Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

[Liora Bentley]

just looking at the aerial view of benaroon drive, if someone was hanging around the cemetary and was drawn to the childrens voices shrieking out in the stillness, it would be easy to hide along the fenceline between 50-48 benaroon drive, and get a clear view of the little side porch where williams family were sitting and then see the others go inside leaving william alone, its the ideal spot, easy to lift a little boy over that fence and carry him up the back through to the cemetary and waiting car and easy to hide a small body in all that undergrowth, this investigation has unearthed all the filthy paedos in the area and all their connections, some made public but most not

Certainly puts a spin on the claims that this couldn't have been a random or crime of opportunity.

 

[deugirtni]

BBM

This is what happened in Alison B-C's case, to prove that she was killed at home then dumped elsewhere...

Can you elaborate as to what you mean? I don't know who Alison B-C is? Thank you!

 

[Warshawski]

Anyone else remember a sales photo of No. 48 with those cars in the background? IIRC they were filtered through the trees.
I think they were the exact cars.

I found one similar but the can’t upload ‘cause it’s too big. (Huh?)

Here it is.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/48-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439

Appreciate TGY - however my questions remain:

'were the cars there on morning / day of William's disappearance? as opposed to at sale or other times..
'were the cars identified?'
'did the owners come forward to the request for 'anyone in the vicinity?'

And I'm pretty sure I don't have to concern myself over any of the above, as this is small fry stuff for Det Jubelin...
He has all this mundane side information proven, detailed, documented, aligned, i's dotted, t's crossed and cross-checked .. IMO.

I see in him a man who is methodical to the enth % . .a man who has a passion for honour in society, who picks his battles, and thereafter battles to the end for justice to prevail.

Rest easy dear William, where ever you are, for justice is about to be served on all those in any way responsible for the pain and suffering caused to you, your most loving family, your friends & your associates.

Truth will prevail, and if I was in the know I'd be Sh+*%| bricks!

 

[Warshawski]

Yes that could be true SA. I just thought it was unthinkable not to release such a vital clue as to the car descriptions immediately in those first few weeks of his disappearance. "Tactical reasons", perhaps the cops were confident they'd get a breakthrough, withholding this info for 12 months. It just seems a very strange decision. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I reckon given their time again, the taskforce would do things differently.

Umm - on the intel we have IF, perhaps so ... However I hedge on the side of caution in thinking as far as 'what we know' being all there is to know.

A 'bird in the bush' ...

 

[Warshawski]

Me please!

You just make me chuckle Cagney you reckon we could share the pressure hon : )

And again a warning to anyone who says 'no laughter allowed' .. Please adhere to the doctoral warning that 'it's the best medicine' and don't even go there please ..

 

[Angeline]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nearly-four-years-on-there-s-still-no-trace-of-missing-boy-william-tyrrell-20180615-p4zln7.html

A lengthy article from the Sydney Morning Herald a few days ago.

 

[Warshawski]

Hey D - and apologies for no quotes as its all gone pear shaped - but will attempt to converse on 2 of your great comments..

Re the idea of Jube being perhaps 'misquoted' - I don't personally feel that to be true. I did listen and was comfortable as I heard, however more importantly than that - this guy took the time to make a statement. .. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't stand for any misquotes

And on the other sad note of Alison B-C . This was another case that touched many hearts (not only in her home town of Brisbane) a victim of domestic abuse by ..... her husband. I'll spare my descriptive comments, in deference to her daughters ..

 

[deugirtni]

Hey D - and apologies for no quotes as its all gone pear shaped - but will attempt to converse on 2 of your great comments..

Re the idea of Jube being perhaps 'misquoted' - I don't personally feel that to be true. I did listen and was comfortable as I heard, however more importantly than that - this guy took the time to make a statement. .. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't stand for any misquotes

And on the other sad note of Alison B-C . This was another case that touched many hearts (not only in her home town of Brisbane) a victim of domestic abuse by ..... her husband. I'll spare my descriptive comments, in deference to her daughters ..

