Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #35

[Chloexx]

http://www.laurieton-p.schools.nsw.edu.au/documents/10394794/10401167/Information book March 15 2012.pdf

http://cartwrightps.myauschools.com...40910150905_Newsletter_No_29___10_09_2014.pdf ]

Thanks for sending the links. Do we know which time BS was at? K-2 is at 11:30am and 3-6 is 10:30am.

 

[deugirtni]

I have a certain family member that is not in our life that I sometimes get calls from. To save any drama from anyone else happening to see they are contacting me I always delete their call on my log. Any other call not so much. There has to be a reason I think for deleting call log.

Would you have that same belief if BS was in the personal habit of deleting all of his call logs? Perhaps that is the reason he deleted it. Did he delete a call log, or just a call on the call log? Did he delete his call log only the once, or did he delete it regularly? What if his fingers slipped and accidentally deleted his call log in one fell swoop? We aren't privy to his reasons, nevermind if it is even true. Police have not stated this, only MSM, who has a terrible record of getting info straight, and MSM got it from someone who said they were told. That is actually considered 'hearsay'. But regardless, an open mind could think of possibly many reasons why someone could delete a call log on his cell phone.

 

[deugirtni]

I would not ever say “ pretty simple” I’m sure their are many reasons .

I said that 'for me' it seems pretty simple. Maybe not for you?

 

[Violet77]

Why are they doing that?

If the child was murdered in the bush 4 hours away from there.

Could LE be thinking he’s alive somewhere?

That was my first though, but then I thought about the recent articles about an inquest set to begin this year & how police are scrambling to prepare for it - is this part of that desperate reaching out?

And there's the Western Sydney connection, Violet. The pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together, and billboards covering all bases.

Yes!

 

[deugirtni]

No I don’t and maybe he did not either, hence his POI Status still standing

You know, I've been around for quite awhile, and even before the popularity of cell phones, it has been common knowledge that police can obtain phone provider records. So I'm pretty confident that BS, being the age that he is, would know this too. That is just my opinion, but based on what I believe to be common sense.

 

[JLZ]

Are you serious? The media have picked on every little speck of anything at all they could hear or find or repeat or hear of, if it involves BS. They've had a field day with him. It wasn't like police called up the media and said hey, this guy is sus because he deleted his phone logs. It was BS's own *relative*/friend that told the media that little piece of dandy. Meanwhile, police actually have the wherewithall to obtain actual phone records from the source. They don't need to just go by what appears on a cellphone log. From what I recall, BS was apparently at the cafe around the time in question, and this is backed up, apparently, by bank records. The thing is, there is nothing to prove that it was BS who was actually using his own debit card at that moment. It was some 4 months after the fact that staff at the cafe were asked if he was there at that time, and of course, who would remember? They of course remembered that they had served him in the past, but 4 months later, they sure couldn't vouch for who exactly they served at 10am 4 months ago. And because of this inability to verify alibi with someone other than his own wife, he remains a POI. Same with the school assembly. Four months after the fact, people were being asked (presumably) if they saw BS at a specific time on a specific date. Who would remember? As important as we all like to think that we are, I'm sure there were a LOT of parents/caretakers/grandparents/guardians there at the awards assembly that day, and while BS may remember seeing somone in particular, such as a teacher or principal, those teachers and principal saw a great many people. Unless there was something to specifically stand out in memory to say, YES, I remember it was exactly 10:38am on x date when I saw BS there, then the chance of that being burned in memory is slim to none.
jmo

I'm wondering about that presumption that the cafe people and others were only asked whether they saw BS four months later. BS was interviewed by police very early on and I'm sure they would have asked where he was on 12 September. One would hope they got around to checking that reasonably soon. Even if they didn't, first, 12 September wasn't an ordinary day for local people (just because of William's disappearance), and it's likely the cafe staff would be able to distinguish it in memory from other days, and second, what the waitress (?) said was not that she didn't remember who was in the cafe that day, but that she knew BS and hadn't seen him for a while. So while we can take into consideration that he might have been there and she missed seeing him or she might have seen him and forgotten, what she actually said was that she didn't see him in the cafe on that day.

 

[sosocurious]

You know, I've been around for quite awhile, and even before the popularity of cell phones, it has been common knowledge that police can obtain phone provider records. So I'm pretty confident that BS, being the age that he is, would know this too. That is just my opinion, but based on what I believe to be common sense.

Maybe the phone log wasn't deleted at all. He may purchased have a new handset.
Anyways, the telco records would indicate who called who?

 

[Hbayne]

You know, I've been around for quite awhile, and even before the popularity of cell phones, it has been common knowledge that police can obtain phone provider records. So I'm pretty confident that BS, being the age that he is, would know this too. That is just my opinion, but based on what I believe to be common sense.

You have your opinion and I have mine , slip of the finger to delete a call, can’t buy that. I go off what info we have that’s been reported not a gut feeling of someone having common sense or what you may do.

 

[Hbayne]

I'm wondering about that presumption that the cafe people and others were only asked whether they saw BS four months later. BS was interviewed by police very early on and I'm sure they would have asked where he was on 12 September. One would hope they got around to checking that reasonably soon. Even if they didn't, first, 12 September wasn't an ordinary day for local people (just because of William's disappearance), and it's likely the cafe staff would be able to distinguish it in memory from other days, and second, what the waitress (?) said was not that she didn't remember who was in the cafe that day, but that she knew BS and hadn't seen him for a while. So while we can take into consideration that he might have been there and she missed seeing him or she might have seen him and forgotten, what she actually said was that she didn't see him in the cafe on that day.

