Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[Deleted member 102539]

suspects or persons of interest. a great difference in law

Grandma can't always remember what they are called legally, sorry. All the persons, I have suspicions of (or LE have), are suspects in a not-so-legal meaning.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't believe DI Willing ever mentioned a name.

"Police have said Mr Spedding is not a suspect.

"At the very highest, he is a person of interest but he is not the only person of interest," Superintendent Willing said."

Bones not connected to search for toddler William Tyrrell, but police scour bushland

 

[deugirtni]

No, I can't see it. Supposing the band of reporters leaky, how do they know in the first place? Either they've been told, ultimately by LE, or they've observed it for themselves. If they've been told, the decoy event is neither here nor there. And why would LE tell them, if it was supposed to be secret? If they've observed it, knowing about something else happening in the operation isn't going to prevent leakage--it might well make the knowledge of what they've observed more interesting, a potential coup on what's already a current story.

Sorry, maybe because it's late here, but you've lost me.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Sorry, maybe because it's late here, but you've lost me.

I'm curious, deugirtni, how did you come to hear about and get interested in William's case in America? Did it make the news over there? If so, it's good that word about him is spreading so wide. The more people who are looking for him, the better. Amazing how far reaching WS is!

I think there was another poster from somewhere near you, as well, but haven't heard from her for a while.

 

[deugirtni]

No, I can't see it. Supposing the band of reporters leaky, how do they know in the first place? Either they've been told, ultimately by LE, or they've observed it for themselves. If they've been told, the decoy event is neither here nor there. And why would LE tell them, if it was supposed to be secret? If they've observed it, knowing about something else happening in the operation isn't going to prevent leakage--it might well make the knowledge of what they've observed more interesting, a potential coup on what's already a current story.

Let me take a stab, at the risk that I'm completely missing your point, and if so, I apologize!
GJ makes a BIG to-do, alllllll over the news about this new HUGE search taking place, starting at 'ground zero', and spanning an area 3km.. huge amount of resources, some 50 strong.. scheduled for FOUR weeks (can you imagine the COST??)
Maybe something comes up during that search, maybe not, maybe a tip.. maybe whatever.. maybe in the same area, maybe somewhere different.. but suddenly, they take time out to be diverted to a different area altogether, for 2-3 days.. which is ALSO highly broadcast.. it was reported on here that some of media's 'heaviest hitters' were present at this new location.. cameras were rolling.. we here on WS were thinking something big was about to happen, and likely so was media..
Meanwhile.. maybe that secondary search interlude was just a tactic to have alllllllllll of the media, who didn't want to miss a thing, be AWAY from the *real* place of interest.
Period.
Media wouldn't have presumably been the wiser.. cops would have been able to get their jobs done, whatever it may have been that they were seeking.. there would be no worries about rumours, or having to explain things, or risk that something would slip out in the news at some point then or later on..
Does this not make sense to you? I thought it was pretty brilliant when papertrail mentioned it as a possibility, and well, the general concensus seems to be that GJ is brilliant..
So.. I'm confused about what you're not getting, or not buying, etc. Obviously the less media and people who know about something the police are trying to do secretly, the better. If police are out in public doing searches somewhere, perhaps in a remote-ish area.. and they're trying to be secretive about it for whatever reason.. why NOT use media in the reverse, so to speak?

 

[jamsandwich]

Let me take a stab, at the risk that I'm completely missing your point, and if so, I apologize!
GJ makes a BIG to-do, alllllll over the news about this new HUGE search taking place, starting at 'ground zero', and spanning an area 3km.. huge amount of resources, some 50 strong.. scheduled for FOUR weeks (can you imagine the COST??)
Maybe something comes up during that search, maybe not, maybe a tip.. maybe whatever.. maybe in the same area, maybe somewhere different.. but suddenly, they take time out to be diverted to a different area altogether, for 2-3 days.. which is ALSO highly broadcast.. it was reported on here that some of media's 'heaviest hitters' were present at this new location.. cameras were rolling.. we here on WS were thinking something big was about to happen, and likely so was media..
Meanwhile.. maybe that secondary search interlude was just a tactic to have alllllllllll of the media, who didn't want to miss a thing, be AWAY from the *real* place of interest.
Period.
Media wouldn't have presumably been the wiser.. cops would have been able to get their jobs done, whatever it may have been that they were seeking.. there would be no worries about rumours, or having to explain things, or risk that something would slip out in the news at some point then or later on..
Does this not make sense to you? I thought it was pretty brilliant when papertrail mentioned it as a possibility, and well, the general concensus seems to be that GJ is brilliant..
So.. I'm confused about what you're not getting, or not buying, etc. Obviously the less media and people who know about something, the better. If police are out in public doing searches somewhere, perhaps in a remote-ish area.. and they're trying to be secretive about it for whatever reason.. why NOT use media in the reverse, so to speak?

