Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[jamsandwich]

Here is the record of what I believe was the 800m2 search site. It was subdivided in 1976. I am unable to upload images for some reason so will have to do your on search here: NSW Land Registry Services | HLRV



Search property 586796. Before you get excited (i did) C.P Jones is the surveyor, i do not think he is any relation to a suspect with a similar name

 

[jamsandwich]

Ahhh never though of that. Could possibly be.

Thankyou. I think it's the bus shelter that may have been the subliminal focus.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Who was searching for the area, where was some unknown road * (gunrunning) and a dam?

William Tyrrell: Divers called in to search bushland swamp | Photos

Water police from Sydney arrived just after 11am on Wednesday with an inflatable boat that will be used to search waterways inside a bush reserve between Bonny Hills and Lake Cathie.

About midday two divers were seen wearing masks and breathing apparatus as they searched through knee-deep water in a small dam off Long Point Trail in the Queens Lake Conservation Area.

After completing the dam search, the divers were expected to drive further down the dirt trail to search a larger swamp.

Police divers have joined the search for William Tyrrell as it enters the third day in the Queens Lake State Conservation Area.
-.-.-

Police to scour Bonny Hills bushland in search for missing William Tyrell

Police said a tip-off had led them to an area of dense bushland at Bonny Hills, about 20 kilometres from the small town of Kendall where William disappeared in September last year.

A NSW Police spokeswoman said the area police would begin searching was near Houston Mitchell Drive and Long Point Road in Bonny Hills, but she would not divulge the exact location.

Officers are believed to be focusing on an area of dense bushland in the Queens Lake State Forest.

HTH?

* Unfortunately no road with a similar name found.

 

[papertrail]

Here is some pretty mindblowing information regarding attempted abductions in NSW 2013
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[papertrail]

Who was searching for the area, where was some unknown road * (gunrunning) and a dam?

William Tyrrell: Divers called in to search bushland swamp | Photos

Water police from Sydney arrived just after 11am on Wednesday with an inflatable boat that will be used to search waterways inside a bush reserve between Bonny Hills and Lake Cathie.

About midday two divers were seen wearing masks and breathing apparatus as they searched through knee-deep water in a small dam off Long Point Trail in the Queens Lake Conservation Area.

After completing the dam search, the divers were expected to drive further down the dirt trail to search a larger swamp.

Police divers have joined the search for William Tyrrell as it enters the third day in the Queens Lake State Conservation Area.
-.-.-

Police to scour Bonny Hills bushland in search for missing William Tyrell

Police said a tip-off had led them to an area of dense bushland at Bonny Hills, about 20 kilometres from the small town of Kendall where William disappeared in September last year.

A NSW Police spokeswoman said the area police would begin searching was near Houston Mitchell Drive and Long Point Road in Bonny Hills, but she would not divulge the exact location.

Officers are believed to be focusing on an area of dense bushland in the Queens Lake State Forest.

HTH?

* Unfortunately no road with a similar name found.

and Spedding's work vehicle was photographed driving past that search site! From memory it was Daily Telegraph..can't find the link at the moment. AND there was an attempted abduction in Lake Cathie at this time too on 5th March 2015. Young boy walking home from school. Attempt occurred corner of Ocean Drive vehicle facing in southerly direction.

 

[papertrail]

All the children and their coach (in Thailand) have now been rescued What a fabulous outcome!

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

How bloody amazing would that be, to find William, alive & well, no predators, no assaults, just a loving family! - although he would obviously still have faced the trauma of being snatched by a stranger & adapting to a new life with strangers & his FF & BF have suffered still.
There are people out there that have no idea who William Tyrrell is or what he looks like!

However, I feel that concealing a little boys remains somewhere - probably somewhere in the the immensely large bushlands surrounding the towns connected to Kendall - & no one stumbling across them over the past four years, is a lot easier to believe than a living, growing child is being hidden from all of Australia

Hey violet. It would be friggin amazing if that scenario was true. That's what I'm praying for. That William is still safe and well. And I'll never give up hope but I just can't u derstand why SFR haven't found evidence of foul play that leads to an arrest. Sadly I think they know the outcome but lack the evidence

 

[Violet77]

Hey violet. It would be friggin amazing if that scenario was true. That's what I'm praying for. That William is still safe and well. And I'll never give up hope but I just can't u derstand why SFR haven't found evidence of foul play that leads to an arrest. Sadly I think they know the outcome but lack the evidence

In the early days, I really thought it possible, that perhaps somehow, against all odds, a member of the bio family - extended, not parents - had him safely tucked away somewhere.
All those bush searches of late have painted a much more grim ending though. You can almost see the slow-motion footage of LE carrying out a tiny body bag

 

[butterstick]

All the children and their coach (in Thailand) have now been rescued What a fabulous outcome!