Thanks... could you let me know the real name of Alison so that I can look up the case to see what y'all are talking about? Thanks! Also.. yes, I see that Bo has kindly posted Jube's recording.. and seems he definitely says that.. but.. it just doesn't make sense to me AT ALL.. he talks fast.. is it possible that he left out the word NOT? Have you ever caught yourself when either writing and/or talking, and realize that you said or wrote something that was opposite or just wrong? I have. There could be no downside to knowing what did happen to WT, so that is a bizarre thing for him to have said, don't y'all think? I can't be alone here? jmo.

 

[Violet77]

I really get the feeling that the case is heading down the path of going after a conviction without a body by the was Jubes talks about what they are aiming to achieve during this new search - to prove that William’s disappearance was the result of human intervention -

 

[SouthAussie]

’I'm personally hoping it doesn't get to a coronial investigation because that would be indicative of us finding out what's happened to William.'

The sentence makes sense to me. Yes, it could use the word 'not'. But it still makes sense how it is.

If this goes to a coronial investigation, it means that it is indicative of what they found out about what happened to William. They didn't find out what happened.

 

[SouthAussie]

I really get the feeling that the case is heading down the path of going after a conviction without a body by the was Jubes talks about what they are aiming to achieve during this new search - to prove that William’s disappearance was the result of human intervention -

Me, too.

I feel that they are gathering everything they need to proceed with an arrest anyway. William or no William.

I even feel that this is what the prosecutor has told them he/she needs to proceed with a criminal case. Some kind of proof that William did not meet with misadventure.

It may take a little while after this search for them to process all of the forensic materials and prepare their resulting reports, but then ... boom ... there will be an arrest.

 

[BigT]

Can you elaborate as to what you mean? I don't know who Alison B-C is? Thank you!

From my memory, Allison B C case had forensic evidence gathered of “vegetation” foreign to the location where her body was found, but in abundance at her home.

If you consider a “forensic” search of bush land it could be that anything, even any plant growing, any soil, any deposits of oil or other substance in that area, foreign to that area, may be evidence.

So if someone has been in that bush in the last few years, it will be proven they were there. Even if it’s just a few grains of sand from their shoes or a certain part of the beach.

My guess is LE know who they want to prove was there, because they have already said they have never been there.

Real life CSI type stuff here, someone has to be be getting very nervous. Check the resources being put in, they are not having a guess here, evidence collection is to prove something...

 

[Bohemian]

Me, too.

I feel that they are gathering everything they need to proceed with an arrest anyway. William or no William.

I even feel that this is what the prosecutor has told them he/she needs to proceed with a criminal case. Some kind of proof that William did not meet with misadventure.

It may take a little while after this search for them to process all of the forensic materials and prepare their resulting reports, but then ... boom ... there will be an arrest.

And, if there is an arrest for an indictable offence such as murder, there won’t be an inquest until proceedings are finally determined, including the determination of any appeals:

CORONERS ACT 2009 (Sect 6.5, paras 78 & 79).

 

[Bohemian]

From my memory, Allison B C case had forensic evidence gathered of “vegetation” foreign to the location where her body was found, but in abundance at her home.

If you consider a “forensic” search of bush land it could be that anything, even any plant growing, any soil, any deposits of oil or other substance in that area, foreign to that area, may be evidence.

So if someone has been in that bush in the last few years, it will be proven they were there. Even if it’s just a few grains of sand from their shoes or a certain part of the beach.

My guess is LE know who they want to prove was there, because they have already said they have never been there.

Real life CSI type stuff here, someone has to be be getting very nervous. Check the resources being put in, they are not having a guess here, evidence collection is to prove something...

Such as the crucial evidence in the Graeme Thorne case all those years ago:

Articles - Australian Police Journal | Australian Police Journal

The Locard exchange principle: ‘Every contact leaves a trace.’