The thing is with a a police tactic or strategy, it doesn't make complete sense until we find out the target of the tactic (which probably will not come out until it is solved). Maybe he searched the area in Batar Creek because someone is somehow connected to the area. Maybe it was to distract the media. Maybe it was a complete bluff. Whatever the strategy behind it only the police and the individual they keep trying to come forward really knows.

 

[deugirtni]

The thing is with a a police tactic or strategy, it doesn't make complete sense until we find out the target of the tactic (which probably will not come out until it is solved). Maybe he searched the area in Batar Creek because someone is somehow connected to the area. Maybe it was to distract the media. Maybe it was a complete bluff. Whatever the strategy behind it only the police and the individual they keep trying to come forward really knows.

Well sure, of course. I was simply agreeing with another member's suggestion, thinking it was a great thought, and that there could be something to it. Or not. We actually know nothing.

 

[Bohemian]

The thing is with a a police tactic or strategy, it doesn't make complete sense until we find out the target of the tactic (which probably will not come out until it is solved). Maybe he searched the area in Batar Creek because someone is somehow connected to the area. Maybe it was to distract the media. Maybe it was a complete bluff. Whatever the strategy behind it only the police and the individual they keep trying to come forward really knows.

Basically, we and the general public are merely spectators at this stage of the investigation. All will become clear with time.

 

[JLZ]

Let me take a stab, at the risk that I'm completely missing your point, and if so, I apologize!
GJ makes a BIG to-do, alllllll over the news about this new HUGE search taking place, starting at 'ground zero', and spanning an area 3km.. huge amount of resources, some 50 strong.. scheduled for FOUR weeks (can you imagine the COST??)
Maybe something comes up during that search, maybe not, maybe a tip.. maybe whatever.. maybe in the same area, maybe somewhere different.. but suddenly, they take time out to be diverted to a different area altogether, for 2-3 days.. which is ALSO highly broadcast.. it was reported on here that some of media's 'heaviest hitters' were present at this new location.. cameras were rolling.. we here on WS were thinking something big was about to happen, and likely so was media..
Meanwhile.. maybe that secondary search interlude was just a tactic to have alllllllllll of the media, who didn't want to miss a thing, be AWAY from the *real* place of interest.
Period.
Media wouldn't have presumably been the wiser.. cops would have been able to get their jobs done, whatever it may have been that they were seeking.. there would be no worries about rumours, or having to explain things, or risk that something would slip out in the news at some point then or later on..
Does this not make sense to you? I thought it was pretty brilliant when papertrail mentioned it as a possibility, and well, the general concensus seems to be that GJ is brilliant..
So.. I'm confused about what you're not getting, or not buying, etc. Obviously the less media and people who know about something the police are trying to do secretly, the better. If police are out in public doing searches somewhere, perhaps in a remote-ish area.. and they're trying to be secretive about it for whatever reason.. why NOT use media in the reverse, so to speak?

Thank you for the explanation. I see the technique you describe as expensive and not guaranteed to be effective (you never have allllll of the media anywhere, for one thing). If I was in GJ's position and for a sudden unexpected reason wanted to create a 'decoy' like that, I would stop searching in the immediate zone, make announcements, and then move to a distant part of the 3km zone I had already intended to search. However, the media are pretty reliable about not reporting what LE don't want released.

 

[Bohemian]

Thank you for the explanation. I see the technique you describe as expensive and not guaranteed to be effective (you never have allllll of the media anywhere, for one thing). If I was in GJ's position and for a sudden unexpected reason wanted to create a 'decoy' like that, I would stop searching in the immediate zone, make announcements, and then move to a distant part of the 3km zone I had already intended to search. However, the media are pretty reliable about not reporting what LE don't want released.

BBM.

Especially as they’d each want their share of exclusive stories.

 

[Hbayne]

The thing is with a a police tactic or strategy, it doesn't make complete sense until we find out the target of the tactic (which probably will not come out until it is solved). Maybe he searched the area in Batar Creek because someone is somehow connected to the area. Maybe it was to distract the media. Maybe it was a complete bluff. Whatever the strategy behind it only the police and the individual they keep trying to come forward really knows.

Jam you are so on point with your posts; where have you been for 4 years ! Thanks for your contributions, they all make a lot of sense in a nonsensical case.

 

[Hbayne]

Thank you for the explanation. I see the technique you describe as expensive and not guaranteed to be effective (you never have allllll of the media anywhere, for one thing). If I was in GJ's position and for a sudden unexpected reason wanted to create a 'decoy' like that, I would stop searching in the immediate zone, make announcements, and then move to a distant part of the 3km zone I had already intended to search. However, the media are pretty reliable about not reporting what LE don't want released.