I can hardly believe this!! So, so good.

 

[MRichards]

and Spedding's work vehicle was photographed driving past that search site! From memory it was Daily Telegraph..can't find the link at the moment. AND there was an attempted abduction in Lake Cathie at this time too on 5th March 2015. Young boy walking home from school. Attempt occurred corner of Ocean Drive vehicle facing in southerly

'Person of Interest’ Drives Past William Tyrell Search

 

[deugirtni]

Sadly it is possible. Look at Daniel Morcombe, the guy got away with it for years, everything lined up for him to get away with it, with no planning whatsoever, spur of the moment abduction, he was able to take him in the 3 minutes between two buses passing his bus stop. Cowan only got caught because he confessed, without that he would have gotten away with it till this day.

A SUSPECTED/ACCUSED sexual predator was in the house he was taken only a couple of days beforehand, not saying he was responsible, but a predator being welcomed into a home/community/area unknowingly is not far fetched. As sad as it is, child predators are more common than lonely adults so desperate to raise a child that they would kidnap.

I hope more than anything though that your scenario is correct, I truly hope it someone who was just desperate to raise a child and just went about it the wrong way.

Daniel's case is really so much different though. He was out in public, seen by at least some, and remembered. The criminal was also out in public, where it was not likely a weird place to find him, and where many opportunities might just present themselves. Daniel also wasn't of an age that would put abduction-for-raising-a-child on the table, as it is at William's age. Daniel was able and old enough to be out on his own and unsupervised, where the chances of WT being found unsupervised were extremely slim to none. There were likely many routes that could potentially have been taken to make a get-away with Daniel, because of the location, whereas Benaroon is isolated. Daniel's disappearance was not noticed within 5 minutes, allowing him to be virtually *anywhere* by the time concern started being focussed on his whereabouts. In contrast, it seems that so many things were 'tight' in WT's case.

 

[deugirtni]

How bloody amazing would that be, to find William, alive & well, no predators, no assaults, just a loving family! - although he would obviously still have faced the trauma of being snatched by a stranger & adapting to a new life with strangers & his FF & BF have suffered still.
There are people out there that have no idea who William Tyrrell is or what he looks like!

However, I feel that concealing a little boys remains somewhere - probably somewhere in the the immensely large bushlands surrounding the towns connected to Kendall - & no one stumbling across them over the past four years, is a lot easier to believe than a living, growing child is being hidden from all of Australia

If one thinks in terms of perhaps a quiet couple who sticks to themselves, perhaps lives on a 'hobby farm' type of setting.. it's not impossible. Just as it's not impossible that WT was 'plucked', given all of the series of circumstances in place at the time and location. It has been said by many that WT looks JUST like someone's own son, or relative, etc. A different haircut and some growth, and thinning out, and we've got a different boy.

The concealing remains, sure it's probably simple to conceal remains somewhere in bushland, but at any time following the disappearance, it was crazy in the news.. someone would have to do it secretly without ever being seen, as they would surely be suspected and called in.. hikers could have come across remains, as they sometimes do. The criminal would need to keep his mouth shut, and people close to him completely unaware. That whole scenario of being plucked under all of the circumstances in place seems too perfect. So does the other took-him-for-their-own theory.

 

[deugirtni]

FGM being involved in that adjacent land doesn't surprise me, she was very involved in the local community. Which, imo, gives credence to the idea that this wasn't really a "stranger" abduction per se. More like an acquaintance abduction. I'm sure she would have mentioned the kids to people, and that the kids were going to visit (it was only the day they were arriving that was a surprise), and word could have gotten around.

