision. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I reckon given their time again, the taskforce would do things differently.

 

[they'll get you]

So the cars were there (as per usual) and our cops had to make sure it wasn’t TJ’s white or Kym’s silver/Gray. IMO.

TJ’s vehicle was towed and checked and Kym said her’s was looked over.

It could be in a similar vein of the Ristevski’s Merc.

Process of elimination?

 

[Bohemian]

Yes that could be true SA. I just thought it was unthinkable not to release such a vital clue as to the car descriptions immediately in those first few weeks of his disappearance. "Tactical reasons", perhaps the cops were confident they'd get a breakthrough, withholding this info for 12 months. It just seems a very strange decision. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I reckon given their time again, the taskforce would do things differently.

So the cars were there (as per usual) and our cops had to make sure it wasn’t TJ’s white or Kym’s silver/Gray. IMO.

TJ’s vehicle was towed and checked and Kym said her’s was looked over.

It could be in a similar vein of the Ristevski’s Merc.

Process of elimination?

Yep, depending on the detail FM was able to give, the search for the owners of similar vehicles might have taken some time. There were repeated calls for anyone in the area on the morning William disappeared to contact SFR in order to eliminate themselves from the investigation. Obviously, some people decided not to be so forthcoming and the artist’s rendering of the cars was released to the public to further that end.

Also, at the time William disappeared he was a missing person, presumed lost in the bush. Due to his complicated family history there would have been more than a few lines of inquiry that would have had to have been followed before the cars may have been thought to be of any significance.

20/20 hindsight would be great but Jubes & co are far from the bloody Keystone Cops.

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if it is a coincidence, that particular spot on Benaroon Drive had work going on there in 2016? Is there anyway we can determine what the work undertaken was at that time?

You might be able to check the council website for records. I know someone found the DA or DC for the shed being built at BS’ residence in Bonny Hills listed there. I don’t know if they’d have records for work being done on utilities though.

ETA Port Macquarie-Hastings Council website:

Home - Port Macquarie-Hastings Council

 

[Warshawski]

Your wish is my command, froggy:

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Source:

Saturday Telegraph
16 June 2018
(p. 11)

ETA.

‘POLICE searching for missing boy William Tyrrell have seized a shovel from bushland on the mid-north coast.’

Found in the undergrowth off Benaroon Drive.

Detectives took it and the toy away in large evidence bags on the first day of the search.

Police stressed they were seized out of caution.

More confusing reporting IMO - they start the article by reporting that they are now starting 3rd day of searching. Then they say they wrap up in the afternoon, leaving with a couple of paper bags of items located - Which include a shovel found on day one! Really! So they found it on day 1 but just left it there until end if day 3 when they bagged it up & brought it out ??

 

[Bohemian]

More confusing reporting IMO - they start the article by reporting that they are now starting 3rd day of searching. Then they say they wrap up in the afternoon, leaving with a couple of paper bags of items located - Which include a shovel found on day one! Really! So they found it on day 1 but just left it there until end if day 3 when they bagged it up & brought it out ??

The shovel would have been bagged and taken into evidence as soon as it was ‘seized’. The detectives would have had to transport the shovel and other items for further testing to ensure chain of custody. They obviously did that on Friday.

 

[ParaK]

1:30Bill Spedding: A Current Affair 2017, Short Video

I'm sure I saw discussion on this earlier but why would the media take the time and resources to report on the trial but then not report on the outcome? Assuming it has been blocked. Brings me back to the police and media collaborations on this case? As stated everything possibly related is carefully reported or not reported for a reason. Even if he isn't involved... the smugness and smiles. No embarrassment or fear that everyone knows what he's had to front court for. If innocent you would be saying as such immediately. Just interesting.

 

[Bohemian]

1:30Bill Spedding: A Current Affair 2017, Short Video

I'm sure I saw discussion on this earlier but why would the media take the time and resources to report on the trial but then not report on the outcome? Assuming it has been blocked. Brings me back to the police and media collaborations on this case? As stated everything possibly related is carefully reported or not reported for a reason. Even if he isn't involved... the smugness and smiles. No embarrassment or fear that everyone knows what he's had to front court for. If innocent you would be saying as such immediately. Just interesting.

Only reason I can think of is that there was a suppression order in place so the outcome of the NSW trial wouldn’t jeopardise the Victorian proceedings had the finding been ‘Guilty’. I suppose it still applies to a ‘Not Guilty’ verdict but that wouldn’t make much sense if he has also opted for a judge-only trial in Victoria, would it? Maybe he hasn’t . . . yet.