Tick tock

 

[bearbear]

But why unidentified cars then in Benaroon Dr., though without driver/passenger at that time? And what, if WT had run to the other side (direction of parked cars) to look out for his FF?
Or I'm imaging wrong, the places you describe?

i mean the fenceline between no 50 and 48, the brown house which was empty that day, at the end of the street and close to cemetary tracks,
from google street view you can see it has a perfect view of that little side porch where they were all sitting, i had always imagined he was taken from the other side by wilsons
maybe the two cars werent there or werent involved?

 

[k-mac]

Thanks... could you let me know the real name of Alison so that I can look up the case to see what y'all are talking about? Thanks! Also.. yes, I see that Bo has kindly posted Jube's recording.. and seems he definitely says that.. but.. it just doesn't make sense to me AT ALL.. he talks fast.. is it possible that he left out the word NOT? Have you ever caught yourself when either writing and/or talking, and realize that you said or wrote something that was opposite or just wrong? I have. There could be no downside to knowing what did happen to WT, so that is a bizarre thing for him to have said, don't y'all think? I can't be alone here? jmo.

Alison baden-clay
watch some updates on you tube to get a quick up to speed .
husband a pompass wannabe nobody who thought he was fooling us all.
a trainwreck you couldn't stop watching!
had a good result
there is a thread here for her.
rip lovely lady

 

[SouthAussie]

Certainly puts a spin on the claims that this couldn't have been a random or crime of opportunity.

Gary Jubelin has felt that this is a crime of opportunity. It is some of the experts that can't seem to come to grips with the fact that this type of crime can happen in such a small window of time.

Gary Jubelin's experience may tell him otherwise. I think if we researched we would find other similar crimes that have happened because the opportunity was there, and someone quickly grabbed that opportunity.

He said: “I would have to say it’s opportunistic and it was a very narrow window of opportunity. We’re only talking about a minute or two when William was not supervised ... Someone has come across William and seen an opportunity and seized on the opportunity.”
‘If you’re in there, you’d better come forward’

 

[bearbear]

Can you elaborate as to what you mean? I don't know who Alison B-C is? Thank you!

alison baden clay, we followed her case here, she was murdered by her husband

 

[Bohemian]

Gary Jubelin has felt that this is a crime of opportunity. It is some of the experts that can't seem to come to grips with the fact that this type of crime can happen in such a small window of time.

Gary Jubelin's experience may tell him otherwise. I think if we researched we would find other similar crimes that have happened because the opportunity was there, and someone quickly grabbed that opportunity.

He said: “I would have to say it’s opportunistic and it was a very narrow window of opportunity. We’re only talking about a minute or two when William was not supervised ... Someone has come across William and seen an opportunity and seized on the opportunity.”
‘If you’re in there, you’d better come forward’

The recent case of the 11 year old girl, snatched from a park on her way to school at Adamstown Heights, who was sexually assaulted and held captive for five hours, comes immediately to mind.

Thankfully, she survived and the perp was arrested after assistance from the public:

Man arrested following alleged sexual assault of 11-year-old girl in Newcastle

 

[deugirtni]

’I'm personally hoping it doesn't get to a coronial investigation because that would be indicative of us finding out what's happened to William.'

The sentence makes sense to me. Yes, it could use the word 'not'. But it still makes sense how it is.

If this goes to a coronial investigation, it means that it is indicative of what they found out about what happened to William. They didn't find out what happened.

But no matter *what* they end up, in the end, finding out about what happened to poor WT, surely it is better to know, than to forever wonder, right? I cannot imagine an esteemed detective such as GJ NOT wanting to know what happened, in fact, isn't that what detectives DO, is find out what exactly happened?

I do believe him when he says he hopes it does NOT get to a coronial investigation, because I believe that LE don't like it when their cases get investigated like that, because it puts everything they've done under scrutiny, and who would like that. There apparently won't be a coroner's inquest as long as there is an investigation ongoing, we've been told that. And GJ says there is lots more investigating to be done. He doesn't want an inquest. But why he wouldn't want to know what happened to this missing toddler, I just cannot imagine. Just my opinion, but I'd be interested to hear why others would believe that GJ doesn't want to know what happened to him, because to me, it just doesn't make any sense at all.