Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[deugirtni]

Do you think you're remembering the same one as me (#196)? I remember people talking about it and I tried to locate it just by scanning Google Maps of the local area for the street name. I couldn't find it, I had to search for the street name and it was further out than I'd expected.

Did you end up finding the street name? If so, can you remember what it was?

 

[iailwa]

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[jamsandwich]

Long time reader, first time poster. I have a few points that I have after reading some of the posts.

In regards to the FF not breaking their silence in their desperation. Even if they did break their silence, the media would not have been able to report on it. The gag order was on the media also. It is also possible that their daughter is also a foster child. They may have had to remain silent to maintain custody of her. Also, if she is a foster child, her circumstances may be highly secretive, we do not know her past, she may be hidden from her bio parents. We just do not know the circumstances. So I think some of us should give the foster parents a break. Alot came to their defense which is great, but others who say "well if it was me....." need to stop. You do not know the full picture.

In regards to the second site on Batar creek road. The land adjacent to the 800 sqm search area is owned currently by the Batar scouts, this is not the property mentioned in articles regarding an old school building sold back in 2010.

This property also was not searched. It was the 800 sqm property adjacent to it. This property is a a triangle piece of land, very oddly shaped and looks to have been subdivided in 1976 from 425 Batar Creek road. If it was searched it is either public land, or had permission by the current owner. This could be strategic, maybe the property was owned/connected by a particular person in 2014 and the police want to put pressure on them, showing them they know who they are. or maybe a POI was seen there during the search. I do question why they only searched this particular parcel of land. If the POI was seen in the area would they have not searched the whole bushland, the scout property everything. Why just the 800sqm? looking at photos of the search, they stuck to the boundaries as though that property is linked to someone and it is a message.


In regards to other posters regarding opportunity etc. Predators come in all forms, some have suggested that the mentioned suspects have had past crimes against girls. Maybe the intention was both children, maybe they are out to make money providing for a larger disgusting underground community.
The key is that monsters like this get away with it because they carry out crimes where there is no connection whatsoever to the victim. Therefore an abduction where THEY hold no ties whatsoever is really what they are looking for. They have the plan, sometimes for years and then sit and wait for an
opportunity. If it is a group, which it seems it does, questioning the alibi of the most high profile subject is probably a moot point. If it was planned, this POI would be the only very weak connection, therefore they would make sure they had a concrete/true alibi. They would just have other members of the group carry out the planned actions. The alibi is probably true, I just dont think an alibi matters in a crime that is carried out by a group.

Also, the plan that day may have just been to check out the house, see if they can come up with something and oppurtunity presented itself. The cars were parked their for awhile and it was mentioned that William was running back and forth hiding and roaring. That means whoever was there watched him come by the side of the house and back again multiple times before he was taken.

The dogs loosing track at the driveway maybe because he was carried. He also necessarily was not taken near the driveway as he had been riding his bicycle earlier that morning so that trace of him may have been from that morning and not from when/where the exact location he was when abducted.

The idea that the police mentioned for awhile that they believed he was still alive, leads me to believe maybe, they have come across something sinister on the dark web. Just my 2 cents, just an opinion.

 

[Bohemian]

Long time reader, first time poster. I have a few points that I have after reading some of the posts.

In regards to the FF not breaking their silence in their desperation. Even if they did break their silence, the media would not have been able to report on it. The gag order was on the media also. It is also possible that their daughter is also a foster child. They may have had to remain silent to maintain custody of her. Also, if she is a foster child, her circumstances may be highly secretive, we do not know her past, she may be hidden from her bio parents. We just do not know the circumstances. So I think some of us should give the foster parents a break. Alot came to their defense which is great, but others who say "well if it was me....." need to stop. You do not know the full picture.

In regards to the second site on Batar creek road. The land adjacent to the 800 sqm search area is owned currently by the Batar scouts, this is not the property mentioned in articles regarding an old school building sold back in 2010.

This property also was not searched. It was the 800 sqm property adjacent to it. This property is a a triangle piece of land, very oddly shaped and looks to have been subdivided in 1976 from 425 Batar Creek road. If it was searched it is either public land, or had permission by the current owner. This could be strategic, maybe the property was owned/connected by a particular person in 2014 and the police want to put pressure on them, showing them they know who they are. or maybe a POI was seen there during the search. I do question why they only searched this particular parcel of land. If the POI was seen in the area would they have not searched the whole bushland, the scout property everything. Why just the 800sqm? looking at photos of the search, they stuck to the boundaries as though that property is linked to someone and it is a message.