It's not like perps would be lining up to take advantage of FGM's grandkids though, right? There were plenty of children in the little town that were available *every* day. Unless you are talking about someone specifically wanting *that* family's children, in which case, I'm pretty sure the amazing GJ has looked down all those rabbit holes and has cleared the BP. If someone held a grudge, or wanted payback, that type of thing was likely able to be dug up by GJ as well, with all of his resources and intel?

 

[deugirtni]

interesting that the school bus route goes down benaroon drive and batar creek road. At the time of William's abduction was school in or on holidays?

Could it be that an adult on that bus on the morning of William's abduction witnessed him playing in the side and front area of GM's house with his mother or by himself, then decided to come back for a closer look closer to 10.15/10.30am? That adult person would more than likely drive that route every day so knew when they observed William he was not from the area!

https://m.busways.com.au/sites/default/files/school_timetables/St_Joseph's_Primary_School_-_Laurieton_20160712_0825.pdf

I wonder where the bus 'turned around', since turning around at Ellendale would mean 48 Benaroon Drive may not have been within sight. Also, this particular route, which is the only one that mentions Benaroon Drive, only occurs at 3:10pm. Good find though! I wonder if the schedule may have been different on September 12, 2014?

St Joseph's Primary School - Laurieton
Timetable effective from Monday 03 November 2014
Amended 12/07/2016

3:10 PM
Laurieton
West Haven
Lakewood
Herons Creek
STUDENTS TRANSFER TO SCHOOL BUS 5 & 38 AT CAMDEN HAVEN HS
Departs School via (L)Henry Kendall Reserve (R)Ocean Dr (R)Sirius Dr U-Turn at
roundabout and return Sirius Dr (R)Ocean Dr (L)Brotherglen Dr (R)Mountain View Rd (L)Ocean Dr (L)Glen Haven Dr (L)Valley View Rd to Camden Haven High
School.Then via (R)Valley View Dr (R)Glen Haven Dr (L)Ocean Dr, Kendall Rd
(L)Comboyne St (L)Albert St (L)Batar Creek Rd (R)Benaroon Dr to Ellendale Cr turns around & returns Benaroon Dr (R)Batar Creek Rd to approx. 4km past Cedar Loggers La.

 

[deugirtni]

Hey violet. It would be friggin amazing if that scenario was true. That's what I'm praying for. That William is still safe and well. And I'll never give up hope but I just can't u derstand why SFR haven't found evidence of foul play that leads to an arrest. Sadly I think they know the outcome but lack the evidence

It really concerns me when I hear people talking about police 'knowing', but lacking the evidence. They are actually supposed to get evidence, and follow the evidence to wherever it may lead them. Without evidence, that might suggest a reverse scenario, where they have a theory and then seek evidence, which can end up lacking if doing in reverse like that. jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

NICHOLS lived in Kendall! Also at 5mins 30decs DCI Jubelin confirms the matter has now been referred to the Coroner!
The town at the centre of the William Tyrrell mystery

DN apparently did live in Kendall at the time of WT's disappearance. I believe he was 82 years old at the time. I don't have any confidence in him being involved in this. jmo.

 

[iailwa]

@Bohemian @jamsandwich The cops searching the little patch of land at Batar really weirded me out - why not search further in? Then it occurred to me, maybe he didn't spend much time there... if only 5 minutes he couldn't have gone too far. It's a possibility anyway. I think the 'big show' was to rattle him, as well.

 

[iailwa]

It really concerns me when I hear people talking about police 'knowing', but lacking the evidence. They are actually supposed to get evidence, and follow the evidence to wherever it may lead them. Without evidence, that might suggest a reverse scenario, where they have a theory and then seek evidence, which can end up lacking if doing in reverse like that. jmo.

They may have evidence, but not enough for an arrest?

 

[iailwa]

BBM.

The thought that the Batar Creek Road property was a secondary site in relation to it being either a handover or discard location crossed my mind too. No evidence was found as a result of the search however and 4 years down the track from the day of William’s abduction stretches people’s ability to recall a vehicle a little too far for my liking. Which leads me to think that the search in Kendall Forest was an exercise designed to force a reaction from a suspect who was under covert surveillance and to bring fresh witnesses forward. But now I’m just repeating myself

No evidence was found, but perhaps evidence was taken away? But now I’m just repeating myself

 

[gregjrichards]

They may have evidence, but not enough for an arrest?

Tragically there are many cases like this here at Websleuths.