I was searching for that link , thank you JLZ , knew I did not imagine it !

 

[Hbayne]

In a time before I started watching a lot of crime shows and finding my interestin all things connected with crime and forensics I probably would have thought a deleted phone record was gone for good. Some might not be as savvy and that could be their undoing. Never presume someone is as smart as you.

 

[deugirtni]

in response yes I am serious

Hbayne said: ↑

If it were meaningless then I don’t see why it would be reported to the media. Only police would know this and report it

Ok, if serious, then how can you state that it was "only police that would know this and report it", when it was clearly stated in MSM, where you are getting your information from, that it was CY, and NOT the police that told them so?

This is the article:

"A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”"
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[iailwa]

My Credit card statements have separate columns. One for Transaction date, another for Processed date, often being different.

Tmar, this is how your credit statements appear, but if the police were interested in them, which they are probably not - but if so - they can breakdown every single little thing. So, i guess you are off the hook

 

[Hbayne]

Hbayne said: ↑

If it were meaningless then I don’t see why it would be reported to the media. Only police would know this and report it

Ok, if serious, then how can you state that it was "only police that would know this and report it", when it was clearly stated in MSM, where you are getting your information from, that it was CY, and NOT the police that told them so?

This is the article:

"A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”"
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I’m kind of over you attacking my every post. I think the answer is there in the article. Police questioned him as to why his call logs were deleted.

 

[Hbayne]

Jeeze, why all the mean beans ? Post and let post please.

 

[iailwa]

I’m kind of over you attacking my every post. I think the answer is there in the article. Police questioned him as to why his call logs were deleted.

it is very curious why he deleted his messages.. wt? Makes my head spin..

 

[Hbayne]

Hbayne said: ↑

If it were meaningless then I don’t see why it would be reported to the media. Only police would know this and report it

Ok, if serious, then how can you state that it was "only police that would know this and report it", when it was clearly stated in MSM, where you are getting your information from, that it was CY, and NOT the police that told them so?

This is the article:

"A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”"
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

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[Hbayne]

it is very curious why he deleted his messages.. wt? Makes my head spin..

Yes it is and obviously he was questioned about it. As Col tells us.

 

[Hbayne]

Hbayne said: ↑

If it were meaningless then I don’t see why it would be reported to the media. Only police would know this and report it

Ok, if serious, then how can you state that it was "only police that would know this and report it", when it was clearly stated in MSM, where you are getting your information from, that it was CY, and NOT the police that told them so?

This is the article:

"A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”"
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Your Qustion is right there in our face and answered I don’t get what you’re saying

 

[deugirtni]

I'm wondering about that presumption that the cafe people and others were only asked whether they saw BS four months later. BS was interviewed by police very early on and I'm sure they would have asked where he was on 12 September. One would hope they got around to checking that reasonably soon. Even if they didn't, first, 12 September wasn't an ordinary day for local people (just because of William's disappearance), and it's likely the cafe staff would be able to distinguish it in memory from other days, and second, what the waitress (?) said was not that she didn't remember who was in the cafe that day, but that she knew BS and hadn't seen him for a while. So while we can take into consideration that he might have been there and she missed seeing him or she might have seen him and forgotten, what she actually said was that she didn't see him in the cafe on that day.

Here is what the newspaper said in January after the raids:
"Police said the raid was just 'one line of inquiry' and part of 'normal police procedure'.

This comes as a friend of Mr Spedding has laid out the detailed alibi he told police when questioned about his whereabouts around 10.30am September 12, when William went missing.

A friend told Daily Mail Australia that Mr Spedding went to his Laurieton office on Bold St on the morning of September 12.

He had received a part needed to fix William's grandmother's washing machine, after attending the Kendall home three days earlier for a quote, and attempted to ring her to make an appointment.

The friend said Mr Spedding then went to go meet his wife for coffee at Buzz Cafe, 140m away from his office on the opposite side of the street. Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.
She told Daily Mail Australia that police had come into the cafe to ask if she recalled seeing Mr Spedding on September 12. 'I've seen him before but I can't remember that specific day,' she told Daily Mail Australia."

From the above writing, the news is saying that once again, CY told them BS was getting coffee at the time... so the news went over to the cafe to ask for themselves, spoke to 'Lisa', who, at that time, said she recognized BS and his wife but hadn't seen them in awhile (she is saying this in January after BS's property had been raided) , and couldn't remember that specific day. Then reportedly, Lisa told the news that police had come to ask if she recalled seeing BS on September 12th. It isn't clear when exactly police had come to ask her this, but in any event, on whichever date it was, at that time, she could not remember the date of September 12th.

While I'm sure it was not an ordinary day for anyone, that does not mean that a cafe manager would remember every person who had come into her cafe on that date, and especially since we don't know on which date police had asked her.
William Spedding claims he had nothing to do with William Tyrell disappearance | Daily Mail Online

 

[deugirtni]

You have your opinion and I have mine , slip of the finger to delete a call, can’t buy that. I go off what info we have that’s been reported not a gut feeling of someone having common sense or what you may do.

I merely gave a few examples of *other* reasons why, if it is even true, BS may have deleted his call logs for that day. Not everything in life needs to be looked at with suspicion of nefarious activity. Some people do things differently than others. I don't care what I may do, and I don't care what you may do, I'm only saying there are various possibilities for how this could happen.