In regards to other posters regarding opportunity etc. Predators come in all forms, some have suggested that the mentioned suspects have had past crimes against girls. Maybe the intention was both children, maybe they are out to make money providing for a larger disgusting underground community.
The key is that monsters like this get away with it because they carry out crimes where there is no connection whatsoever to the victim. Therefore an abduction where THEY hold no ties whatsoever is really what they are looking for. They have the plan, sometimes for years and then sit and wait for an
opportunity. If it is a group, which it seems it does, questioning the alibi of the most high profile subject is probably a moot point. If it was planned, this POI would be the only very weak connection, therefore they would make sure they had an alibi. They would just have other members of the group carry out the planned actions. The alibi is probably true, I just dont think an alibi matters in a crime that is carried out by a group.

The idea that the police mentioned for awhile that they believed he was still alive, leads me to believe maybe, they have come across something sinister on the dark web. Just my 2 cents, just an opinion.

Welcome jamsandwich and thank you for your post. A lot to mull over!

 

[Violet77]

Long time reader, first time poster. I have a few points that I have after reading some of the posts.

In regards to the FF not breaking their silence in their desperation. Even if they did break their silence, the media would not have been able to report on it. The gag order was on the media also. It is also possible that their daughter is also a foster child. They may have had to remain silent to maintain custody of her. Also, if she is a foster child, her circumstances may be highly secretive, we do not know her past, she may be hidden from her bio parents. We just do not know the circumstances. So I think some of us should give the foster parents a break. Alot came to their defense which is great, but others who say "well if it was me....." need to stop. You do not know the full picture.

Hello

We do know that his sister was a foster child at the time of William’s abduction (she is is biological sister) - was because we don’t know her current status, nor is it our business- which is exactly why, as you said, they could/would not publicly speak out.

 

[JLZ]

Did you end up finding the street name? If so, can you remember what it was?

I don't think I'm going to remember the street name. I have a visual memory of the site, mainly top down.

 

[tmar]

Long time reader, first time poster. I have a few points that I have after reading some of the posts.

In regards to the second site on Batar creek road. The land adjacent to the 800 sqm search area is owned currently by the Batar scouts, this is not the property mentioned in articles regarding an old school building sold back in 2010.

This property also was not searched. It was the 800 sqm property adjacent to it

Welcome Jam.
You have given this a lot of thought.
Thanks for your ideas.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if any of the residents that lived in the Benaroon area on that fateful day, had already sold their homes and purchased another home far away, or have since moved to a location a distance away.... and if so, if LE has checked at all into their new location.... covertly of course?

In regard to the posts the other day in which members described situations close to them, where something could have happened within seconds.. I am not above being able to see how this could happen.. it's just that it is SO unlikely to me, that *all* of the circumstances necessary FOR this to have happened that way, could all have been present all at the same time.... (my list a few posts back).. and then on TOP of all of those circumstances, the person who would have happened upon the little guy, would *also* have had to have been of that kind of mind to snatch a child and run with him, which is *also* so unlikely just in itself (at least imho, I don't think most people would do or think that way).

I have had a few kids of my own and one got away from me in a mall at one point for a few very scary minutes, another (or maybe the same one) got away from me at a theme park one time just as we were heading to leave (I was so shook up that my legs literally ached for one full year afterward, with no explanation), and I had a 2 year old that would take off in a *blink* out of our yard before we had a fence installed. And I know these things happen to people all over, every day, but in *most* cases, 'people are good', and nothing bad happens. Or someone was there to prevent a 'badguy' from being successful, etc.

While in this particular case, it's just everything all combined together that makes it seem SO impossible to me. But I do realize that it could still have happened. So imagine if someone who had cause to be in the neighbourhood at the time (a neighbour perhaps, that was moving a few hours away to a country property perhaps?), seized that opportunity and 'just kept driving' (like GJ had mentioned).... for hours, until (he/she/they) reached their destination of a new home base, hours away... set up a new home, in a town where they were not previously known to the residents, and they moved in with a 3 year old child. Perhaps they don't really socialize and have no real family that would have noticed there was a new addition. Nobody would even suspect anything, because the people were new residents to the area, and no one would be the wiser as to whether or not they previously had a child. (Maybe they DID previously have a child that something happened to, and the new child took the other child's identity?)