Yes, the behaviour seems bizarre but, then again, the behaviour of all of the players in William’s case seem bizarre, with a few notable exceptions.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yep, depending on the detail FM was able to give, the search for the owners of similar vehicles might have taken some time. There were repeated calls for anyone in the area on the morning William disappeared to contact SFR in order to eliminate themselves from the investigation. Obviously, some people decided not to be so forthcoming and the artist’s rendering of the cars was released to the public to further that end.

Also, at the time William disappeared he was a missing person, presumed lost in the bush. Due to his complicated family history there would have been more than a few lines of inquiry that would have had to have been followed before the cars may have been thought to be of any significance.

20/20 hindsight would be great but Jubes & co are far from the bloody Keystone Cops.

It is also good to remember that Jubes did not take over the case until February 2015.

Prior to that Fehon was the spokesperson (and perhaps the coordinator of the search for William?) Different people, different methodology, different experiences.

Who knows if a database containing all related info had been started and/or completed before Jubes. Who knows when the info about the cars came to the surface of all those bits of paper, notes, leads, phone calls, tips, notifications.


These same issues trouble veteran homicide detective Gary Jubelin, who took over this case in early February after the retirement of a colleague. Jubelin’s first task was a comprehensive review of the search. “Once I was assured that it was a thorough and professional search then, OK, if he’s not lost, he’s been snatched.” After meticulously investigating William’s immediate and wider family the detectives have ruled them out.
Nocookies The Australian April 18, 2015

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder who’s next in line for a good old dose of Jubes’ ‘pressure’?

 

[Bohemian]

It is also good to remember that Jubes did not take over the case until February 2015.

Prior to that Fehon was the spokesperson (and perhaps the coordinator of the search for William?) Different people, different methodology, different experiences.

Who knows if a database containing all related info had been started and/or completed before Jubes. Who knows when the info about the cars came to the surface of all those bits of paper, notes, leads, phone calls, tips, notifications.


These same issues trouble veteran homicide detective Gary Jubelin, who took over this case in early February after the retirement of a colleague. Jubelin’s first task was a comprehensive review of the search. “Once I was assured that it was a thorough and professional search then, OK, if he’s not lost, he’s been snatched.” After meticulously investigating William’s immediate and wider family the detectives have ruled them out.
Nocookies The Australian April 18, 2015

Exactly. And Hans Rupp was the Homicide detective assigned to William’s case in the first instance. He was the colleague who retired.

Top investigator appointed in search for William Tyrrell

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I wonder who’s next in line for a good old dose of Jubes’ ‘pressure’?

Me please!

 

[Warshawski]

<modsnip: snipped social media and hearsay rumors>

Well, many of us have always suspected that the sighting of the cars was a means to gaining access to similar vehicles that the police wanted to search.

Which, to me, means that those persons with similar vehicles won't be the ones arrested for this crime. Because, if it was them, their defence lawyers would have a field day with subterfuge being used to gain access to their vehicles - if subterfuge, in fact, happened and could be proved.

If those vehicles were not there, then it seems as if the FM may have been assisting the police with the things that they have deemed necessary, to eliminate things/people from their investigation.

<modsnip: snipped social media and hearsay rumors>

Well, many of us have always suspected that the sighting of the cars was a means to gaining access to similar vehicles that the police wanted to search.

Which, to me, means that those persons with similar vehicles won't be the ones arrested for this crime. Because, if it was them, their defence lawyers would have a field day with subterfuge being used to gain access to their vehicles - if subterfuge, in fact, happened and could be proved.

If those vehicles were not there, then it seems as if the FM may have been assisting the police with the things that they have deemed necessary, to eliminate things/people from their investigation.

i hear what you're saying SA, and solid thoughts as usual, however, I personally think FM did see those cars.
A) I think it's highly feasible that as she wracked her mind over the occurances of the day, & any possibilities, they came to her mind - didn't we hear she immediately ran to the command post to report ?
B) I don't think that the Police would have had everything so aligned 1 day in (given they were said to be looking at this stage for a little boy who had perhaps wandered off ) that they would be coaching FM into saying she saw ' cars of interest'.
.............................................

Ok, now I'm 2nd guessing my comments above !

How long after William's disappearance did we hear that FM saw these cars ?

Aaahhh...

 

[Bohemian]

Me please!

Down girl!