Yes and I think in Williams case the media are all on board with no underhand tactics. It’s a little boy and I think they get that and would not jeopardise any investigation.dailymail excluded !

 

[Hbayne]

The daily mail are more likely to comment on the attire of the investigators than anything worthy. Not ties though !

 

[purpleandgreen]

The daily mail are more likely to comment on the attire of the investigators than anything worthy. Not ties though !

Maybe they’re related to the circular pattern in KLs artworks? Stranger things have happened. I wouldn’t be surprised if she knows a lot more than she’s let on.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

In the early days, I really thought it possible, that perhaps somehow, against all odds, a member of the bio family - extended, not parents - had him safely tucked away somewhere.
All those bush searches of late have painted a much more grim ending though. You can almost see the slow-motion footage of LE carrying out a tiny body bag

This is the scenario all of us here on Williams thread need to prepare for Violet. If that is the outcome we need to count on each other for support as it will be devastating and the pain will be far reaching. For some of us our vestment in WS is not shared with family members and we will be left to deal with the grief we feel from the possibility of William passing on our own. I for one am standing up now to offer support to any of our members who may need it if they find themselves plummeting into despair after the discovery of our little guys remains. Together we are stronger

 

[butterstick]

BF doesn’t say where the bush land was that he was searching in CHR. It could have been anywhere. I think some people may jump to the conclusion that it was in the Batar Creek area or the original search site but there is nothing to suggest that is the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know if he meant literally or figuratively that he was searching/digging? Let alone if it was in bushland? Again, correct me if I'm wrong, i might of missed something!

A big part of me thinks the BF couldn't of pulled this off, just based on their lack of judgement/consideration in pretty much all things I've seen. If it was a planned event, I just don't think they have the ability or the self control.

 

[butterstick]

There wasn't many searches of properties done. You sure this wasn't at Dunboggan? Or at BS's house at Bonny Hills??

Am I alone in wishing the whole street opened their doors for the police.

In terms of how to technically pull this off, living close by is such an advantage.

Then again, jumping in a car would be similar.

 

[organised_chaos]

I keep getting stuck on the dogs not smelling WT's scent after the edges of the fenceline. I'm not sure what would keep his scent disguised, and the abductor must have known what he/she was doing to disguise his scent...

 

[deugirtni]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know if he meant literally or figuratively that he was searching/digging? Let alone if it was in bushland? Again, correct me if I'm wrong, i might of missed something!

A big part of me thinks the BF couldn't of pulled this off, just based on their lack of judgement/consideration in pretty much all things I've seen. If it was a planned event, I just don't think they have the ability or the self control.

In regard to the post being replied to, what is 'CHR'?

In BC's own (quoted) words, he seems to indicate that he meant literally:

"The missing boy’s father Brendan Collins gave a powerful message to his son when he spoke to The Daily Telegraphtoday.

“I’ve been out looking for you with a shovel digging in bushland … I know there’s no point,” he told the newspaper."
Toy found in search for William

If BC was digging, who is to automatically assume that it is because he had a hand in WT's demise, rather than that he may be actually trying to find his own son? For what purpose would he kill his own child, one of four? Doesn't make sense, and not sure if his history of being a criminal in and out of jail and involved in drugs taints peoples' perspectives on him to think that therefore he must also be capable of doing something like this? Note: Not referring to you butterstick.

 

[deugirtni]

Thank you for the explanation. I see the technique you describe as expensive and not guaranteed to be effective (you never have allllll of the media anywhere, for one thing). If I was in GJ's position and for a sudden unexpected reason wanted to create a 'decoy' like that, I would stop searching in the immediate zone, make announcements, and then move to a distant part of the 3km zone I had already intended to search. However, the media are pretty reliable about not reporting what LE don't want released.

My purpose in commending papertrail for her original thinking-outside-of-the-box is not to argue, but merely to say that it is a great idea as a possibility. The entire 4-week exercise was hugely expensive.

If there may have been a specific area close to 'ground zero' which may perhaps be obvious to the public/media in regard to the implications involved in searching said specific area, and LE had realized they may have neglected to specifically examine something in the early days, they may have had it on their agenda to complete, but wanted privacy for obvious reasons. Excuse my French, but police can't seem to do *anything* without media all over them.

If they made a big enough deal (which they do seem to have, considering the 'heavy hitters' that were out at the 'new interlude search site'), it would be an interesting gameplan to distract (trick) the media like that. (And even though it may be a 'trick', I'm sure GJ wouldn't need to feel apologetic about it, if it was in the interests of furthering his investigation privately).

Even if there may have been a handful who stuck by the original search site whilst all of their peers flocked on cue to the 'new' one, that handful would be much easier to 'control' and therefore less room for error/word getting out.

Just agreeing with OP and saying it's a possibility, just like everything else in this case.