When the time came, they would have been wise to choose home schooling.. and that child may never have been registered with any school or physician, etc. It's a possibility that could have happened, and we will never know about it, perhaps until WT becomes an adult and realizes what happened? I'm not sure on how much a young mind might remember, from that age?

I can fathom that type of scenario more easily than I can fathom that a sexual predator of 3 year old male toddlers was ALSO on the street that day, and did whatever horrible things, killed him... and not a trace was ever found. I feel like if that type of scenario had happened, they would have found remains by now. GJ has said he believes it was opportunistic, and as such, it's hard to imagine that a person could pull off the 'perfect crime' without any preplanning and not leave a trace of anything.

I can't see it being any of the people who have been talked about on this thread as POIs, because they have all been checked out fully, and I feel like there would have been evidence - DNA or a slipup or *something* by now (imho).

Ramblings... jmo.

 

[papertrail]

NICHOLS lived in Kendall! Also at 5mins 30decs DCI Jubelin confirms the matter has now been referred to the Coroner!
The town at the centre of the William Tyrrell mystery

 

[jamsandwich]

I can fathom that type of scenario more easily than I can fathom that a sexual predator of 3 year old male toddlers was ALSO on the street that day, and did whatever horrible things, killed him... and not a trace was ever found. I feel like if that type of scenario had happened, they would have found remains by now. GJ has said he believes it was opportunistic, and as such, it's hard to imagine that a person could pull off the 'perfect crime' without any preplanning and not leave a trace of anything.

Sadly it is possible. Look at Daniel Morcombe, the guy got away with it for years, everything lined up for him to get away with it, with no planning whatsoever, spur of the moment abduction, he was able to take him in the 3 minutes between two buses passing his bus stop. Cowan only got caught because he confessed, without that he would have gotten away with it till this day.

A SUSPECTED/ACCUSED sexual predator was in the house he was taken only a couple of days beforehand, not saying he was responsible, but a predator being welcomed into a home/community/area unknowingly is not far fetched. As sad as it is, child predators are more common than lonely adults so desperate to raise a child that they would kidnap.

I hope more than anything though that your scenario is correct, I truly hope it someone who was just desperate to raise a child and just went about it the wrong way.

 

[Violet77]

I wonder if any of the residents that lived in the Benaroon area on that fateful day, had already sold their homes and purchased another home far away, or have since moved to a location a distance away.... and if so, if LE has checked at all into their new location.... covertly of course?

In regard to the posts the other day in which members described situations close to them, where something could have happened within seconds.. I am not above being able to see how this could happen.. it's just that it is SO unlikely to me, that *all* of the circumstances necessary FOR this to have happened that way, could all have been present all at the same time.... (my list a few posts back).. and then on TOP of all of those circumstances, the person who would have happened upon the little guy, would *also* have had to have been of that kind of mind to snatch a child and run with him, which is *also* so unlikely just in itself (at least imho, I don't think most people would do or think that way).

I have had a few kids of my own and one got away from me in a mall at one point for a few very scary minutes, another (or maybe the same one) got away from me at a theme park one time just as we were heading to leave (I was so shook up that my legs literally ached for one full year afterward, with no explanation), and I had a 2 year old that would take off in a *blink* out of our yard before we had a fence installed. And I know these things happen to people all over, every day, but in *most* cases, 'people are good', and nothing bad happens. Or someone was there to prevent a 'badguy' from being successful, etc.

While in this particular case, it's just everything all combined together that makes it seem SO impossible to me. But I do realize that it could still have happened. So imagine if someone who had cause to be in the neighbourhood at the time (a neighbour perhaps, that was moving a few hours away to a country property perhaps?), seized that opportunity and 'just kept driving' (like GJ had mentioned).... for hours, until (he/she/they) reached their destination of a new home base, hours away... set up a new home, in a town where they were not previously known to the residents, and they moved in with a 3 year old child. Perhaps they don't really socialize and have no real family that would have noticed there was a new addition. Nobody would even suspect anything, because the people were new residents to the area, and no one would be the wiser as to whether or not they previously had a child. (Maybe they DID previously have a child that something happened to, and the new child took the other child's identity?)

When the time came, they would have been wise to choose home schooling.. and that child may never have been registered with any school or physician, etc. It's a possibility that could have happened, and we will never know about it, perhaps until WT becomes an adult and realizes what happened? I'm not sure on how much a young mind might remember, from that age?

I can fathom that type of scenario more easily than I can fathom that a sexual predator of 3 year old male toddlers was ALSO on the street that day, and did whatever horrible things, killed him... and not a trace was ever found. I feel like if that type of scenario had happened, they would have found remains by now. GJ has said he believes it was opportunistic, and as such, it's hard to imagine that a person could pull off the 'perfect crime' without any preplanning and not leave a trace of anything.

I can't see it being any of the people who have been talked about on this thread as POIs, because they have all been checked out fully, and I feel like there would have been evidence - DNA or a slipup or *something* by now (imho).

Ramblings... jmo.

How bloody amazing would that be, to find William, alive & well, no predators, no assaults, just a loving family! - although he would obviously still have faced the trauma of being snatched by a stranger & adapting to a new life with strangers & his FF & BF have suffered still.
There are people out there that have no idea who William Tyrrell is or what he looks like!

However, I feel that concealing a little boys remains somewhere - probably somewhere in the the immensely large bushlands surrounding the towns connected to Kendall - & no one stumbling across them over the past four years, is a lot easier to believe than a living, growing child is being hidden from all of Australia

 

[papertrail]

is this the property people are trying to locate information about and I have just noticed that GM's name is involved with this property. Its about the property once owned by the Kendall Scouts in Batar Creek Rd.

Council to Kendall's rescue

 

[Chloexx]

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[Chloexx]

Slightly off topic, but do we know where GAPA met? Was it anywhere near the Batar Creek search site? Could it be at the Scouts hall?

 

[jamsandwich]

is this the property people are trying to locate information about and I have just noticed that GM's name is involved with this property. Its about the property once owned by the Kendall Scouts in Batar Creek Rd.

Council to Kendall's rescue

This scout property is on Comboyne Street, not Batar Creek Rd. It was also sold in 2010. The Batar creek Scout property on Batar creek road is still in the name of the scouts, not sold

But anyone associated with the scouts would probably be aware of the Batar creek road site, however again, this Scouts site was not the area searched in the highly publicised search, it was the area right next to it. Unless, the scouts did not give permission for a search, so they went as close as they could, which I highly doubt.

 

[Eloise]

FGM being involved in that adjacent land doesn't surprise me, she was very involved in the local community. Which, imo, gives credence to the idea that this wasn't really a "stranger" abduction per se. More like an acquaintance abduction. I'm sure she would have mentioned the kids to people, and that the kids were going to visit (it was only the day they were arriving that was a surprise), and word could have gotten around.

 

[Bohemian]

This scout property is on Comboyne Street, not Batar Creek Rd. It was also sold in 2010. The Batar creek Scout property on Batar creek road is still in the name of the scouts, not sold

But anyone associated with the scouts would probably be aware of the Batar creek road site, however again, this Scouts site was not the area searched, it was the area right next to it.

Do you know if the subdivision is a vacant piece of land or does it have a structure built on it? I can’t see one on a map.

 

[papertrail]

can someone please point out which area the police concentrated their search on. the map attached is from sixmaps and I have set the parameters to show lot boundaries.

 

[jamsandwich]

Do you know if the subdivision is a vacant piece of land or does it have a structure built on it? I can’t see one on a map.

I do not think it would be big enough for a building, but not sure. Here is the original post I saw the images on

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #35

 

[papertrail]

This scout property is on Comboyne Street, not Batar Creek Rd. It was also sold in 2010. The Batar creek Scout property on Batar creek road is still in the name of the scouts, not sold

But anyone associated with the scouts would probably be aware of the Batar creek road site, however again, this Scouts site was not the area searched in the highly publicised search, it was the area right next to it. Unless, the scouts did not give permission for a search, so they went as close as they could, which I highly doubt.

is it possible for you to look at the map I have just posted above, and point out which property is the scout property on batar creek rd? Thankyou